Clearing The Air- Page 7

[DAME]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 3:44pm

WE MUST GET RID OF BUSH

[Matt_G]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 3:47pm

Norelco makes a really good razor for that, Dame.

Updated On: 5/30/04 at 03:47 PM

[DAME]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 3:48pm

LOL

Posted: 5/30/04 at 5:12pm

I now got a hate pm too: Here it goes.


on 5/29/04 @ 09:11:18 AM Mr roxy sent to this to me

You can go f yourself. I could care less what you or any of the idiots on this board who do not care for me, without ever meeting me. Very adult. From people screaming for tolerance, I have never seen so much intlerance & Unabashed hate

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 5:17pm

For the last time. WHO SCREAMS FOR TOLERANCE AROUND HERE?

Posted: 5/30/04 at 5:37pm

I never scream

[Mattio98]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 5:41pm

To Mr. Roxy:

Ignorance never deserves tolerance

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 9:02pm

TOOOOLLLLLEEEERRRAANNNNCCEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

whew--I feel better!

[Mattio98]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 11:16pm

Another PM from Roxy:


You Are Wrong from Mr Roxy
on 5/30/04 @ 10:48:33 PM
How did I bring my wife into it ? If mentioning her bothers you, tough. Some of the constant sexual innuendos bother me but I ignore them. Did I attack Dame & her lover or family ? Your statement is absolute b.s. & you know it. I offer to light a candle for a friend of hers going to Iraq & any normal person would say thanks . Her reply "You are full of crap " . I see what a piece of work I was dealing with after that. I will tell you what I told her . Say anything about me you want about me but why stoop so low as to bring wives/lovers & family into it ?

Tell her if she continues I will retaliate & start doing what she does: I will bring her family & lover into it. I know you & many on this board hate my guts. I have no idea why & I could care less. All of you on this board want tolerance & acceptence & yet some of these same people are some of the most hateful individuals I have ever come across. If you act like this, it in no wonder you will never get acceptance. I respect everyone & believe everyone should have equal rights. When you start this viciousness, you lose my support & acceptance. You get what you give.Treat people with vicious attacks & it will come back to bite you in the ass. I say I will not vote . You do not feel this is right show me where I am wrong instead of hurling names at me. You want me to accept you as equal ? Why not accept me as equal. If you are gay, fine but do not be against me because I am straight.

No matter what I say, you, Dame & others will still hate my guts & continue name calling. She attacks my wife, I stand up for her by being as vicious as she is & she takes offense. What did she expect ? Did she expect me to say thank you for attacking her ? You want me to accept your lovers & yet I mention my wife you all go off the deep end. I am straight & am staying on the board so get used to it.

Tell Dame I will avoid whatever she says about me on the board. If she attacks my wife one more time, I will start bringing her lover or family into it on the board & not in a private message. It is her choice. Let us ignore each other & you be the go between. If I have to get down in the mud with her I will. I have nothing to lose as no matter what I do, I will still be hated anyway.

[nystateomind04]

Posted: 5/30/04 at 11:24pm

i cant believe this is still going on. you would have thought the guy would have left the board by now. instead he just reads what people say and sends multitudes of pm's. i guess that is the tolorant way to go about it Updated On: 5/30/04 at 11:24 PM

[DAME]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 2:17am

Do you think he is on drugs?

Posted: 5/31/04 at 3:18am

I will never understand how someone can get SO worked up by a faceless name on a message board.
True, some people have created friendships here, and I think that's wonderful.
But if there is a difference of opinion, to spend such energies on all the bull**** is crazy - - and I'm speaking of all the campaigning Rox is doing here on his behalf!
I credit DAME for rising above and speaking her mind, which is what we ALL do on this board.
While Mr. Roxy is entitled to his opinion also, the PMing of others to "rally" them to his side (or whatever he's trying to achieve here) is beyond rediculous.
However, I thank him for the endless hours of entertainment. I might even cancel my cable as long as this is going on!!!
It'd be cheaper and far more entertaining.
I raise a Mojito to Dame!!
love and snuggles,
DT
Updated On: 5/31/04 at 03:18 AM

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 9:31am

Who screams about tolerance? Who has ever attacked someone's "wife"? And, most importantly, who cares?

All that martyrdom and boo-hooing on the public board looks mighty phony when the PMs are exposed.

Very Caroline, or Change -- being privy to the rumblings of Mr. Roxy's brain.

[DAME]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 11:38am

Mojito anyone?

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 12:40pm

I have tried to stay out of this but I just can't. I feel the need to point out that Dame's original comment to Mr Roxy that sparked this whole brouhaha DIDN'T actually insult his wife as he so frequently claims. Her exact words were "so you can continue eating s**t with your wife". Now, the insult seems to be aimed at Mr Roxy and Dame is only bringing his wife into the sentence because he talks about her all the time. I missed the actual direct insult at Roxy's wife. We all did. There wasn't one. Roxy is miscontruing what Dame said. Which is about all he ever does.

[DAME]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 12:43pm

Thank you pop cultureboy. I kept re-reading the threads to see where I went wrong.

[popcultureboy]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 1:13pm

Anytime, you big hussy.

[DAME]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 9:28pm

size queen.

[newyorkuniq]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 10:56pm

What is a mojito???

[Mattio98]

Posted: 5/31/04 at 11:46pm

There are many many Mojito threads. You can search and find one. Or you can go to the local bar and have one

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 6/1/04 at 10:32am

Popcultureboy, please let us know what the nasty PM you receive says.

The Washington Post this morning has a story about Bush creating "straw men" in the campaign against Kerry -- sound like Mr. Poxy took a page out of this book. Here's the story:

Making Hay Out of Straw Men
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, June 1, 2004; Page A21


For President Bush, this is the season of the straw man. It is an ancient debating technique: Caricature your opponent's argument, then knock down the straw man you created. In the 2004 campaign, Bush has been knocking down such phantoms on subjects from Iraq to free trade.

In a speech on May 21 mentioning the importance of integrity in government, business and the military, Bush veered into a challenge to unidentified "people" who practice moral relativism. "It may seem generous and open-minded to say that everybody, on every moral issue, is equally right," Bush said, at Louisiana State University. "But that attitude can also be an excuse for sidestepping life's most important questions."

No doubt. But who's made such arguments? Hannibal Lecter? The White House declined to name names.

On May 19, Bush was asked about a plan by his Democratic opponent, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), to halt shipments that are replenishing emergency petroleum reserves. Bush replied by saying we should not empty the reserves -- something nobody in a responsible position has proposed. "The idea of emptying the Strategic Petroleum Reserve would put America in a dangerous position in the war on terror," Bush said. "We're at war."

The president has used a similar technique on the stump, when explaining his decision to go to war in Iraq in light of the subsequent failure to find stockpiles of forbidden weapons. In the typical speech, Bush explains the prewar intelligence indicating Saddam Hussein had such weapons, and then presents in inarguable conclusion: "So I had a choice to make: either trust the word of a madman, or defend America. Given that choice, I will defend America every time."

Missing from that equation is the actual choice Bush confronted: support continued U.N. weapons inspections, or go to war.

On May 4, Bush was discussing the war on terrorism, when he said: "Some say, 'Well, this is just a matter of law enforcement and intelligence.' No, that's not what it is." On May 10, he posited: "The natural tendency for people is to say, oh, let's lay down our arms. But you can't negotiate with these people. . . . Therapy won't work."

It is not clear who makes such arguments, however. All but a few lawmakers in both parties support military action against al Qaeda, and Kerry certainly has not proposed opening talks with Osama bin Laden or putting him on the couch.

Bush is obviously not the first politician to paint his opponents' positions in absurd terms. "Honorable people could disagree about the real choice between tax giveaways to the wealthiest Americans and health care and education for America's families," Kerry has said. "I'm ready for that honest debate."

But Bush has been more active than most in creating phantom opponents: During the 2000 campaign, Bush fought against those who say "it's racist to test" students -- even though his opponent, Al Gore, was saying no such thing.

Recently, though, even some ideological allies have called Bush on his use of straw men. On April 30, for example, Bush was discussing Iraq when he said: "There's a lot of people in the world who don't believe that people whose skin color may not be the same as ours can be free and self-govern. I reject that. I reject that strongly. I believe that people who practice the Muslim faith can self-govern. I believe that people whose skins . . . are a different color than white can self-govern."

The columnist George Will asked who Bush was talking about, then warned of the "swamp one wanders into when trying to deflect doubts about policy by caricaturing and discrediting the doubters." There are some, including in the State Department, who are skeptical about the ability of the United States to spread democracy in the Arab world, but that is a far less sweeping argument than the one Bush knocked down.

In some cases, Bush's straw men are only slight exaggerations of his opponents' policies. "Some say that the federal government ought to run the health care system. I strongly disagree," he said on April 5. Although mainstream Democrats are not proposing a government-run health care system, they do support considerably more federal involvement than Bush does.

On trade, similarly, Bush has said those who disagree with him are isolationists. "There is a temptation in Washington to say the solution to jobs uncertainty is to isolate America from the world," he said on March 25. "It's called economic isolationism, a sense that says, 'Well, we're too pessimistic, we don't want to compete -- as opposed to opening up markets, let's close markets, starting with our own.' " Some lawmakers do favor more trade restrictions than Bush does, but only a few could be called isolationists. There seems to be no end to the crazy positions the straw men take. Indeed, some have argued in favor of deeper recessions. "Some say, 'Well, maybe the recession should have been deeper,' " Bush said last summer. "That bothers me when people say that. You see, a deeper recession would have meant more families would have been out of work."

Now who could argue with that?

[DAME]

Posted: 6/1/04 at 2:11pm

That Bush is such a lying hussy.