Either Idina's the most understanding wifey — Page 4

Now, being 15 I can't say I know that much about roleplay. But I'm gonna have to stay with CJR on this one. It's not that it's taboo to talk about it. But I do think it's weird when you roleplay sex with a maternal figure, game or no game. Sorry if that's judging.

But it's all ok because I am tots sticking by my vicious circle of husband and wife getting back at each other. Sad sad.

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I absolutely love that there's been a lengthy discussion about the immorality inherent in All of the Above on this thread. LOVE IT.

From what I have heard she is fairly understanding but in some of her other songs that she wrote when they were broken up before they were married (I believe he cheated on her then) she was still very hurt. So whatever is going on it is still sad to see people get hurt. But there is the saying, once a cheater, always a cheater....

Wooo, CJR on the warpath! You say it, girl!

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Well, judging from your impassioned response, CJR, I clearly hit a nerve, yes?

Yup, I was doing exactly the same thing you were doing--I'm glad you see the absurdity of it now, as it clearly wasn't reading when you ventured outside of your own socially constructed sensibilities. It's hilarious that you're responding with such anger to me when you have displayed the same dismissive attitude not EVEN based on pictures but on one line of a song (well...at least the ideas it lead to...) that falls into too taboo of territory for you to look at the concept objectively. It's way far out from the social norm of what's acceptable and therefore very easy for your average person who thinks within these norms to dismiss without examining it fully--unfortunately, unlike your degrading t-shirt, which somehow has become the norm for what you and many other merely call having a sense of humor. Which is frighteningly short-sighted. But, not entirely your fault--it's a symptom of the culture.

And hey, it's always been my experience that women lacking in the personality department, the intelligence department, the confidence department, the wisdom department, and particularly the self-constructed body-image department who objectify themselves. But I'm not judging. I'm the least narrow minded person you'll ever meet! Ask my friends and family and everyone who knows me! They'll confirm it with you!

Oh no. Am I hitting that pesky self-reflection nerve again?

No, really, dropping the obnoxious tone now...the point is, for everything in somebody else's behavior you're dismissing as nasty or a sign of "issues," someone else can turn that on you just as easily. It's just a lot easier for you to do so here because there's obviously a taboo being discussed, and the general reaction to it IS going to be something along the lines of "ew" or "that's just nasty" because it deviates from a social norm. Finding those targets to dismiss is not exactly the mark of an open-minded individual.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 03:44 AM

BroadwayGirl, have you ever roleplayed during sex? Or even had sex? Or are you only so adamant about the appropriateness of mother-son scenarios because Idina is? I'm not sure how a "Naughty" t-shirt is so much more objectifying than "school girl in knee socks (with pig-tails in her hair)." It's absolutely laughable you attack CJR for "not thinking outside the box" when it comes to flagrant taboos, then turn around and criticize her for having her boobs in her avatar.

So, what, you have problems with everyone BUT Idina daring to express their sexuality? And you accuse others of having deep-seeded issues... Could you possibly be more hypocritical within one post?

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Actually, you didn't hit a nerve. I am, at the moment irritated at something, but it has nothing to do with you. You are entitled to your opinion of me based on whatever you want, and that's fine. But like i said in my last post, it means very little, if anything at all.

I didn't even read the lyrics to the song. I explained that in the post above this one, so I won't do it again.

And I again say that whom ever wants to do that, whatever, more power to them. That is where *I* draw the line. I am willing to try almost anything, but that is just a little much for me. The last time I checked, I'm entitled to that opinion, no?

I should have expounded upon my using the term deep seeded issues. I meant that in a broad term and if I were in that scenario. That's my bad for not being more exact in my response.

And hey, it's always been my experience that women lacking in the personality department, the intelligence department, the confidence department, the wisdom department, and particularly the self-constructed body-image department who objectify themselves.

What makes this paragraph completely laughable is the fact that you basically know nothing about me. Because I'm incredibly intelligent, extraordinarily confident -- been through enough in my life to boggle your mind.... and I DO LOVE MY BOOBS (and I make no qualms about that).

I love anything tongue in cheek that will leave people talking about me or raising an eyebrow. Call it degrading if you want, but it really just boils down to the fact that I have an incredibly sick sense of humor. It certainly doesn't make me a slut, nor does it make me uneducated, closed minded or compensating for something that's "missing."

I am very proud of the person I am and as I said before, I make absolutely NO apologies. So no, you're not hitting any "pesky self reflection nerve." If you want to do that, you're going to have to try a LOT harder.

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Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:02 AM

Breasts are awesome. I'm more likely to think someone is overcompensating when they earnestly declare "I'm incredibly intelligent and extraordinarily confident".

The only really offensive thing about All of the Above is how Idina says "Lady Chassity" instead of "Lady Chastity". Enunciate, sweetheart.

Eh, craww, 'twas just stating fact. If it wasn't 4:10am, I probably would have done it in a little bit of a more humble fashion. lol

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You're so adamant on this, it's kind of off putting.
I'm so adamant about EVERYTHING, it's off-putting Craww. God love the people who put up with it! Seriously.

"You are entitled to your opinion of me based on whatever you want, and that's fine. But like i said in my last post, it means very little, if anything at all.
I know, CJR. That's why you went on so long about it again. Because you don't care.

Really, now, I'm pushing your buttons (hey, that's me), but you do seem to be rationalizing left and right.

And I again say that whom ever wants to do that, whatever, more power to them.
Ah, there we go. That's quite a bit different from saying that it's "nasty" or saying "COME ON!"

Wow. You are really reading WAAAAY too much into a TEE SHIRT
You are really being WAAAAY too short-sighted.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:14 AM

How true, craww. It's been a long day lol (and I completely agree with the rest of your last post).

Broadwaygirl107 -- last time I checked, you aren't the only person on the board. You made some very bold statements and I responded. Don't get it twisted -- it wasn't just for your benefit. (not that Im so sure anybody really cares, but it's not in my nature to let something be said about me and NOT respond to it)

It IS nasty. To me, it is nasty. And like I keep saying, Im entitled to feel that way AND voice my opinion... last time I checked, anyway.

Whoooooaaaa. Wait a minute. IM being short sighted because I won't entertain the notion of jumping into bed with my boyfriend and calling him daddy so I can get off? You HAVE to be kidding me.

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Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:21 AM

I think the "parents bed" thing tends to more of a minor rebellion thing and/or thrill of being caught.

Yeah, I know. It's nasty. But I don't necessarily think it's indicative of deep seated issues, is the thing. I both agree and disagree with both of you. Ambivalence is to me as adamance is to you.

This thread is making me angry because now I legitimately want to listen to All of the Above.

And THAT's why you're being short-sighted. At the risk of sounding like I'm back-peddling (where's orange, she'd point that out!), my sarcastic mumbo-jumbo before was, as I said, pushing your buttons. I don't know you at ALL, and I'm sure the tee-shirt, for you is just a tee-shirt that you wear that's really just something that you find humorous.

But you can't deny the role you play in merely wearing it. The fact that you buy it sends messages to the people who made it about how women see themselves, and it sends messages out to OTHER (less secure, probably younger) women who may have serious body-image issues that men would value them more if they had large breasts than if they were wise, intelligent, and driven. I mean, there's much bigger framework for it. You and your shirt don't exist in a vacuum.

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