Eli Roth is Despicable- Page 4

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 9:55am

Yeah, but he f**ked the director. Personally, the fact that Bijou Phillips is still "acting" is more terrifying than anything in any Eli Roth movie.

Updated On: 6/5/07 at 09:55 AM

[tazber]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 9:58am

Heather and Bart aren't exactly big draws either.

They also probably don't take this whole thing too seriously, which is a credit to their sense of perspective.
It's just a movie people.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:04am

You're right...it is just a movie. And I know Heather was a willing participant in the making of it. But watching it, I couldn't help feeling like she was exploited.
To me, Mr. Roth has no interest in making a scary movie, he just wants to push the limit at how gross he can be. Gore can be used effectively...like in the truly scary Audition.
During Heather's torture scene I was very uncomfortable. But not because of what was happening to her character. I couldn't help but think of what it was like for Heather and the other actress in the scene to actually film that. A more talented director would have me concerned for the characters, not uncomfortable that his actors were being exploited. But Eli Roth knows nothing about character development just gore.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:16am

Well said ErikJ972! Eli can't write. I saw HOSTEL and it wasn't a horror film. It was a slasher film, and yes there is a difference. The first half of HOSTEL was just horny frat boys talking about getting laid. I was bored. The second half was the torture and gore. Now, if I actually cared about Paxton or the other guys and felt I knew them there torture and death scenes would have more meaning but still, what point or message is Eli trying to make? I keep hearing from people its only a movie, lighten up. Well, I understand its make believe. I loved Peter Jackson's movie DEAD ALIVE. It was so gross and over the top that that camp and extreme violence is what made it fun for me. Eli's films aren't fun for me.There are some people who actually get off with these kinds of movies. I mean, they watch them 24/7. They have conventions where they honor the slasher films in general.

I think the bottom line is its all about money. This is the only type of film Eli Roth knows and will more than likely ever do. Maybe he'll learn on the way, but this gut isn't talented, just lucky.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:20am

It will be interesting to me to see how much money this movie makes. I'm sure it will have a big opening weekend..but I'm curious to see what happens after that. I think this one crossed a line that is going to turn off a lot of people in the audience...even fans of the first one. There already seems to be a growing backlash against it on the web.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:21am

"But watching it, I couldn't help feeling like she was exploited."

So you saw it?

I agree Roth has some growing up to do, but dismissing him out of hand is a bit much. Wes Craven's early films make HOSTEL look like CITIZEN KANE.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:22am

Last House On The Left was summarily dismissed upon it's release and now it is revered as a horror classic. They are even doing a remake.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:24am

Yes...I was unfortunate enough to see it.

You might be right, maybe he does have potential. Even though I didn't like Cabin Fever I thought it showed some promise. He might do better directing things he didn't write. I think his awful screenplays are his biggest problem.

[romantico]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:28am

HOSTEL II has been out there to download since Memmorial day weekend.

***SPOILER****


I saw it and thought the 2nd was worse than the 1st. We see a dick get cut off and head chopped off, the blood bath scene was bad enough but the scream was unlike anything I have heard before in my life.

[RobbO]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:30am

geez erik. hostel II AND legally blonde all in one month? haven't you suffered enough?

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:31am

Taz, have you seen LAST HOUSE or THE HILLS HAVE EYES? They are not classics at all. People just say that because Craven went on to much better things.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:37am

Robb...I'm still not sure which was more gruesome.

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:40am

I HATE The Last House on the Left. I thought it was a laughable yet boring movie.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 10:52am

I've seen Last House. It was the rape scene that everyone went crazy over when it first came out, at least according to the reviews I read on IMDB.
Now, people call it cinematic verisimilitude like it's good thing.
I didn't find the movie shocking or realistic. I do think Craven did a good job with the mood of the piece however.

And, I also was bored SG.

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 11:01am

Cinematic verisimilitude? Jesus... Sometimes a bad movie is just a bad movie.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 11:03am

This thread cracks me up. Oh yea, the Greeks were SOOOO sophisticated and started musical theatre! Right after Medea slaughtered her children and Oedipus gouged his own eyes out!

[tazber]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 11:39am

No doubt SG. Last House was a bad film. But it was one of those
"look at this guy with no budget who beat the system and made an film true to his vision" kind of things. I'n not quite sure what his "vision" was, but he certainly did go on to bigger and better.

The funny thing about me is that while I can watch and like all the hardcore slasher films, the sight of real blood makes me queasy. The fact that I know it is all fake is a major part of why I can enjoy them.
And I find many of these new war films much more disturbing. I have to look away during some of those battle scenes.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:17pm

Walk up to a stranger and say: "Hey, I love watching movies where innocent fictional human beings get horrificly tortured, dismembered and killed in the most extreme and gruesome ways."

See what they think of you then.

The fact of the matter is you enjoy watching a human being's life being taken from them. Fictional or not, they're still human.

Sick sick sick.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:21pm

Oh yea, the Greeks were SOOOO sophisticated and started musical theatre! Right after Medea slaughtered her children and Oedipus gouged his own eyes out!

In any version of MEDEA or OEDIPUS I've ever seen, the graphic portions were done off stage or with a lighting that showed you what has happened...not the actual act.

It's more of an impact when you leave it up to the audience to use their imagination (like many superbly crafted thrillers have done). The Greeks knew what happened...they just didn't need to see it happen.

There's a difference. That arguement holds no water.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:26pm

I know I've been slamming Eli Roth in this thread, but that's just because I think he's one of the worst directors currently churning out crap. I don't think people that enjoy his movies are disturbed.
Like I said before...I DO think Hostel 2 crosses a line. And I am SHOCKED and disgusted that it received an R rating.
Some people will try to argue that the violence in Hostel 2 is so over the top that it's not realistic. I don't think the case. None of the violence in the movie is cartoonish or presented with any sense of humor. I'll be interested to see what Taz, and other fans of Eli, think of it when they finally see it.

[StageManager2]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:41pm

taz is not sick, you c*nt!

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:45pm

i feel the same way about musicals. the sick people who like them need help.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:46pm

People who watch romantic comedies are truly the sick ones. Why fill your head with such untruthful crap?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:48pm

borstal. i will fight you if you go after music & lyrics, so just consider yerself warned, mister.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 6/5/07 at 1:51pm

Sick! Sick! Sick! Twisted minds! Twisted!!