Brokeback Mountain / X-Men movies- Page 2

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:39pm

http://www.heathledger.net/_gallery/categories.php?cat_id=234&page=5

don't say it. just don't. i just can't let a "where is that" go without googling.

[ALittleNorthofKansas]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:39pm

If I remember the pictures correctly. It looks like he had perhaps been in the cold water for a take or two before the shot was taken. I don't recall being overly awed.

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:40pm

Papa I am saying nothing. Except for some reason I can't enlarge those images (pun intended) so I still can't see them properly.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:45pm

pop, if you register.. takes two seconds.. you can. I did.. and I can...

[robbiej]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:51pm

my my my my my my my

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:52pm

Looking at it, it's a shot that was in a magazine over here a while back anyway. And yes, cold water is definitely the reason for his package not looking so great. Has to be. I have seen a few shots of his clothed package that were quite eyepopping.

[Bobby457]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 12:54pm

Thanks Papa.....You've made alot of gay boys happy!

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:05pm

I WOULD imagine it to be chilly there regarless.. just look at him tromping around in long sleeves and a jacket....



BAD body double for Jakey.

[broadway86]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:08pm

I was a fan of Ang Lee's... until I saw "The Hulk"...

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:11pm

So no one needs another link? Because I have the pics on my computer if anyone wants them....

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:13pm

I never understood the hate towards the Hulk. As a action/comic book movie, I thought it was pretty well-done...especially compared to the first Spiderman, Daredevil, and both X-Men. I liked that at least Ang Lee tried to put some sort of realism in it and complicate things a bit rather than doing something like over simplifying things. Like in X-Men with the way they just have anybody who thinks mutants should be registered or kept in checkis evil despite the fact that they are potentially dangerous.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:20pm

I dunno, I rather enjoyed the X-Men films. They played up the civil rights angle very well. Yeah, it wasn't very subtle, but it drove the point home.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:21pm

I enjoy the X-Men films as well.

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:25pm

Wow VIETgirl. That totally simplified the X Men movies and you compared Hulk, one of the dullest, poorly acted and ludicrous movies (comc book or no) to those other infinitely superior movies and say Hulk is fine? Wow.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:28pm

were you comparing the 1st spiderman derogatorily to the hulk? to the hulk? i love eric bana, jennifer connelly and nick nolte, but please.

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 1:49pm

I know I overly simplified the X-Men movies, but I can't help it when they over simplify the Civil Rights issue. I just couldn't take the story seriously while I was watching it. I thought the second Spiderman was really good, but the first was one was really poorly done IMO.

I guess I just have a different opinion than the majority of people regarding the Hulk. I heard all the criticism of it, and my opinion still stands. I mean the movie is a lot more understated than the other ones, which to some people would make it dull.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 2:54pm

I know I overly simplified the X-Men movies, but I can't help it when they over simplify the Civil Rights issue.

Yes, it was a simplification of a civil rights movements, but don't forget it's an action movie. We should be thrilled it had a Civil Rights angle at all. And an underlying gay civil rights message as well (how can one forget Bobby/Iceman's "coming out" scene from X2: "Have you ever tried not being a mutant?"). I don't think the X-Men movies were ever meant to be a deep, complex analysis of discrimination and civil politics; I think it's commendable that they even showed the opposing "Malcom X vs. Luther King" approaches to civil protest.

As it goes, I think some of it has to do with the material: X-Men was always a deeper, more meaningful comic than The Hulk.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 2:57pm

amen Blue. I loved that scene with Ashmore... not to mention Mystique saying how she shouldn't have to be like everyone else even if she has the ability to blend in..

[robbiej]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:00pm

The Civil Rights movement is complex.

Civil rights, in general, is VERY easy. All law-abiding Americans should be treated equally under the law.

Thought I'd throw that out there.

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:06pm

I guess I was just disappointed because I grew up watching X-Men and loving it, and I felt it could have been better. Overall, I think X-Men is a better comic than Hulk, but I just thought the movie version of Hulk was better than X-Men. Again, I know I am in the minority here regarding that, so I'll drop the comparison between the movies because I doubt we'll ever agree on this issue.

About the X-Men movie, I agree that it's an action movie and we should be so lucky to even have that be dealt in a movie like this. But I think they could have gone a bit deeper into exploring the civil rights issue of it rather than have it be so black and white.

Yes, civil rights means everyone gets treated equally, but how does one deal with it when there is a minority population who is clearly superior in terms of abilities and can do things like control your mind. I mean if you take those things into consideration, I think the X-Men story line could have been a lot more interesting.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:06pm

all law-abiding americans should be treated equally under the law.

unless, of course, they contribute to massacring a perfectly good comic character like the hulk, which, while technically legal, is still an abomination. then they should be shot repeatedly before being dragged slowly behind a very small talking donkey to the town square where they will be set on fire and surrounded by persons in kelly green robes who sway slowly in the kerosene fueled flickering firelight chanting "don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when i'm angry."

Updated On: 11/18/04 at 03:06 PM

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:10pm

VIET civil rights IS black and white (no pun intended)

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:23pm

Don't worry VIETgrlTerifa, I know where you're coming from. I think the comic book movies are always going to be simpler than the actual comics or television series, simply because there isn't the time to explore or expand on such issues while going through the mandatory rounds of introducing the characters and pitting them against each other in action-laced scenes.

I actually felt the X-Men movies did a good job not just portraying civil rights in terms of black/white; Magneto sees mutants as superior - the next chain in Man's evolution - and he has that "us vs. them" mentality. Xavier, however, sees the situation in shades of grey.

I think the movies also insinuated that part of the anxiety the non-mutant population had over the mutants was that that non-mutants probably felt inferior and powerless, and therefore needed to lash out and exterminate the mutants before they took over. So I definitely feel that the X-Men movies did suggest a further complexity that isn't immediately obvious.

Updated On: 11/18/04 at 03:23 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:26pm

bg...

...and red all over?

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 11/18/04 at 3:29pm

You're right about that BlueWizard. I haven't watched the second movie since it was in theaters, so I was still going by my first impression and by doing that, I probably forgot a lot of the more subtle ways they explored the argument. I should check it out again and give it another chance.
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from. I was afraid that I was starting to sound like some anti-mutant bigot and that wasn't my intention at all.