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#1

Christo Event

Anyone in NYC going to the unfurling? Sounds really spectacular.
PEACE.

Updated On: 2/11/05 at 05:15 PM

#2

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I am definitely going to see it. I hope it isn't freezing this week.
#3

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I'm hoping to see it at some point.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#4

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Someone I know really well is going to NY next week and that is their main reason for going. Sounds really interesting.
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#5

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Going first thing in the morning (living on the Park has its perks)
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#6

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This entire self-serving project is deplorable.


p.s. I live one block from Central Park, so I should know.

Updated On: 2/11/05 at 08:00 PM

#7

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"This entire self-serving project is deplorable."


Why do you say that?
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#8

re: Christo Event

I say that because his projects are done in order that he can then sell postcards, photographs, media rights, etc., to his "art." This "art" is done solely for the media it creates and to line his own personal coffers.

I also object to masking a beautiful work of art in its own right, Central Park, with aveneues of industrial orange beams from which hang industrial oranage curtains.

I truly object to this entire project.

All those "volunteers" who came to NYC to help erect this project (to use a polite term) if they truly wanted to contribute their time should have done so by cleaning Central Park, or painting and upkeeping a housing project in their own home town, or working a homless shelter somewhere, or helping people with Aids.

Now, I off to hear Meagan Mullaly at Jazz at Lincoln Center, which offers a view of this "self-serving...deplorable" project from the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle.

I still dislike it!
#9

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I definitely agree Jose'. There were 3 separate articles in the Times today about it, not including the spread on the back of the Arts section, which details the exact layout of all 7000-plus gates using orange dots on a map of Central Park. Media overkill.
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#10

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All those "volunteers" who came to NYC to help erect this project (to use a polite term) if they truly wanted to contribute their time should have done so by cleaning Central Park, or painting and upkeeping a housing project in their own home town, or working a homless shelter somewhere, or helping people with Aids.

Yes, and everyone who works in Theatre should just start volunteering at a shelter, people who build sets should stop and start building homes for the homeless, producers should give all that money used to produce anything artistic to the sick, stop making art until the world can feed all of it's citizens...

My God, Jose, that is the most asinine thing you have ever said! It is the argument that people use to stop federal funding of the arts. So you don't like what he does. I don't like what A. L. Webber does, but I would never suggest he stop doing it to feed the poor. It is not as if Christo is chopping down the trees in Central Park, he is installing a TEMPORARY exhibit to enhance (as he sees it) the terrain and cause people who walk by there everyday take a new look at it in a different way. To suggest that there are better ways to spend his time, well, the next time you want to go see a show...go to a shelter or a hospital and change the bed pans. You need to stop supporting anything artistic. Please.


PEACE.
#11

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If you believe in his stuff, Sueleen, you have every right to your opinion.

My view is that guy's not an artist, but a scam arttist.

His sole purpose to to sell photographs, etc, whose proceeds line his pockets.

He deludes a great number of folks, this time even the City of New York and the Conservancy of Central Park, into thinking they are part of an "exciting" piece of "art."

This project robs Central Park of its beauty for two full weeks. The Park is a living, breathing work of art in itself. It does not need Christo and his wrappings. Central Park does not need "enhancing."

As a resident of NYC, I object to this being forced on me and the City and anyone who sees The Park. Still, the Park will survive, and I will too.

If you one who comes to NYC to see Gates, please let me know. I'll be happy to buy you lunch at Cafe Gray in the Time Warner Center, so we can view the Park with the saffron curtains flapping in the breeze. You can tell me then how beautiful it all appears to you. I'd love to hear you views.

Cheers! J.




#12

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I think there are two sides (at least) to every story. Do I think the GATES exhibit is art? Do I think it "enhances" the park? Do I think there are reprecussions? Maybe yes, maybe no. The following except from a local paper raises and answers some questions:

The total cost of the project, including cleaning up afterwards, has been estimated at 21 million dollars -- a price tag that will be met entirely by the artists.

They intend to raise the money through the sale of preparatory drawings by Christo and sketches of prior projects.

"We'll sell all that we have, except our son," Jeanne-Claude said.

As with all their previous projects, viewing "The Gates" will require no ticket or admission price.

The two-week event is the result of 26 years of preparations, developments, meetings, and hopes often disappointed, such as in 1981 when the city government refused a license to proceed.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg finally gave the go ahead in 2003.

With no tab to pick up, the city is hoping the project will produce an off-season cash windfall.

In a bid to attract guests during what is normally a slow month for the tourist trade, hotels like the Mandarin Oriental are offering special "Gates" packages, placing binoculars in all rooms with a view over Central Park.

Restaurants, meanwhile, are adjusting their menus by adding dishes inspired by the project such as shrimps and scallops in saffron sauce.

Some 200,000 people are expected to visit New York for the express purpose of viewing the installation and, like all passers-by, will receive remembrances from a million samples of saffron distributed at the site.

Not everyone is happy with the project however.

The New York branch of the Sierra Club environmental group demanded without success that the city conduct an impact study, voicing concerns about the effect the project will have on the 7,000 birds in the park.


The city is looking at a tremendous (potential) gain in revenue from this art (stunt) and it's only for two weeks. Are they doing irreperable harm? I don't think so and I think ultimately the final result will outweigh the negative impact. This city is never not in need of a financial boost.

As for the artists lining their pockets; while that may be true, they are also not "costing" the city money to do their work, and that is something to take under consideration.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 10:24 AM

#13

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The day I saw the city lease out Central Park to Walt Disney for an exclusive, private showing of Pocohontas was the day I knew the park did not belong to the public. Additionally, they have had many concerts in the park that I wasn't crazy about or couldn't get into. This art exhibit is better than these events because at least it's free and welcomes everyone. For the limited time that it is there, I think it's a good thing.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#14

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Jose, you are still not addressing the issue that you raised that since YOU don't think it's art the money should not be spent on the project but on the homeless and clean up. Any person who produces a Broadway show wants to "line his pockets". Why am I having the urge to put on Sunday in the Park with George? In fact, I think I will do just that, and since I will not be able to make it to NYC to experience this fun and I believe beautiful exhibit, I will have to content myself with a postcard. I hope that does not offend you. Thanks for the offer of lunch, but I'll have to take a rain check.
PEACE.
#15

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Okay, I live right off the park, and just went to run a quick errand. Got my first glimpse - I have to say, I hate it. I didn't expect to hate it - I was looking forward. Sadly, the color comes off as Construction Orange. Not working for me at all.
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#16

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It's supposed to be the colors of sunrise - which doesn't translate in the pics I've seen - but they're only pics. They do seem to match Jeanne-Claude's hair, though.
#17

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Well, public art has always been controversial. It is meant to stimulate discussion and bring people who may not experience the same things together in spite of class or race. If you hate it you can take comfort in the fact that it will be gone in two weeks and you can go back to anticipating the next Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, Ticker Tape Parade for some stupid sports team or the next St. Patrick’s Day Parade or Puerto Rican Day Parade that don’t cost the city a thing and cause not inconvenience to any citizen in Manhattan.
PEACE.
#18

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I saw the park from Broadway as I walked to the office a short while ago.

Gates is an eyesore.

Boo for Bloomberg for being the first mayor to supporting this sham in the name of art. This entire project had been refused by the City since 1979.

I loved reading today how Christo became flustered and frustrated during the Q&A when meeting the media yesterday to announce the unfurling.

Methinks even he knows scrutiny will reveal that he's wearing no clothes.

Fly East Sueleen, lunch is on me.





#19

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My broom is in the shop, Jose, but thanks.
PEACE.
#20

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I don't understand the hostility to Christo making money.

Many, many many of the singers, dancers, painters, sculptors, playwrights, composers, actors, ceramicists, choreographers and other artists that I have known have sought to support themselves financially through their artistic endeavors. The notion that this somehow "proves" that their art is invalid is ludicrous.

The argument that the Gates project "robs Central Park of it's beauty" is subjective and cannot be truly proved or disproved. If you don't like installation art, I imagine it would be distracting to see the park covered with these gates. Still, with 850 acres of park, I think the anti-Gates folks can still find a few spots of unspoiled refuge.

While I actually am a fan of Christo's work, I find this project, like the umbrellas, less successful than I'd hoped. Still, I've only seen them from above; I'm walking my dogs up there during the week; perhaps they have more impact when you're "inside"


"They have never understood, and no reason that they should. But if anybody could . . . " --SS
#21

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I went and saw it today. I personally think it is an eyesore.
Hideous. But if it helps tourism and it has, then I say it is a good thing.
Personally, I wish Christo would give the 21 million to the MTA so they don't raise the fares. But that is me.
Anything that helps bring tourism to this City is a good thing even if it is hideous.
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Updated On: 2/12/05 at 06:33 PM

#22

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Terribly diasapointed to hear this is not a success. One of my MD's is travelling to N.Y. Esp to see this too. ( I just happened to pick this time to be in so no skin off my nose either way)
#23

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Who said it's not a success?

I also went today, and I spent about 4 hours walking around the park by myself and it was usually relaxing, but it was swarmed with tourists and people climing over rocks and trying to climb tress to take pictures. I'm a big art fan, and I love things like this and huge art projects. The term "art" is subjective though - so some see it as an eyesore, where others see it beautiful, and I certainly think it's relaxing and wonderful. I would have prefferred a different color - the orange everywhere looks a bit like the entire park is under construction. Other than that, I really enjoyed myself and I'm definitely going back.
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#24

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I thought that the wrapped Reichstag had such visceral aesthetic and political and emotional impact--I was really blown away by that. The gates feel so neutered by acommodation and compromise that they come off merely pretty. I wish he had wrapped the Statue of Liberty, or the Washington Monument. (Yeah, this administration would understand and support that....) Even so--his ability to make people think about and see in a new way places/things that they take for granted is great and valuable, IMHO.

To a great extent with public art, perception is reality; masses of people are LOVING this installation. The crowds in and around the park yesterday were positively giddy. Giddy about Central Park in the dead heart of February? That's a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.
"They have never understood, and no reason that they should. But if anybody could . . . " --SS
#25

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My big problem with it is the color. It really does look like construction work, especially with those construcion-type beams. I do wish it was another color. We see enough construction around here.
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