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#77
Posted: 5/19/12 at 3:53am
The death of Donna Summer has hit me harder than all the other recent deaths in music, including Whitney Houston. I think it is because Donna's music really was embedded into my subconscious from the time I was a small boy in the 70s. The radio was always on Donna's songs played constantly. I grew up listening to them and to this day, they have a sense memory quality to them. They take me back to a time and place.
They also are incredible pop songs with hooks that caught you instantly. As a boy I used to dance to them and even choreograph to them.
Then there's the voice. It's unmistakable and unique and soaring, as another poster stated. Donna's catalogue seems more impressive than Whitney's even though I don't think she sold as well as Whitney.
I will miss her greatly.
They also are incredible pop songs with hooks that caught you instantly. As a boy I used to dance to them and even choreograph to them.
Then there's the voice. It's unmistakable and unique and soaring, as another poster stated. Donna's catalogue seems more impressive than Whitney's even though I don't think she sold as well as Whitney.
I will miss her greatly.
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#78
Posted: 5/19/12 at 6:52am
Eric,
Do you just randomly Google information and then post it here as your truth?
Because, unless you lived through it and know it from first hand experience, you have no business talking about it like you were there.
Do you just randomly Google information and then post it here as your truth?
Because, unless you lived through it and know it from first hand experience, you have no business talking about it like you were there.
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#79
Posted: 5/19/12 at 7:35am
"While obviously there is simply no way for me to have experienced what that era was like, I have read a lot of memoirs, and novels of the time or about the time, and I think I have some concept."
Books are great, but they are not the equal of first-hand experience.
Novels are fiction.
"Some concept" is not enough to confer the authority to act like an authority.
Books are great, but they are not the equal of first-hand experience.
Novels are fiction.
"Some concept" is not enough to confer the authority to act like an authority.
#80
Posted: 5/19/12 at 10:19am
Okay, Namo, we could debate this forever, and I kind of wish the gay press HAD debated it more thoroughly back then. Instead it became accepted truth overnight that Donna Summer had betrayed us.
But I always felt that Donna had been unfairly lynched by anonymous group of gay white men who were probably on drugs themselves--they were at a Donna Summer concert, after all--and afterward exaggerated the badly expressed religious words of an unthinking black woman because they and their friends were getting sick and dying and we all needed a villain to be be angry at. It was what Lillian Hellman once termed a "scoundrel time," when even good people behaved badly.
So we made an Anita Bryant out of Donna Summer and strung her up on a tree to warn other black female singers to keep their religiosity to themselves. We were scoundrels to do that.
Let's look at the words that were actually reported as having been said at the concert: "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve but I still love you." Badly chosen, yes of course, but the first part of her sentence doesn't NECESSARILY cancel out the second.
She could very easily have meant to say (I think very probably have meant to say), "PEOPLE SAY that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve but I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY BECAUSE I LOVE YOU." (My paraphrases in caps.) I don't think she was ever smart enough to express that properly. (I don't think I am either.) But it was never clear to me from what I read that she actually believed that statement herself.
Then backstage, with the anonymous gaggle of probably-drug-addled white boys waiting for their diva, she goes on with more of the religious mumbo-jumbo she's been fed by the African-American born-again types who were trying to get her off the drugs--stupid, callous, unfeeling stuff but stuff a lot of black religious folk believed to be true at the time--and for a long time afterward.
(White religious folk believed it too, but they weren't the ones with sway over Donna Summer at the time. So let's remember this was always about white men judging black religion.)
And now let's get to the part that was not reported--the part that was just remembered by the probably-drug-addled white-boy lynch mob:
What if what she said backstage was NOT that AIDS was God's punishment for "being gay" but that AIDS was "God's punishment for having promiscuous sex"? A lot of freaked-out people believed that at the time--including a lot of freaked-out gay people who had been promiscuous. Including you and me--or, well, me at least, for a year or two or three.
Those boys would have been pretty dismayed to hear their diva talking SH*T like that.
Add now let's add in the fact that MAYBE one or two of those queens backstage were not disco bunnies but punk-rock gays like you, who hated disco and had been dragged there...and add in the fact that most of the white guys writing for the gay press back then were of your too-cool-for-school I-Hate-Disco mindset.
What resulted was a perfect storm of anger. Indignant editorials. Disco and Donna denounced at gay bars. Jokes and exaggeration from drag queens at fundraisers. Records burned. From those anonymous reports onward, Donna Summer could not defend herself against the accusations. She was forever the enemy.
It was a scoundrel time.
But I always felt that Donna had been unfairly lynched by anonymous group of gay white men who were probably on drugs themselves--they were at a Donna Summer concert, after all--and afterward exaggerated the badly expressed religious words of an unthinking black woman because they and their friends were getting sick and dying and we all needed a villain to be be angry at. It was what Lillian Hellman once termed a "scoundrel time," when even good people behaved badly.
So we made an Anita Bryant out of Donna Summer and strung her up on a tree to warn other black female singers to keep their religiosity to themselves. We were scoundrels to do that.
Let's look at the words that were actually reported as having been said at the concert: "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve but I still love you." Badly chosen, yes of course, but the first part of her sentence doesn't NECESSARILY cancel out the second.
She could very easily have meant to say (I think very probably have meant to say), "PEOPLE SAY that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve but I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY BECAUSE I LOVE YOU." (My paraphrases in caps.) I don't think she was ever smart enough to express that properly. (I don't think I am either.) But it was never clear to me from what I read that she actually believed that statement herself.
Then backstage, with the anonymous gaggle of probably-drug-addled white boys waiting for their diva, she goes on with more of the religious mumbo-jumbo she's been fed by the African-American born-again types who were trying to get her off the drugs--stupid, callous, unfeeling stuff but stuff a lot of black religious folk believed to be true at the time--and for a long time afterward.
(White religious folk believed it too, but they weren't the ones with sway over Donna Summer at the time. So let's remember this was always about white men judging black religion.)
And now let's get to the part that was not reported--the part that was just remembered by the probably-drug-addled white-boy lynch mob:
What if what she said backstage was NOT that AIDS was God's punishment for "being gay" but that AIDS was "God's punishment for having promiscuous sex"? A lot of freaked-out people believed that at the time--including a lot of freaked-out gay people who had been promiscuous. Including you and me--or, well, me at least, for a year or two or three.
Those boys would have been pretty dismayed to hear their diva talking SH*T like that.
Add now let's add in the fact that MAYBE one or two of those queens backstage were not disco bunnies but punk-rock gays like you, who hated disco and had been dragged there...and add in the fact that most of the white guys writing for the gay press back then were of your too-cool-for-school I-Hate-Disco mindset.
What resulted was a perfect storm of anger. Indignant editorials. Disco and Donna denounced at gay bars. Jokes and exaggeration from drag queens at fundraisers. Records burned. From those anonymous reports onward, Donna Summer could not defend herself against the accusations. She was forever the enemy.
It was a scoundrel time.
Updated On: 5/19/12 at 10:19 AM
#81
Posted: 5/19/12 at 10:43am
Please write a book.
I regret not having printed out all of your posts/essays on BWW over the last 8 years.
This is why I won't leave BWW. The insight and information that people like you and Namo share makes the experience of being here truly thought-provoking and enriching. Thank you.
I regret not having printed out all of your posts/essays on BWW over the last 8 years.
This is why I won't leave BWW. The insight and information that people like you and Namo share makes the experience of being here truly thought-provoking and enriching. Thank you.
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#82
Posted: 5/19/12 at 11:10am
I love you, PalJoey, so much, I love you, I love you, I love you. You take me right back to working on a radical gay and lesbian collective (a few years after the record store) where one white person could shut down another white person's discussion of something by finding the racist angle! It's like a sense memory I haven't had in years. Luckily, I've had therapy since.
Again, I don't really want to derail or deny the grief and good memories people are having about LaDonna, so I don't want to drag this out much longer. You're right, she could very well have been saying "I'm not like one of those awful people who has come to power, I am going to stand by you and not drift in the general repressive direction of this whole nation." Just as what she might have been saying during the years when she was distancing herself from "Love to Love You, Baby" that she loved the song to death and she was very proud of it.
I have to say, I think in both my lengthy posts I made it clear about the scoundrel time. I tried hard to show that most people were NOT heroes, that Donna was more typical than not and that that is what helped make the times so awful.
And I have to say that you going right to "Donna Summer was lynched by drugged out white gays" is just a titch extreme. In fact, somebody back on the radical collective might have pointed out that part of your analysis sounding like a self-loathing gay man projecting on to others!
The story didn't get much traction, there was no lynching, high-, low- or medium-tech or otherwise. The original article talked about her coming back out onstage after changing after the show. Nobody was going backstage for a sitting. This was her chance to proselytize. I just don't make the same assumptions as you, that even if these gay guys who adored the diva were drugged out to the gills, they went back there to "get her." I recall the writer looking for clarification and hoping what she said onstage wasn't what it sounded like. I kind of remember a sense of heartbreak when she said "AIDS is your sin."
Again, I don't really want to derail or deny the grief and good memories people are having about LaDonna, so I don't want to drag this out much longer. You're right, she could very well have been saying "I'm not like one of those awful people who has come to power, I am going to stand by you and not drift in the general repressive direction of this whole nation." Just as what she might have been saying during the years when she was distancing herself from "Love to Love You, Baby" that she loved the song to death and she was very proud of it.
I have to say, I think in both my lengthy posts I made it clear about the scoundrel time. I tried hard to show that most people were NOT heroes, that Donna was more typical than not and that that is what helped make the times so awful.
And I have to say that you going right to "Donna Summer was lynched by drugged out white gays" is just a titch extreme. In fact, somebody back on the radical collective might have pointed out that part of your analysis sounding like a self-loathing gay man projecting on to others!
The story didn't get much traction, there was no lynching, high-, low- or medium-tech or otherwise. The original article talked about her coming back out onstage after changing after the show. Nobody was going backstage for a sitting. This was her chance to proselytize. I just don't make the same assumptions as you, that even if these gay guys who adored the diva were drugged out to the gills, they went back there to "get her." I recall the writer looking for clarification and hoping what she said onstage wasn't what it sounded like. I kind of remember a sense of heartbreak when she said "AIDS is your sin."
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#83
Posted: 5/19/12 at 11:47am
And I have to say that you going right to "Donna Summer was lynched by drugged out white gays" is just a titch extreme
A titch? Moi? I thought I was in full High Dudgeon.
I didn't say they actually went there to "get her." I think the "getting" was opportunistic, after hearing her say things under the sway of the drug of religion.
We were all so angry and scared and we needed an enemy. What could be better than to sacrifice a diva, especially since she was the diva of the kind of music that the straights and the punk-rockers told us we shouldn't be loving at all.
And from that article and those anonymous people, it spread like a virus, throughout the community, until you couldn't say the name "Donna Summer" without a handful of people saying "That UNGRATEFUL homophobic bitch?"
She never deserved that. She still doesn't. Donna Summer was never the enemy.
A titch? Moi? I thought I was in full High Dudgeon.
I didn't say they actually went there to "get her." I think the "getting" was opportunistic, after hearing her say things under the sway of the drug of religion.
We were all so angry and scared and we needed an enemy. What could be better than to sacrifice a diva, especially since she was the diva of the kind of music that the straights and the punk-rockers told us we shouldn't be loving at all.
And from that article and those anonymous people, it spread like a virus, throughout the community, until you couldn't say the name "Donna Summer" without a handful of people saying "That UNGRATEFUL homophobic bitch?"
She never deserved that. She still doesn't. Donna Summer was never the enemy.
#84
Posted: 5/19/12 at 12:09pm
Possible title for the book: "PalJoey and Namo's Recent Gay Hisssstory."
The thing is this, though. No gay punk rockers ever had the power to tell gay disco fans they shouldn't listen to Donna Summer. Most gay disco fans dismissed punk rock out of hand, and that was that. The world views were diametrically opposed and the disco world, until 1980, had total mainstream cultural approval. Then it ran out of steam. But the aspirational upper-middle class trappings of the red velvet rope disco scene were the groundwork for the entire "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" era, ushered in by the Studio 54 scene and Robin Leach and the Reagans. Fancy polyester, the right look, the right coke.
If a gay punk rocker wanted to go to a gay bar or club or tavern or bathhouse, ie, wanted to get laid, there was no venue that did NOT play disco and Donna and all the rest. So, we heard whenever we went to such places. (And of course, got a LOT of the songs stuck in our heads).
So this image of the poor, tiny rebel band of disco bunnies cowering in the corner while the culture at large ignored their culture doesn't really square, historically.
But seriously, again, I am not here to crap on the dead diva. I just had to step in before Eric got all the way to "the ENTIRE thing was made up, it never happened, Donna sewed the entire NAMES Project Quilt by hand."
The thing is this, though. No gay punk rockers ever had the power to tell gay disco fans they shouldn't listen to Donna Summer. Most gay disco fans dismissed punk rock out of hand, and that was that. The world views were diametrically opposed and the disco world, until 1980, had total mainstream cultural approval. Then it ran out of steam. But the aspirational upper-middle class trappings of the red velvet rope disco scene were the groundwork for the entire "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" era, ushered in by the Studio 54 scene and Robin Leach and the Reagans. Fancy polyester, the right look, the right coke.
If a gay punk rocker wanted to go to a gay bar or club or tavern or bathhouse, ie, wanted to get laid, there was no venue that did NOT play disco and Donna and all the rest. So, we heard whenever we went to such places. (And of course, got a LOT of the songs stuck in our heads).
So this image of the poor, tiny rebel band of disco bunnies cowering in the corner while the culture at large ignored their culture doesn't really square, historically.
But seriously, again, I am not here to crap on the dead diva. I just had to step in before Eric got all the way to "the ENTIRE thing was made up, it never happened, Donna sewed the entire NAMES Project Quilt by hand."
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#86
Posted: 5/19/12 at 12:34pm
I like that too. And Randy Rainbow can lip-synch the audio version.
And now, everybody, back to your joyful memories of Donna's music.
And now, everybody, back to your joyful memories of Donna's music.
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#87
Posted: 5/19/12 at 1:05pm
Let's let the Diva have the last word:
"I want you to look at me and I want you to really hear me when I say this: I never said that."
http://youtu.be/bcAGC0SXD7w
"I want you to look at me and I want you to really hear me when I say this: I never said that."
http://youtu.be/bcAGC0SXD7w
#88
Posted: 5/19/12 at 1:48pm
""Some concept" is not enough to confer the authority to act like an authority"
That would be my problem with most of his posts.
That would be my problem with most of his posts.
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#89
Posted: 5/19/12 at 3:33pm
Wow. I just opened this thread to read some nice messages from board members in honor of Donna Summer. I didn't expect the very insightful, well written reminisces of that scary time when the AIDS crisis first hit and scared everyone, myself included.
I had just started high school and I knew I was gay. I was very much looking forward to falling in love with another guy and having my first sexual experience...and then AIDS hit.
There I was a 14 year old homosexual left with the concept that my sexuality was wrong and death would be the heavy price to pay.
I went into my closet and closed the door behind me and locked it.
It was a sad, scary and confusing time.
We know better now and that closet door was opened 18 years ago when I could no longer bear to live a life of lies and self denial.
Reading PJ and Namo's accounts brought all that back and I learned some new things in the process. So thank you guys for sharing.
I also am saddened by Donna Summer's untimely passing. She has always been one of my favorite recording artists. I also was confused and conflicted by the whole anti-gay statements attributed to her at the time but she has since apologized for anything she may have sad or hurt the gay community. She's apologized numerous times. I forgave her a long time ago.
Without forgiveness we don't move forward. No one's perfect. We've all have done or said things in our past that we are not proud of and am sure we would not like being held against us.
R.I.P. Donna Summer, I still "love to love you".
I had just started high school and I knew I was gay. I was very much looking forward to falling in love with another guy and having my first sexual experience...and then AIDS hit.
There I was a 14 year old homosexual left with the concept that my sexuality was wrong and death would be the heavy price to pay.
I went into my closet and closed the door behind me and locked it.
It was a sad, scary and confusing time.
We know better now and that closet door was opened 18 years ago when I could no longer bear to live a life of lies and self denial.
Reading PJ and Namo's accounts brought all that back and I learned some new things in the process. So thank you guys for sharing.
I also am saddened by Donna Summer's untimely passing. She has always been one of my favorite recording artists. I also was confused and conflicted by the whole anti-gay statements attributed to her at the time but she has since apologized for anything she may have sad or hurt the gay community. She's apologized numerous times. I forgave her a long time ago.
Without forgiveness we don't move forward. No one's perfect. We've all have done or said things in our past that we are not proud of and am sure we would not like being held against us.
R.I.P. Donna Summer, I still "love to love you".
Updated On: 5/19/12 at 03:33 PM
#90
Posted: 5/19/12 at 5:40pm
Just want to say that I am very moved and immensely enlightened by PJ's and Namo's posts.
Thank you both for so eloquently sharing some very personal memories. Those few posts brought more perspective of that time period to me than a dozen books and/or movies about that era.
As far as Donna Summer, I have gleaned that she was a confused and impressionable (and fragile) woman. She seemed to be looking for the same kind of acceptance that her gay fans were. My feeling, based on your recollections, is that in her heart she bore no ill will or negative judgements toward homosexuals despite what she may have been programmed to say.
Either way, she passed too soon.
Also, the book idea that is being bandied about here - I'm not sure if it is a joke, but a compendium of honest and heartfelt essays about gay life in the 80s would certainly be welcome. It feels like people want to push that entire decade under the rug and only have discussions about how far we have come from the 90s on.
Thank you both for so eloquently sharing some very personal memories. Those few posts brought more perspective of that time period to me than a dozen books and/or movies about that era.
As far as Donna Summer, I have gleaned that she was a confused and impressionable (and fragile) woman. She seemed to be looking for the same kind of acceptance that her gay fans were. My feeling, based on your recollections, is that in her heart she bore no ill will or negative judgements toward homosexuals despite what she may have been programmed to say.
Either way, she passed too soon.
Also, the book idea that is being bandied about here - I'm not sure if it is a joke, but a compendium of honest and heartfelt essays about gay life in the 80s would certainly be welcome. It feels like people want to push that entire decade under the rug and only have discussions about how far we have come from the 90s on.
....but the world goes 'round
#91
Posted: 5/19/12 at 6:39pm
Stay tuned for David France's documentary "How to Survive a Plague."
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#92
Posted: 5/19/12 at 7:01pm
I get the credit for the book idea!
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#93
Posted: 5/19/12 at 7:36pm
TheatreDiva presents The Gershwin's Hissy Fits, by PalJoey and FindingNamo
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#94
Posted: 5/19/12 at 8:24pm
Who wants to mock up a show curtian..... I mean, book cover?
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#95
Posted: 5/19/12 at 11:31pm
Diva--you can contribute a chapter. We'll call it "Sissy Fits"
#96
Posted: 5/20/12 at 12:34am
LOL
Dish With Diva...
Dish With Diva...
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#97
Posted: 5/20/12 at 5:26am
Seriously, I would buy such a book. I am enthralled every time PJ or Namo writes about the AIDS epidemic and those horrid times. I got chills reading through this article, because as a person born in 76 and raised in Tennessee, I knew about it, but I never experienced it. AIDS impacted me personally when a good friend told me he was HIV+ 12 years ago. I lost him two years ago. It's so important that the reality of what happened is preserved.
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#98
Posted: 5/20/12 at 6:03am
I would too. JerseyGirl, I'm really sorry for the loss to this world and to you of your friend.
When I said I've read novels and books about that era and the experience, I was aware (but thanks AfterEight for the note) that the novels are fiction, but to read The Farewell Symphony or Grief is to at least somewhat see what that era must have been like--and was for the authors. So while it is fiction, I don't think those books can be discounted and they also are pretty shocking, and moving reads. (It's about the era after, but I really think Paul Russell's The Coming Storm, which was the first really modern gay novel I read, deals with some of that era's affect in an interesting way, although I don't think as personally).
The idea was always semi-abstract to me too, my mother's best friend's partner killed himself when I was eight because he didn't want to get more sick after having brain cancer. So, while I on some level knew I would be accepted by my parents if I came out (my parents were actually set up by his boyfriend) I also felt pretty scared about it all and why I tried to be straight until I was 19 years old, ridiculously. I didn't mean to trivialize any of what has happened, and how far it almost all too conveniently seemed to set back some people's ideology about how one should accept gays (not just as villains but also as tragic, sexless martyrs to their condition).
When I said I've read novels and books about that era and the experience, I was aware (but thanks AfterEight for the note) that the novels are fiction, but to read The Farewell Symphony or Grief is to at least somewhat see what that era must have been like--and was for the authors. So while it is fiction, I don't think those books can be discounted and they also are pretty shocking, and moving reads. (It's about the era after, but I really think Paul Russell's The Coming Storm, which was the first really modern gay novel I read, deals with some of that era's affect in an interesting way, although I don't think as personally).
The idea was always semi-abstract to me too, my mother's best friend's partner killed himself when I was eight because he didn't want to get more sick after having brain cancer. So, while I on some level knew I would be accepted by my parents if I came out (my parents were actually set up by his boyfriend) I also felt pretty scared about it all and why I tried to be straight until I was 19 years old, ridiculously. I didn't mean to trivialize any of what has happened, and how far it almost all too conveniently seemed to set back some people's ideology about how one should accept gays (not just as villains but also as tragic, sexless martyrs to their condition).
#99
Posted: 5/20/12 at 6:57am
Are there any books out there now that you would recommend that are as real as your own recounts?
Pretty pretty please don't you ever ever feel like you're less than f**ckin' perfect!
#100
Posted: 5/20/12 at 7:24am
I would be curious too. I feel like I've read the major titles, but probably not most of the other ones (I only discovered Holleran had a recent novel when I was telling a friend to read Dancer From The Dance to get what I was told by a great friend is a pretty accurate description of late 70s gay disco culture... I have a feeling I'll regret saying that).
I would recommend to anyone who hasn't read it, Eminent Outlaws, Christopher Bram's very recent book about the gay authors and playwrights who came of importance post WWII and during the AIDS movement as well as how the lack of gay lit now is a problem. http://www.amazon.com/Eminent-Outlaws-Writers-Changed-America/dp/0446563137 I think it is especially great how it covers the critic scare about "all these gay playwrights" of the late 60s. It's rather gossipy, which makes it an easy read, but I think it really is a great book. (The only other thing I've read of Bram's was his first book, Surprising Myself, which I loved as a teen, and I think is worth reading too, but deals with the 70s).
Bra, covers half the book during the era, hanging out with Kramer and White and the weird threesome in the GORGEOUS poetry of James Merrill, who I whose poety I would have never known to read otherwise. Obviously, it is only a bystander's guide to what happened, but I think it helps give some view to the various authors of really, the best.
I would recommend to anyone who hasn't read it, Eminent Outlaws, Christopher Bram's very recent book about the gay authors and playwrights who came of importance post WWII and during the AIDS movement as well as how the lack of gay lit now is a problem. http://www.amazon.com/Eminent-Outlaws-Writers-Changed-America/dp/0446563137 I think it is especially great how it covers the critic scare about "all these gay playwrights" of the late 60s. It's rather gossipy, which makes it an easy read, but I think it really is a great book. (The only other thing I've read of Bram's was his first book, Surprising Myself, which I loved as a teen, and I think is worth reading too, but deals with the 70s).
Bra, covers half the book during the era, hanging out with Kramer and White and the weird threesome in the GORGEOUS poetry of James Merrill, who I whose poety I would have never known to read otherwise. Obviously, it is only a bystander's guide to what happened, but I think it helps give some view to the various authors of really, the best.
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