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#325re: Heroes
Posted: 5/21/07 at 11:06pm
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So next season is going to be the older generations of heroes? Linderman, the Peter and Nathan's parents, Hiro's dad, and the old man that Peter took care of?
#326re: Heroes
Posted: 5/21/07 at 11:26pm
I didn't get that, necessarily, from the... epilogue/intro to next season. I don't think that it gave much indication as to what the big arc will be next year.
So...what do we think of the conclusion to season 1?
#327re: Heroes
Posted: 5/21/07 at 11:48pm
It seems that the elder heroes will be at least part of the arc, but I certainly don't think it will be the "main arc"- I think that will be something to do with the other bad guy Molly sees who "Can see her", and of course our cockroach.
I thought the episode was somehow both very rushed and painfully slow, like they were afraid to make it any more complicated. I like the place they decided to go, but it was a tad predictable and anti-climactic.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#328re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 12:04am
I agree. While I wouldn't have called Nathan sacrificing himself as the way that they stopped the bomb, when it happened it wasn't a surprise. I think that there wasn't very much suspense in those final moments, because there were a variety of ways the others could have stopped Peter from exploding, and any way they went, New York wasn't going to go nuclear. It was more like... fitting the final pieces into the puzzle than wondering what was going to happen -- you know the big picture, it's just a matter of how it fits. And I thought that it worked well, but getting there was more exciting than the resolution itself.
Maybe I missed this while I was looking away, but did they ever establish how Nikki got away from Candice? I'm sure they must have.
Also, I'm assuming that Peter's still alive/potentially going to be around for next season, since not even the fall back to earth should kill him.
#329re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 1:05amI thought it was a great ending to a great season. Maybe I just amuse easily.
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#330re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 1:47am
siren - Nikki just punched her upside the head (she turned back into herself and the dead Micah disappeared).
I was somewhat disappointed with it. I thought that NBC was producing Heroes and a new show called Heroes: Generations. Maybe I read it wrong...
#331re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 2:17am
"Tim Kring said the other day that the season finale will introduce new characters that will become central to the story in the second season. “There are several new characters coming in the immediate future,” Kring said. “The idea of the show from the start was always to basically honor the origin story of the first sort of blush and discovery of these powers. And so, in order to do that, new characters will have to be cycled into the show. And by extension, older characters will cycle out of the show.”
By this logic, where the first season was called “Volume One: Genesis,” the second season will be called “Volume Two: Generations.”"
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#332re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 8:03am
The ending was extremely anticlimatic.
Plus, there were SO MANY plotholes!
Everyone else was shooting at Sylar and couldn't hit him, and yet, Sylar decided to keep still for Hiro, giving Hiro time to hesitate and shove the sword through his midsection.
Also, why didn't the cheerleader just shoot Peter - he'll come back to life anyway!!!! It was unecessary for his brother to fly him away in order that he not blow up NYC - someone just needed to kill him!
That was the suckiest season finale I've seen in awhile.
Updated On: 5/22/07 at 08:03 AM
#334re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 8:49amShe couldn't because she is still a kid...she was incapable of shooting someone she really cared about, even if she knew he would come back. I know I wouldn't be able to do it! And, they forced Nathan to make a choice which I loved
#335re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 9:00am
The big issue was that Nathan didn't need to do it.
It wasn't just that she couldn't shoot him- she knew he wouldn't die, and if she didn't then the entire city would blow up, killing her dad too. Also, with Sprague earlier she didn't even have to kill him, just knock him out, why the heck couldn't she do that?
I like that they decided to make Nathan make the sacrifice, but it just really made no sense that he did.
It seems that being torn on it is common:
Erin at TWOP loved the episode:
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a13124
while the EW recapper was very disappointed:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20039679,00.html
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
Updated On: 5/22/07 at 09:00 AM
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#336re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 10:46am
NBC annouced a week and a halk ago that there is going to be a spin-off called Heroes: Origins.
My question is, why couldn't Peter fly himself away? He had already aborbed Nathan's power to fly.
Updated On: 5/22/07 at 10:46 AM
#337re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:03am
Had we ever seen Peter fly on his own?
I thought he had not learned how to control that power yet.
Updated On: 5/22/07 at 11:03 AM
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#338re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:07amI would have loved to have seen Nikki kick a little more ass.
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#339re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:09am
I would have loved to have seen Nikki kick a little more ass.
Are we to assume that Sylar is still alive? Did he drag himself into the manhole. Can her regenerate now? I thought he had to kill someone in order to absorb their power.
#340re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:16am
I wondered about the manhole flash, too.
Peter can fly on his own, but I assume that when he's in distress as he was at that moment, he doesn't have control over his powers. But I agree that Claire -- or Nathan, for that matter -- could as easily have shot him with the same results and without the sacrifice. Though I guess they'd only feel safe if Peter stayed "dead" or the explosion happened and they averted it, so Nathan sacrificed himself to allow Peter to live out his destiny without hurting anyone. (I disagree with Erin that Peter is dead).
Updated On: 5/22/07 at 11:16 AM
#341re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:18am
Re: Sylar, my guess is that he was playing "chicken" with Hiro, since he was unable to get him the first time. I also figure he's so powerful, even though he can't regenerate like Claire and Peter, a mere sword through the torso would not kill him.
Re: Nathan, redemption requires sacrifice in these kinds of stories.
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#342re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:49am
"NBC annouced a week and a halk ago that there is going to be a spin-off called Heroes: Origins."
"The "Origins" series will consist of six stand-alone episodes, with each one introducing a new character and telling his or her back story. They'll take place within the "Heroes" universe but won't be tied into the main arc of the series, although one or two regular characters may pop up."
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#343re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:56am
I think that Claire and Peter both thought that a bullet to the head would have actually killed him. Both of them have had brain injuries that kept them from healing themselves and it would be a much more difficult task to get the bullet out than it was to pull out the large piece of glass. I'm sure she was hoping that some alternative would present itself so she wouldn't have to kill him. Although I do agree that since all she had to do earlier in the season was knock Ted out there was some annoying inconsistancy.
I agree that some elements of the finale were a little lame, especially Simone's father's speech about love. But, I really liked Nathan sacrificing himself to save everyone else. And I have no doubt that Peter survived.
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#344re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 12:11pm
Here's my take: Notice that most, if not all of the 'good guys' have just recently come to know and/or use their powers. The 'bad guys' (Nathan straddled the line throughout) are coming from a place of knowing their gifts and using them mostly for 'evil' So it makes sense that these 'newbies' and their power come from a very emotional place. Why didn't Peter just fly away by himself? He was FREAKED OUT to start with and was in possession of a very unstable power, so it makes sense to me that he was near frozen in fear. Claire couldnt' bring herself to shoot someone she loved, another emotional moment.
To have them just do an all out assault on Sylar would have been way to X-Men for my taste. I like the human aspect of these 'mutants.' A good ending to a great season, leaving me panting for more.
#345re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 12:35pm
This show desperately needs help in continuity. It seems that they simply write whatever they want to make a given story work out with NO interest in how it affects the overall story.
I agree that Peter may have had trouble controling any of his powers, but it does not make the "forced sacrifice" any less lame. Out of 20 possible solutions they picked the one that forced "redemption" on Nathan, but is it really a sacrifice at all- he honestly did not need to do it.
Again, Ted was 100 times closer to blowing up earlier in the season, doesn't even have regenerating power and Claire stopped him without killing him.
Sylar was obviously not dead, and it seems odd that they thought he was, it was again ridiculous.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#346re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 2:07pmRemember that when Clare stopped Ted she has some sort of shot that she had to give him, and they made it really clear that there was nothing that anyone could do that could stop the explosion, it was going to happen. I think that if Clare would have shot him that it was have triggered the explosion, and that Peter tried anything, he would explode, and that Nathan making that scarrifice was the only solution.
#347re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 3:03pm
That seems pretty obviously what they want you to think, it just does not follow from the events of the show at all.
They only made it clear that this explosion was going to happen by constantly saying it was going to happen. It was incredibly shoddily executed.
I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.
#348re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 3:09pm
ted had time (years?) to get used to and control his power. peter did not. and from the way the events unfolded it suggested the peter was much stronger/powerful than ted ever was. remember ted never exploded or came close to it, so there is no "continuity problem."
and it was suggested that the convergence of all the heroes and their powers coming together in peter may have also led to his instability/nuclear-ness.
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#349re: Heroes
Posted: 5/22/07 at 3:42pmI agree, RobbO. The other powers he used at will, but that one just seemed to happen and he just seemed to have no control over it.
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