Either Idina's the most understanding wifey- Page 4

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 8/3/07 at 9:01pm

Now, being 15 I can't say I know that much about roleplay. But I'm gonna have to stay with CJR on this one. It's not that it's taboo to talk about it. But I do think it's weird when you roleplay sex with a maternal figure, game or no game. Sorry if that's judging.

But it's all ok because I am tots sticking by my vicious circle of husband and wife getting back at each other. Sad sad.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 8/3/07 at 10:46pm

No one knows what goes on inside someone else's relationship. No one knows what private behaviors and agreements exist. And when there's trouble, although it kills me to say this, it's almost always been contributed to by both parties.

Seems like it would be more supportive for fans of Idina to ignore the gossip, rather than over-analyzing, for days on end, a relationship about which no one really knows the real story.

Just sayin...

[Craww]

Posted: 8/3/07 at 11:25pm

I absolutely love that there's been a lengthy discussion about the immorality inherent in All of the Above on this thread. LOVE IT.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 8/3/07 at 11:31pm

Don't be shameful, she is your rainbow.

[wicked_mimi]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 2:07am

From what I have heard she is fairly understanding but in some of her other songs that she wrote when they were broken up before they were married (I believe he cheated on her then) she was still very hurt. So whatever is going on it is still sad to see people get hurt. But there is the saying, once a cheater, always a cheater....

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:20am

You can ask anyone you want and they will back up that "claim of how I see myself." Im tolerant of almost everything that's "taboo" as you keep calling it.

They can do whatever they want. My point was THAT kind of role playing is where I draw the line of what's "okay" and what's not.

Well, aren't you insightful? I happen to think there are some "deep seeded issues" when it comes to fully grown women who wear Hooters shirts, t-shirts that say "Naughty," and take pictures of their chest to put up as their avatar so they can get attention by objectifying themselves. But. I digress...

So basically what you're doing is exactly what you say *I* shouldn't be doing.... and you're judging me..... based on pictures and nothing more. You can think whatever you want of me and at the end of the day, your opinion of me means very little, if anything at all.

But to clear something up, a tee shirt is a tee shirt. What's your problem with Hooters? Or the word Naughty? Im guessing the shirt Im wearing right now would COMPLETELY offend your sensibilities. It reads "who needs brains when you have these?"

By the way, it's called a sense of humor. You could use one.

And for the record, none of the pictures that have ever been used as my avatar were taken solely for that purpose. Ever heard the phrase "if you've got it, flaunt it?" It's been my experience that it's the girls who are lacking in that department are always the ones with some BS to say about it.... Just an observation.

But it's all good.... because you are obviously a far superior person than I...... after all, you HAVE made a judgment about me, my character, morals and ethics based on PHOTOGRAPHS taken in good fun.

I make no apologies about my life, the way I choose to live it OR the fact that I've been blessed with the rack I have. Not for nothing, I love my breasts and most people would be inclined to agree they're pretty spectacular.

And furthermore, I don't need to beg for attention..... I get enough of it on my own without "antics" to enhance it, thankyouverymuch.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 03:20 AM

[bythesword84]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:30am

Wooo, CJR on the warpath! You say it, girl!

[Craww]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:40am

Wooo, CJR on the warpath! You say it, girl!

Say what? More misspelled amateur psychoanalysis, based on some downright prosaic sexual fetishism that was delivered in a harmless pop tune?

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:44am

Well, judging from your impassioned response, CJR, I clearly hit a nerve, yes?

Yup, I was doing exactly the same thing you were doing--I'm glad you see the absurdity of it now, as it clearly wasn't reading when you ventured outside of your own socially constructed sensibilities. It's hilarious that you're responding with such anger to me when you have displayed the same dismissive attitude not EVEN based on pictures but on one line of a song (well...at least the ideas it lead to...) that falls into too taboo of territory for you to look at the concept objectively. It's way far out from the social norm of what's acceptable and therefore very easy for your average person who thinks within these norms to dismiss without examining it fully--unfortunately, unlike your degrading t-shirt, which somehow has become the norm for what you and many other merely call having a sense of humor. Which is frighteningly short-sighted. But, not entirely your fault--it's a symptom of the culture.

And hey, it's always been my experience that women lacking in the personality department, the intelligence department, the confidence department, the wisdom department, and particularly the self-constructed body-image department who objectify themselves. But I'm not judging. I'm the least narrow minded person you'll ever meet! Ask my friends and family and everyone who knows me! They'll confirm it with you!

Oh no. Am I hitting that pesky self-reflection nerve again?

No, really, dropping the obnoxious tone now...the point is, for everything in somebody else's behavior you're dismissing as nasty or a sign of "issues," someone else can turn that on you just as easily. It's just a lot easier for you to do so here because there's obviously a taboo being discussed, and the general reaction to it IS going to be something along the lines of "ew" or "that's just nasty" because it deviates from a social norm. Finding those targets to dismiss is not exactly the mark of an open-minded individual.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 03:44 AM

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:45am

Oh Im not psycho analyzing her. Nor am I speaking under the assumption that Idina and Taye actually do the child/parent role play in the bedroom. Im not one to read too much into lyrics, forget the fact that I don't particularly care for her music.

In any event, I was responding to the very broad topic OF child/parent role play during sex. The only thing Taye and Idina had to do with any of my responses was that they were the topic that initially prompted the 'discussion'.

And my warpath, if you will, had absolutely nothing to do with Taye and Idina.... it was in response to Broadwaygirl107's very bold and uninformed statement of my character.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:57am

BroadwayGirl, have you ever roleplayed during sex? Or even had sex? Or are you only so adamant about the appropriateness of mother-son scenarios because Idina is? I'm not sure how a "Naughty" t-shirt is so much more objectifying than "school girl in knee socks (with pig-tails in her hair)." It's absolutely laughable you attack CJR for "not thinking outside the box" when it comes to flagrant taboos, then turn around and criticize her for having her boobs in her avatar.

So, what, you have problems with everyone BUT Idina daring to express their sexuality? And you accuse others of having deep-seeded issues... Could you possibly be more hypocritical within one post?

[Craww]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 3:58am

It's been my experience that it's the girls who are lacking in that department are always the ones with some BS to say about it.

Oooh, the dreaded hateful Itty Bitty Titty Committee, always trying to keep us big breasted ladies down. Always conspiring against us and our D-cups by using their superior brains and often much prettier faces to try and make us feel ashamed of our body blessings. I'm so glad I don't let them keep me and my twins under wraps, they're just haters.

Kidding. But don't talk about "deep seeded" issues if you're not trying to psycho analyze. It's also best to have a little perspective, in case you get analyzed in return.

BroadwayGirl107, but seriously. You're so adamant on this, it's kind of off putting. I guess I play devil's advocate enough I know there's only so far you can go before it's kind of frustrating hypocrisy.
Updated On: 8/4/07 at 03:58 AM

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:02am

Actually, you didn't hit a nerve. I am, at the moment irritated at something, but it has nothing to do with you. You are entitled to your opinion of me based on whatever you want, and that's fine. But like i said in my last post, it means very little, if anything at all.

I didn't even read the lyrics to the song. I explained that in the post above this one, so I won't do it again.

And I again say that whom ever wants to do that, whatever, more power to them. That is where *I* draw the line. I am willing to try almost anything, but that is just a little much for me. The last time I checked, I'm entitled to that opinion, no?

I should have expounded upon my using the term deep seeded issues. I meant that in a broad term and if I were in that scenario. That's my bad for not being more exact in my response.

And hey, it's always been my experience that women lacking in the personality department, the intelligence department, the confidence department, the wisdom department, and particularly the self-constructed body-image department who objectify themselves.

What makes this paragraph completely laughable is the fact that you basically know nothing about me. Because I'm incredibly intelligent, extraordinarily confident -- been through enough in my life to boggle your mind.... and I DO LOVE MY BOOBS (and I make no qualms about that).

I love anything tongue in cheek that will leave people talking about me or raising an eyebrow. Call it degrading if you want, but it really just boils down to the fact that I have an incredibly sick sense of humor. It certainly doesn't make me a slut, nor does it make me uneducated, closed minded or compensating for something that's "missing."

I am very proud of the person I am and as I said before, I make absolutely NO apologies. So no, you're not hitting any "pesky self reflection nerve." If you want to do that, you're going to have to try a LOT harder.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:02 AM

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:08am

Oh, orange, always there right by my side to respond and accuse me of only thinking of my life because of Idina! You know, I bet I condone smoking cigarettes when one is a vocalist and smoking lots and lots of pot because of Idina too. Oh...but wait. No. No I don't.

"I'm not sure how a "Naughty" t-shirt is so much more objectifying than "school girl in knee socks (with pig-tails in her hair)."
Oh, I don't know...the difference between the bedroom in privacy with your long-time boyfriend and posting the pictures on an internet message board for everyone? The difference between artistically expressing oneself and trying to get attention. Maybe? Come on orange, you're smart. Don't let your hatred towards me warp your vision.

It's absolutely laughable you attack CJR for "not thinking outside the box" when it comes to flagrant taboos, then turn around and criticize her for having her boobs in her avatar.
Wait. WAIT. Did you just call objectifying oneself--especially as a female--a TABOO? Did you just equate it with ROLE PLAYING? Have you turned on your television or walked down the street recently? Or perhaps looked at the pictures that started this thread? Girls walking around acting like sex objects in 2007 is a TABOO? More like its something women are practically being conditioned to do.

[Craww]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:08am

Breasts are awesome. I'm more likely to think someone is overcompensating when they earnestly declare "I'm incredibly intelligent and extraordinarily confident".

The only really offensive thing about All of the Above is how Idina says "Lady Chassity" instead of "Lady Chastity". Enunciate, sweetheart.

[bythesword84]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:09am

Craww, I was merely commenting on the enthusiasm with which CJR posted.

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:11am

Eh, craww, 'twas just stating fact. If it wasn't 4:10am, I probably would have done it in a little bit of a more humble fashion. lol

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:13am

The difference between artistically expressing oneself and trying to get attention.

Wow. You are really reading WAAAAY too much into a TEE SHIRT

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:14am

You're so adamant on this, it's kind of off putting.
I'm so adamant about EVERYTHING, it's off-putting Craww. God love the people who put up with it! Seriously.

"You are entitled to your opinion of me based on whatever you want, and that's fine. But like i said in my last post, it means very little, if anything at all.
I know, CJR. That's why you went on so long about it again. Because you don't care.

Really, now, I'm pushing your buttons (hey, that's me), but you do seem to be rationalizing left and right.

And I again say that whom ever wants to do that, whatever, more power to them.
Ah, there we go. That's quite a bit different from saying that it's "nasty" or saying "COME ON!"

Wow. You are really reading WAAAAY too much into a TEE SHIRT
You are really being WAAAAY too short-sighted. Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:14 AM

[Craww]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:15am

K. If we're just stating facts, the correct phrases you were looking for are "deep seated" and "tongue in cheek".

I think the concept of having sex in the parents bed is actually much skeevier than simple Mommy/Daddy roleplaying, by the way. "I'm your mother" tends to be more of a "mothering role" thing than a "I'm dressed like her, going by her name, wearing her clothing, and using her mannerisms" thing.

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:21am

How true, craww. It's been a long day lol (and I completely agree with the rest of your last post).

Broadwaygirl107 -- last time I checked, you aren't the only person on the board. You made some very bold statements and I responded. Don't get it twisted -- it wasn't just for your benefit. (not that Im so sure anybody really cares, but it's not in my nature to let something be said about me and NOT respond to it)

It IS nasty. To me, it is nasty. And like I keep saying, Im entitled to feel that way AND voice my opinion... last time I checked, anyway.

Whoooooaaaa. Wait a minute. IM being short sighted because I won't entertain the notion of jumping into bed with my boyfriend and calling him daddy so I can get off? You HAVE to be kidding me.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:21 AM

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:26am

"I think the concept of having sex in the parents bed is actually much skeevier than simple Mommy/Daddy roleplaying, by the way. "I'm your mother" tends to be more of a "mothering role" thing than a "I'm dressed like her, going by her name, wearing her clothing, and using her mannerisms" thing."

I think the "parents bed" thing tends to be more of a minor rebellion thing and/or thrill of the possibility being caught. I don't think it's necessarily "Oh boy, my parents have slept here!" But I agree with what you said about the "I am your mother" line. That's the way I took it.

"IM being short sighted because I won't entertain the notion of jumping into bed with my boyfriend and calling him daddy so I can get off? You HAVE to be kidding me."
Uh. No. Not what I said at all. You're being short-sighted because you genuinely believe that a t-shirt is JUST a t-shirt.

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:26 AM

[Craww]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:32am

I think the "parents bed" thing tends to more of a minor rebellion thing and/or thrill of being caught.

Yeah, I know. It's nasty. But I don't necessarily think it's indicative of deep seated issues, is the thing. I both agree and disagree with both of you. Ambivalence is to me as adamance is to you.

This thread is making me angry because now I legitimately want to listen to All of the Above.

[CJR]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:34am

Uh. No. Not what I said at all. You're being short-sighted because you genuinely believe that a t-shirt is JUST a t-shirt.

A tee shirt is just a tee shirt is a broad statement. I was referring to myself when I said it. I should really sleep first or type slower when I respond to sh!t, cause I keep having to clarify.

I am a grown ass woman who is more than capable of handling herself. On me, yes, a tee shirt is just a tee shirt. Let me see my 9 year old niece wearing a shirt like that and I'll beat her from here to Tuesday. That is inappropriate on her and she knows better.

It's all perspective

(ps. Im going to bed. It's 20 to 5am and Im EXHAUSTED)

Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:34 AM

[BroadwayGirl107]

Posted: 8/4/07 at 4:41am

And THAT's why you're being short-sighted. At the risk of sounding like I'm back-peddling (where's orange, she'd point that out!), my sarcastic mumbo-jumbo before was, as I said, pushing your buttons. I don't know you at ALL, and I'm sure the tee-shirt, for you is just a tee-shirt that you wear that's really just something that you find humorous.

But you can't deny the role you play in merely wearing it. The fact that you buy it sends messages to the people who made it about how women see themselves, and it sends messages out to OTHER (less secure, probably younger) women who may have serious body-image issues that men would value them more if they had large breasts than if they were wise, intelligent, and driven. I mean, there's much bigger framework for it. You and your shirt don't exist in a vacuum.
Updated On: 8/4/07 at 04:41 AM