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Bill O'Reilly Obsessed with Dumbledore Being Gay

Sorry to start another thread, but I didn't want to poison the excellent Harry Potter discussion in the original thread by bringing in Bill O'Reilly's homophobia, which is fascinating on its own.

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First, from the October 22 edition of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: J.K. Rowling, the author of all those Potter books says that Headmaster Albus Dumbledore is gay. Does that mean anything to anybody? No?

HILL: What does it matter?

O'REILLY: I don't know. She made that reply at New York's Carnegie Hall, and the audience was stunned into silence by the revelation.

HILL: But that's sort of out there.

O'REILLY: Is it?

HILL: Yeah. Dumbledore --

O'REILLY: Did you know Albus Dumbledore was gay?

HILL: Well, no, but --

O'REILLY: Well, apparently there's a picture of him in Key West with three guys. I don't know. I don't even know who Albus Dumbledore is because I don't read these dopey books.

HILL: They're not dopey. They're very good books. But what does that have to do with anything?

O'REILLY: I don't know.

HILL: They're coming out and saying --

O'REILLY: What are you asking me for? See -- have you read these books?

HILL: Because you know everything.

O'REILLY: Thank you.

HILL: Of course I've read 'em.

O'REILLY: OK. Did you know Albus Dumbledore was gay?

HILL: I didn't know that.

O'REILLY: Well, then, are you stunned into silence by knowing it now?

HILL: I still couldn't care less.

O'REILLY: OK, he's gay --

HILL: OK.

O'REILLY: Albus Dumbledore -- just in case. It doesn't make him a bad person as Seinfeld says, but apparently that's big news.

HILL: The Carnegie audience.

O'REILLY: All right. The Red Sox are going to the World Series. I predicted that they would come back, and they have.

Then, from the October 23 edition of The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: OK, tonight on the Factor, we're gonna get into this topic that we're talking about on the radio a little bit. We're also gonna tell you about Harry Potter and the gay agenda. Apparently that's goin' on.


Updated On: 10/26/07 at 11:17 AM

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The again, from the October 23 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: "Personal Story" segment tonight: Perhaps the most successful book series in the world is Harry Potter, who battles wizards and the occult, stuff like that. Author J.K. Rowling has sold an incredible 350 million books worldwide with seven Potter volumes.

Now reports say Miss Rowling has outed -- one of her characters is gay, which is causing some concern. With us now to analyze: Tina Jordan, senior editor at Entertainment Weekly.

Dumbledore -- I don't know anything about this Potter stuff, so, you know, you can kick my butt here if you want to.

JORDAN: I'll kick your butt. You're the last person in America not to read the books, I bet.

O'REILLY: Listen, I have a lot to read and Dumbledore and all of this. But here's what I don't understand, because I did study up on the story. If J.K. Rowling wanted to make the character gay, why didn't he just make the character gay -- she just make the character gay rather than going to Carnegie Hall in New York -- and you were in the audience --

JORDAN: Yes, I was.

O'REILLY: -- and announcing that he's gay. I don't know -- I don't get the strategy. Is it just publicity?

JORDAN: I don't think it's publicity. And first of all, I can't speak for her because I didn't talk to her about this, but she made several things very clear. And he's -- the fact that he was gay, giving that away in an early volume might possibly have compromised a later plot point.

O'REILLY: OK, but here's what I'm talking about. Why have a gathering of Potter aficionados and then drop the gay bomb on them? Why do that?

JORDAN: Somebody asked the question. She answered the question.

O'REILLY: The question was: Is Dumbledore gay?

JORDAN: No. The question was along the lines of: Did Dumbledore ever find true love? I'm paraphrasing.

O'REILLY: True love.

JORDAN: Yeah.

O'REILLY: Well, she could have said no or yes. She didn't have to say he's, you know, got a condo in Key West. You know what I mean?

JORDAN: Well, that's true, but --

O'REILLY: You know, why did she do it? She did it to provoke. I think this is a provocateur. This woman's a provocateur.

JORDAN: Well, she's a very smart woman.

O'REILLY: I think she's a provocateur.

JORDAN: But let me say this. One thing she did say on Friday night was that the books were a prolonged plea for tolerance. And that's a direct quote.

O'REILLY: OK, and that's a good thing, right?

JORDAN: Right.

O'REILLY: Now, many parents are worried in America about the gay agenda and indoctrination of their children to see homosexuality in a certain way. That debate is raging all over the country. This now becomes part of that debate, does it not?

JORDAN: But aren't those parents the same parents who are refusing to let their children read these books for other reasons?

O'REILLY: I don't know if there's -- yeah, there are parents who don't want the wizards and witches and the occult stuff.

JORDAN: That's right.

O'REILLY: I don't know if they're the same. I think that's a narrow focus group whereas I think the gay indoctrination thing is broader. So, I think that, here now, there is even more controversy in these books because of this statement that Miss Rowling made.

JORDAN: But I think that's a shallow argument. I think that kids are being brought up by and large today to tolerate. I think that, by and large, parents do preach acceptance to their kids, you know.

O'REILLY: In some areas, they do. They don't want indoctrination, though, and I understand that.

JORDAN: But indoctrination's a very strong word. Listen, we all know gay people whether we know it or not.

O'REILLY: Yeah, but do you want your 7-year-old to have a book called Heather Has Two Mommies, and a lot of American parents do not. But anyway, this book -- this is aimed at adolescents, right?

JORDAN: Right.

O'REILLY: Now, Dumbledore is not overtly gay in the book, right?

JORDAN: Absolutely not.

O'REILLY: So, you wouldn't know whether he was gay or not.

JORDAN: And in fact, you don't know anything about the sex lives --

O'REILLY: Of any of them.

JORDAN: -- of any of the teachers. No.

O'REILLY: Although those wizards, I'm very suspicious about what they're doing in their spare time.

JORDAN: Well, they are magic you know.

O'REILLY: So, I think, this is my conclusion is that J.K. Rowling is a provocateur, did it on purpose, and now is just going to let all hell break loose.

Last word?

JORDAN: I think that if she makes people think, if she makes -- if you realize that there are gay people out there, we all know them, you know --

O'REILLY: And now we know another one.

JORDAN: It doesn't make a difference.

O'REILLY: And now we know another one: Dumbledore. Thank you for coming in, Miss Jordan.
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And finally, from the October 24 edition of The O'Reilly Factor with Dennis Miller:

MILLER: No, I shouldn't be surprised that Dumbledore was gay. I noticed how his wand seemed to shake every time the fairies came around.

But the simple fact is, I don't need to know that Dumbledore is gay. I'm bored with people's sexuality. I could care less about anybody's sexuality, all right? I don't care if Huck Finn was a he-she. I dug the book.

I don't like Atticus Finch 'cause he was straight; I like him 'cause he was straight-laced.

O'REILLY: All right, but here's the issue.

MILLER: And, you know, I guess --

O'REILLY: Here's -- you can talk about this on your radio show tomorrow. There are millions of Americans who feel that the media and the educational system is trying to indoctrinate their children to a certain way of life, and that includes parity for homosexuals with heterosexuals.

And that's what this Rowling thing is all about, because she sells so many books. So many kids read it, that she comes out and says, "Oh, Dumbledore is gay, and that's great." And this -- it's another in the indoctrination thing. That's what the belief system is among some Americans.

MILLER: I'll be honest with you. I don't think you can indoctrinate a kid into being gay. You might indoctrinate him into trying it once and him going, "I guess I'm not gay."

[crosstalk]

O'REILLY: No, but tolerance. It's -- you know, he's not going to be gay, but it's tolerance of it.

MILLER: Good.

O'REILLY: And religious people say, "We don't" -- you know.

MILLER: All right, I got to go with that. We've been intolerant long enough. I've got to go with that. And you know something? I think most kids look at stuff like this, and they go, "I could care less if Dumbledore is gay. I'm trying to enjoy the book here."

This is J.K. Rowling. If she had been this predictable and this tedious in writing the books as she was in this revelation, we wouldn't know her name, much less her initials.

O'REILLY: All right, so I agree with you that kids don't care whether Dumbledore is gay. They just want to read the book, 'cause it's a fun book. And leave that out of it! Correct?

MILLER: All right. There you go, Billy. That's my feeling.

O'REILLY: Dennis Miller, everybody.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

not to defend bill, but this story is everywhere. a quick google search shows no less than 160 news stories in the last 36 hours. the guy has a current events show and this is a current event that is reasonably relevant to everyone who's read the books. which seems to be just about all of america, except o'reilly, me and a clan of evangelicals in the mountains of west virginia who believe that the written word is the devil's work. i think he'd be an idiot not to talk about it, especially since it's just the kinda issue that his viewership will be all over owing to the gay agenda angle.

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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

He just wants Richard Harris with a falafel.
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O'Reilly just wants ratings bcause as papa pointed out it's a current event that is very relevant and is one of the hot topics at the moment. I think he'd be an idiot not to talk about it as well even though he's point of view is skewed.
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Personally, I felt the revelation by Rowling about Dumbledore was a little disingenuous (or maybe just cynical), but when there are people on tv who take still use phrases like "the gay agenda" it reminds me that a good portion of this country still thinks we're second-class citizens.

And it's very telling that O'Reilly isn't even concerned this will make kids gay, but it will make them tolerant of gay people. God forbid that a little youthful homophobia is snuffed before it becomes full-blown bigotry and hatred.

I'm so sick of all this bullsh*t. Seriously.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

"I don't read these dopey books."

And he knows they're 'dopey' how?

I think his discussion is right on target, and gets to the heart of why Rowling did what she did.

I hope it gives him gas.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

Will O'Reilly just hurry up and have his stroke already?

Overly nasty, perhaps. But he doesn't want me to exist, so I'm happy to return the favor.
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mmmmmm falafels.

and lol @ "I hope it gives him gas"


and really it was a current even like 10 days ago when she announced it. Now its just old news. To me this isn't news anymore than anything involving Lindsay Lohan/SH*Tney Spears/Parasite Hilton
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

Please let it kill him...cause I couldn't handle him showing up with half-slack early 80's Bette Davis face...which you KNOW he would do.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

OK, robbie, you just made me feel much better! bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

I don't know if there's -- yeah, there are parents who don't want the wizards and witches and the occult stuff. I don't know if they're the same. I think that's a narrow focus group whereas I think the gay indoctrination thing is broader.

And they ARE largely the same. It just shows how out of touch with his target audience that he is.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

I guess the curious part for me is how O'Reilly comes across as struggling to find a position. I only read the transcripts above (I refuse to watch him) so it's hard to tell how he actually came across in person, but he's usually pretty black and white in his opinions and seems less so here.

I'm not a big Dennis Miller fan, either, but I liked his statement, "I don't think you can indoctrinate a kid into being gay. You might indoctrinate him into trying it once and him going, "I guess I'm not gay." " As long as rational statements like that find their way into these discussions there might just be some hope of some lights turning on!
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

I like how between his conversation on the 22nd and the one with miller on the 23rd the books went from dopey to fun. This guy is such a douchebag that he can't even keep simple **** like that consistent, let alone actual facts.
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

I like how the correspondents make him sound really stupid for even making an issue out of this.

Okay, wtf are you people talking about? ROWLING HAS NO AGENDA. Someone asked her a question, she answered. It's not like she called a press conference or released a statement. The Harry Potter books are colorblind and gender blind, why does she need to make homosexuality an issue?

I honestly think she's inadvertedly made her books important in a way they weren't before. The message suddenly has real world applications because it's very clear that there are many people as intolerant and ignorant as ever. Dumbledore was the moral centerpoint of the universe--how could the most upstanding citizen of their world be, *gasp*, gay?! Maybe people should be paying more attention to the text.

It has no bearing on the plot. It's just a point of interest and another color to the story. People just don't like being reminded of how bigoted they are so they freak out.

Doesn't Bill O'Reilly do a call in show?
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The books also send a message that you have to be gay to be head master.
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I feel sorry for O'Reilly. It really is a hot topic right now and his job demands that he comment on it.

The problem is that he has to comment on something that he knows nothing about.

He knows nothing about it because he's never read any of the books.

He hasn't read them because he knows he risks being indoctrinated into the gay lifestyle if he does,

The poor guy can't win! bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay


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Can someone explain to me how making Dumbledore gay will indoctrinate someone into an orientation that they weren't born with?
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He even botched the Seinfeld quote. A quasi-famous catchphrase, and he can't even get it right.

Hey, I think I just figured out the identity of a certain transcendentalist name-stealer!
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bill o'reilly obsessed with dumbledore being gay

I'm not sure but all I know is after I read them I went out and bought a wand (holly oak and lepricaun pubic hair) and the damn thing sure as hell don't work. I was hoping to be indoctrinated to the wizard lifestyle.
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I love how O'Reilly's biggest concern with the issue is the "indoctrination" of children (which would never have come up if Rowling hadn't been asked the question, so how can she be accused of "indoctrination" at such a late stage?), which is EXACTLY what the Christian fundamentalists are trying to do. The difference is, they attempt to indoctrine children with hatred, bigotry, ignorance and intolerance.

I can definitely see why O'Reilly brought it up, but why so many times only to repeat the same angle? He could have at least spun it somehow so that it didn't appear to be so monotonous. At least the reponses among the guests were varied. O'Reilly just comes across as a broken record. Not that it's all that surprising, but it just highlights his enormous lack of journalistic skills. Might as well call him Rush O'Reilly.
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