Posted: 10/21/17 at 9:28pm
Just watched on TMC, Brief Encounter, wow. How bout your top ten chick flicks?
Posted: 10/22/17 at 8:52pm
I think all things considered we're trying to not use common phrases rooted in misogyny in the post-Weinstein world.
Posted: 10/22/17 at 10:09pm
Thelma and Louise
An Affair to Remember (original)
Kill Bill
Miss Congeniality
Pride and Prejudice ( Keira Knightly version)
Sense and Sensibility
Love Actually
All About Eve
Bridges of Madison County
The Hours
I know some have a fondness for Wuthering Heights but I've never liked Heathcliffe in the book either.
I wanted to say Casa Blanca And Separate Tables but Casablanca is an everybody movie and Separate Tables just has a real personal connection for me.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 1:14am
FrankieSay said: "I think all things considered we're trying to not use common phrases rooted in misogyny in the post-Weinstein world."
My eyes can’t roll further back into my head right now.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 11:05am
I guess most use "chick flick" for woman or women-driven movies that are heavy on the romance.
With that definition, my top ten might be:
Now, Voyager (the grand dame of "women's pictures"
Persuasion (best Jane Austen movie ever)
Sense and Sensibility (second best Jane Austen movie ever)
Funny Girl (the diva worshiping big musical)
Eight Women (the diva worshiping chamber musical)
Baby Boom (best Keaton chick flick)
The Story of Adele H. (Adjani obsessed)
The Earrings of Madame de... (Darrieux torn between Boyer and De Sica in one of the screen's most lavish and smartest romances)
The Heiress (a Cinderella story unlike any other and perfectly done in every way)
tie: a Hitchcock double feature: Notorious (many chick flicks are about either whores or madonnas, in Notorious, Ingrid Bergman is both and turns that complex on its head) and Rebecca (how can you not love Rebecca?)
hon. mention: The Red Shoes, Private Benjamin, Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau), Mildred Pierce, An Unmarried Woman, Waterloo Bridge, Romancing the Stone, Bridesmaids, and Brief Encounter
Updated On: 10/23/17 at 11:05 AM
Posted: 10/23/17 at 11:44am
A chick flick is a movie made primarily for a female audience. So Kill Bill, for instance, is not a chick flick.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 1:05pm
Not a definition that many of the listed titles fits in.
I guess The Exorcist is a chick flick?
Posted: 10/23/17 at 1:10pm
FrankieSay said: "Not a definition that many of the listed titles fits in.
I guess The Exorcist is a chick flick?"
The Exorcist, A chick flick? Don't make me laugh. it's a classic horror film pure and simple. An example of a chick flick would be something along the lines of Dirty Dancing. Or any movie adaptation of a Nicholas Spark's novels.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 2:37pm
The term "chick flick" is mainly used as a pejorative - reserved for trashy schmaltz which supposedly all feeble-brained womenfolk must adore, so I don't see why suggesting that it could be misogynist would merit an eyeroll.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 3:05pm
Thank you. Well said.
Consider the source(s).
Posted: 10/23/17 at 4:05pm
Ok
Updated On: 10/23/17 at 04:05 PM
Posted: 10/23/17 at 4:43pm
I don't see it as misogynistic. There are definite "guy movies" as well, we just don't have a clever term for them because there's no word for "movie" that rhymes with "dude," or whatever.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 4:57pm
What about "Beaches", "The Way We Were" and the original "Stella Dallas" with Barbara Stanwyck?...
Posted: 10/23/17 at 5:07pm
The Irish writer Marian Keyes said this :
"This is very much a patriarchal society. And I think one way of keeping women less well paid and having to do more work is to mock them and anything they love," Keyes continued. And it's certainly true that forms of entertainment that are coded as more traditionally masculine are usually not given the same dismissive attitude as those coded as "for women."
Look at the way our culture treats, say, sports versus fashion. Or action movies versus romantic comedies. And in the world of books, there are plenty of examples as to how books by, about, and for women are belittled, from the number of awards they win to the design of their covers. And it's all part of a larger system of devaluing things that appeal more often to women, in in doing so devaluing women.
"It’s a simple fact that one way of keeping women shut up is to call the things they love ‘fluff’. It’s a device. And I think people probably aren’t even aware that’s what’s going on, but it’s absolutely innate in our society that anything pertaining to women will be treated with less respect and given disrespectful names.”
So what can we do about it? Well, one thing might be to stop using terms like "chick lit" or "chick flick," or at least not use them in a derogatory sense."
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Posted: 10/23/17 at 5:25pm
That said, I don't mean to be all "sjw" or "snowflake" or "virtue signal" about it, or to rain on a fun thread about movies. I'm just talking is all.
There is such a broad range of movies listed in this thread, and given the loose definition, who can pick ten favorites?
I guess Steel Magnolias, 9 To 5, Pretty Woman would be three.
Updated On: 10/23/17 at 05:25 PM
Posted: 10/23/17 at 6:24pm
It was one of those movies where the symphony music continued during the dialogue.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 6:31pm
"I guess most use "chick flick" for woman or women-driven movies that are heavy on the romance."
Yes! I couldn't keep my eyes off the woman, maybe that's why I lasted this time, what eyes.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 6:33pm
There's no misogyny in simply identifying a movie as a "chick flick," i.e. one that's markedly meant to appeal to women and or is marketed to a primarily female audience.
There is a great deal of misogyny in mocking a movie solely because it is markedly meant to appeal to women.
As an obvious admirer of such films, South Florida was clearly not mocking them because they are meant to appeal to women.
Updated On: 10/23/17 at 06:33 PM
Posted: 10/23/17 at 6:46pm
Meant no harm by chick flick. I enjoyed that movie, much like some of the ones listed.
Posted: 10/23/17 at 6:52pm
Awright, Funny Girl may be the best movie musical ever, it's more than a chick flick.
Posted: 10/24/17 at 2:35am
So chick flicks that guys like are "more than chick flicks".
There are definite "guy movies" as well
And they are called movies.
I appreciate your posts Jay. They're not SJW or virtue signal or any other pejorative used to make fun of people who want to look at little deeper at commonly accepted truisms. I mean, if THIS week isn't the week to talk about the way modern culture devalues women, I don't know what is. I found your Marian Keyes post enlightening.
Ruhl quick: How many of the posters in this thread who are sure there's not a scintilla of misogyny in the term "chick flick" identify as male?
Posted: 10/24/17 at 11:35am
I have just as much contempt for bad guy movies as I do for bad chick flicks.
Posted: 10/24/17 at 1:54pm
I've spent all morning thinking about this question: what measure is a "chick flick?" My immediate thought is this: a women's interest film, or a film that appeals primarily to women, may not necessarily be a chick flick. There's an element of crassness, of pandering, that goes into chick flicks or chick lit.
Someone previously stated that "chick flick" seems dismissive, as if it's saying "all those dumb women are all alike, and they like that garbage." The way I see it, a chick flick is something MADE from that perspective. "If we do this, and that, and have women doing THIS in the commercial, all those dumb broads will come see the film." It's why Legally Blonde 2 feels like a chick flick even when the first one doesn't necessarily do so- the pandering feeling.
Posted: 10/24/17 at 5:16pm
I mean there are some important points here and Jay, thank you for your post above.
I am am conflicted because I can’t help but feel sometimes that the modern SJW movement goes against everything modern psychology suggests to do when dealing with negative emotions. Our modern models do suggest that certain words, ideas or behaviours (such as cultural Halloween costumes) might cause emotional dress if the person interpreting these signals holds ideas about what they mean (in today’s oppression olympics probably thoughts around it being oppressive, dehumanising, or devaluing their identity).
I think we can be a little bit more careful about when or when not we can conclude certain language, emotions and ideas do indeed have such outcomes. For the most part, we are a bunch of gay men and women on a musical forum. I think you can probably safely assume that the context in which chick flick is used here is simply descriptive - or perhaps even in a positive sense - than you might see it used in a group of hyper masculine young men.
Context matters.
Updated On: 10/24/17 at 05:16 PM
Posted: 10/24/17 at 6:30pm
hork said: "A chick flick is a movie made primarily for a female audience. So Kill Bill, for instance, is not a chick flick."
Umm no can't agree. Sure in the 40's 50's there was a genre of films usually called "women's weepies" Many of the films mentioned like Now,Voyager and Stella Dallas fall into this category but often went well beyond the parameters of something like A Letter to Three Wives and The Women and became classics in their own right. Mildred Pierce is really a film noir to me but it sure meets the women's weepies requirements too.
Kill Bill while undoubtedly a vengeance film is also about a mother reuniting w her child.
The fact that mens might like a film doesn't mean it must stop being "just" a chick flick, like Peirce it can have a foot in both camps.
