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don't say it. just don't. i just can't let a "where is that" go without googling.

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Papa I am saying nothing. Except for some reason I can't enlarge those images (pun intended) so I still can't see them properly.

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Thanks Papa.....You've made alot of gay boys happy!

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I was a fan of Ang Lee's... until I saw "The Hulk"...

I never understood the hate towards the Hulk. As a action/comic book movie, I thought it was pretty well-done...especially compared to the first Spiderman, Daredevil, and both X-Men. I liked that at least Ang Lee tried to put some sort of realism in it and complicate things a bit rather than doing something like over simplifying things. Like in X-Men with the way they just have anybody who thinks mutants should be registered or kept in checkis evil despite the fact that they are potentially dangerous.

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I enjoy the X-Men films as well.

were you comparing the 1st spiderman derogatorily to the hulk? to the hulk? i love eric bana, jennifer connelly and nick nolte, but please.

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I know I overly simplified the X-Men movies, but I can't help it when they over simplify the Civil Rights issue.

Yes, it was a simplification of a civil rights movements, but don't forget it's an action movie. We should be thrilled it had a Civil Rights angle at all. And an underlying gay civil rights message as well (how can one forget Bobby/Iceman's "coming out" scene from X2: "Have you ever tried not being a mutant?"). I don't think the X-Men movies were ever meant to be a deep, complex analysis of discrimination and civil politics; I think it's commendable that they even showed the opposing "Malcom X vs. Luther King" approaches to civil protest.

As it goes, I think some of it has to do with the material: X-Men was always a deeper, more meaningful comic than The Hulk.

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The Civil Rights movement is complex.

Civil rights, in general, is VERY easy. All law-abiding Americans should be treated equally under the law.

Thought I'd throw that out there.

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all law-abiding americans should be treated equally under the law.

unless, of course, they contribute to massacring a perfectly good comic character like the hulk, which, while technically legal, is still an abomination. then they should be shot repeatedly before being dragged slowly behind a very small talking donkey to the town square where they will be set on fire and surrounded by persons in kelly green robes who sway slowly in the kerosene fueled flickering firelight chanting "don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when i'm angry."

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Updated On: 11/18/04 at 03:06 PM

Don't worry VIETgrlTerifa, I know where you're coming from. I think the comic book movies are always going to be simpler than the actual comics or television series, simply because there isn't the time to explore or expand on such issues while going through the mandatory rounds of introducing the characters and pitting them against each other in action-laced scenes.

I actually felt the X-Men movies did a good job not just portraying civil rights in terms of black/white; Magneto sees mutants as superior - the next chain in Man's evolution - and he has that "us vs. them" mentality. Xavier, however, sees the situation in shades of grey.

I think the movies also insinuated that part of the anxiety the non-mutant population had over the mutants was that that non-mutants probably felt inferior and powerless, and therefore needed to lash out and exterminate the mutants before they took over. So I definitely feel that the X-Men movies did suggest a further complexity that isn't immediately obvious.

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Updated On: 11/18/04 at 03:23 PM

You're right about that BlueWizard. I haven't watched the second movie since it was in theaters, so I was still going by my first impression and by doing that, I probably forgot a lot of the more subtle ways they explored the argument. I should check it out again and give it another chance.
Thanks for understanding where I was coming from. I was afraid that I was starting to sound like some anti-mutant bigot and that wasn't my intention at all.

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