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[DayDreamer]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 3:55pm

I agree... I thought it was pretty clear she blew her brains out.

I'm still baffled at Peter blowing up... maybe the 'fire' guy was nearby or something? And didn't it seem like his brother had an evil look as he was coming towards him?

[gumbo2]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 4:01pm

Yeah I was thinking it has something to do with the radioactive guy from a couple of episodes ago. And yeah it definitely looked like Eden did it herself. Also, in the last scene all the car doors had one door open...I thought that was strange.

[ComaBaby01]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 5:16pm

i to agree that Eden (or Eve, w/e) killed herself to prevent Sylar from getting her VERY crucial and important power.

i think the car doors were open to show that people in fact got out of their cars. and ran. but what gets me is that all the "heroes" were around Peter when he "exploded" so that would obviously mean that they would be immediately all killed off. so if that flash-forward is going to in fact happen, someone want to tell me how there will be a season dos?

If you remember way back a ways, when Peter is on the subway with Mohinder and "future hiro" comes to him, he mentions that he doesn't recognize him without his scar... perhaps Peter survives the explosion after all? lol just hoping i suppose. we all know that NBC (which has been saved by this show, btw) won't have the explosion happen so the series can obviously continue.

[Nina Myers]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 6:39pm

"Destiny should lose our number"

[jasonf]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 7:39pm

I thought Nathan had an evil look also -- I was expecting the brothers to start fighting.

And WHAT was with Hiro and the dinosaur??? I can't WAIT to see how THAT one plays out!!!

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 12/5/06 at 8:14pm

I'm thinking Museum of Natural History... telekinetic powers...

[~FloweryFriend~]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 3:57am

SPOILERS!!!



1. I think Eden did kill herself... If she shot herself in the brain, then there's a chance she has stopped Sylar from taking her power... but it seemed there was a struggle. If she shot herself in the face or something, he could still probably get it.

2. How did Sylar know that Eden was vulnerable? Could he somehow sense that the big black guy had left the building?

3. Why didn't Eden's persuasion work on Sylar in that scene?

4. I thought initially that the radioactive guy would be involved in the big bomb, but it doesn't appear he was. While watching the scene, I, too, thought that the explosion was a result of Peter absorbing too much power... but how close does he have to be to someone in order to absorb that power?

5. How will it come about that ALL of the heroes would be on the same street in NYC at a given time?

6. If that explosion does indeed happen, would Claire survive it? If Claire does survive it, will Peter survive it because she's near?

7. Peter absorbs other people's powers. Do you think there's a chance that by being near him, other heroes would also be getting his power, and therefore, each others? (I know this is a stretch, but I'm trying to think of a way that Claire's power could protect all of them)

8. Wouldn't Hiro be able to stop time before he explodes and move him somewhere? Like, if water stopped moving and Hiro wouldn't displace it, couldn't he walk on water and move Peter to the middle of the Atlantic or something?

9. If Sylar does kill Isaac, I think it's less because he wants to absorb his power and more because he wants him to stop painting the future.

10. Since that chick from the diner had a brain tumor, is there any chance that Sylar now has a brain tumor?

11. When Peter was with Sylar, could he have absorbed all of Sylar's powers?

12. Since in that last scene, all the cars had a door open, is there any chance that Hiro had stopped time and saved all the non-Heroes from their cars? If so, why didn't he save the heroes? Did he think that they were supposed to be there? (and if so...Did Sylar repaint something of Isaac's to mislead Hiro?)

13. I think that Peter's scar MUST come from the explosion.

14. I don't think that Hiro and the dinosaur has to do with a museum. I have a feeling that he goes back in time to stop the explosion and over-shoots. But it is indeed interesting that his response to the painting was "I have to find that sword". He's not hiding from his future, he's not waiting around for it... he's seeking it out... even if it's dangerous.

15. Nathan ALWAYS has an evil look, and he always seems as though he's about to start something with Peter... I wouldn't look too far into it. (Note: he's married to Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks in real life... not that his marriage is relevant here, I just felt like pointing it out.)

16. I don't think that Nikki has a power. Her sister Jessica had power, and now she's coming through her living (twin?) sister in order to use it. Obviously Jessica had some form of super-strength (did you see the way she threw D.L.? MAN!), and there is that superstition about twins being psychicly connected... It'd be pretty X-Files, but I wouldn't rule it out from this show.

17. Nathan and Peter both have powers. Their mother said that their father had major issues... Was he a Hero that couldn't handle it?

18. What were the Petrillis going to testify against their father about? I was confused on that.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 5:31am

FF, good set of questions!

1. Eden definitely killed herself. You can see it on Sylar's face. He can't believe she'd do that to herself.

2. I'm not convinced it's the Haitian who can nullify powers. I think it's Claire's dad.

3. Perhaps Sylar, by being close enough to her once and being affected by it, now knew how to at least avoid falling prey to it.

5. I don't think that was a real event he was seeing in his head. Much like the scene in the beginning of the episode with Nathan becoming Sylar, it's representational.

10. Sylar doesn't end up killing Google Girl (the girl in the diner). Hiro, when he comes back, mentions she was going to die anyway - from the tumor, which is what has actually killed her in the current timeline now.

11. Peter definitely absorbed something that made him sick (as you could see in the jail scene). I think it's Claire's dad.

15. Adrian Pasdar spoilered in an interview and said his character goes to "a very dark place" by the end of the season. So, yeah, he probably is up to something.

16. I think Jessica is a defense mechanism of Niki's right now. Much like the incredible Hulk or Jekyll and Hyde, only the buried aspect of her psyche can access her powers.

18. They were testifying about their father's involvement with that mob boss in LA. The one who tried to bribe NAthan with Niki in his bed and the one who also sold him back Isaac's painting.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 7:09am

Can anyone explain why my post is on this thread but is not showing up as existing on the main board?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 7:19am

That's because you're a non-entity.

[StageManager2]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 7:19am

Damn slow BWW!

Updated On: 12/6/06 at 07:19 AM

[JACXR71]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 10:09am

Bway, how do we know that the tumor is what killed her now?

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 10:41am

Jac, hiro confronts her about saving her life, whereupon she reveals she has a brain tumor and is going to die.
when hiro returns to the diner, it's still the same day, the memorial to her death is already up, all the police and evidence of them are gone (it isn't much more than a few hours of time since he's gone), and Hiro mentions he "still couldn't save her." It's implied but I'm almost 100% certain Sylar doesn't get her in the Hiro-revised history.

[JACXR71]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 10:51am

That makes sense, but what confuses me is - remember in Monday night's episode when Mohinder is on the phone to the FBI, and he mentions "Charlene's" death in Odessa as being connected? I took that to mean she was still killed, but who knows.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 10:55am

Is he mentionign Charlene's death? I think he's mentioning

*******SPOILER*************

Claire's cheerleader friend, whom he assumes is someone with power since she's de-brained like all the rest.

Also, I just read someone else's little breakdown of the episode in which Hiro tries to save Charlie. When Charlie was "killed" by Sylar, we only see her from the forehead down.
When she reveals she has a clot or tumor or whatever, the episode ends with a voiceover of Mohinder saying "we cannot run from our destiny" and it shows Charlie dying again in a very similar fashion.
In other words, it looks strikingly like Sylar never killed her in the first place, it was an anuerysm bursting or some such.
A bit of a stretch but I think the point was indeed that Sylar didn't get her.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 1:30pm

I'll leave a little space in case this is spoilerish.




The cheerleader who died is named "Jackie" though. And Mohinder says "Charlene Andrews was killed 2 days ago, Midland, Texas."
That can't be Jackie.

I can't rewatch the episode where Charlie is killed, so I can't see if the death scenes look any different.

It would be nice if somehow Hiro were able to have revised the history, but I just don't see it.

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 1:40pm

*spoiler conversation*



I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea that Charlie died of the brain tumor. Hiro was unable to save her... she never took the trip to Japan he wanted her to take with him to get her away. I don't recall seeing anything relating to her dying of the brain tumor. The scene in the episode where she died certainly looked like Sylar had killed her... cut along the forehead and stuff.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 1:58pm

If Mohinder said Charlene died, that's who he meant. They SURELY set up that Hiro adventure 6 months in the past - to me, anyway - to suggest that she was going to die one way or another.
They made a LOT of errors with that regardless, then, because he returns within hours of leaving Ando and the polic tape and EVERYTHING is gone, making it appear Charlie was merely a victim of a tragic illness, not a murder (ever see a tribute wall go up like that while the police were still taking out the body?).

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 2:15pm

I really liked ~FF~'s questions as well, so I figured I would take a stab at them.




1. Total agreement on the "she killed herself" issue


2. I like the idea that maybe it is H.R.G. who is the power nullifier, but that does not explain why the Hatian (Mindblower) seems to be the one to bring down Matt. I do think Sylar knew he could overpower her because neither of them were around.

3. I agree with Bway, after she used it once on him he adapted to where it wouldn't affect him, possibly because he knew it was coming this time and could counteract it.

4. I still think that Ted (Radioactive Man) has something to do with the explosion.
I think (and there may be NO evidence for this at all) that Peter has to touch someone to absorb their power. (Like Rouge)

5. I agree that Peter's dream was likely representational, but I do think it is very likely that all the heroes wind up in NYC near Nathan's campaign headquarters, trying to stop the attack.

6. I think they are going to stop the explosion from happening. And agree that the dream was not literal.

7. Peter's power is to take the power from the other heroes, I think giving powers to someone else would be a different ability.

8. Again while I don't think the actual event will happen, I found this interesting. I think the answer is yes, but since Hiro has to do all the work while time is stopped I don't think he could get the source of the danger that far away. While he is getting more and more control, I don't think he will ever be able to stop time indefinately.

9. I think Sylar wants ALL the powers, he wants complete control over everything, I think he might not care to sit around painting, but he would be very satisfied that he COULD.

10. I don't think it would work that way, and she didn't have a tumor. She said it was a blod clot.

11. I think Peter might have been able to absorb all of Sylar's powers. But it is also possible that since Sylar's power is not "natural" then he couldn't. I think Bway's idea that HRG made Peter sick somehow is very interesting, I was thinking maybe he just hadn't touched Claire long enough or something.


14. I think there are many options with that, although I was thinking maybe that was a scene from a distant future, Isaac hadn't regained control so he see's Hiro in a different battle. (one that I expect to be too CGI intensive for the show. )

15. Nathan has never been "good" I expect he will need to make a "dark side or light side" choice that turns the course of the series.

16. I agree with "Hulk" for Niki. I hope she stops with the pouting and they actually do something to integrate the ikiN/Niki/DL/Michah storyline with the others.

17. I thought that at the begining, now I think he may have just been a random crook.

18. Bway answered the direct one directly.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 2:18pm

I agree Bway, my one big complaint with the series has been how they handled this incident.
(well that and the deathly boredom that is any scene with Mohyawnder.)
I hope they explain it one way or another, but it certainly looks like they want us to think Sylar still got her. But that even if he hadn't she would have died.
The thing is, if she didn't leave town, why wouldn't Sylar have been able to kill her. Hiro didn't give her any other way to escape him.

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 4:19pm

RE: the Haitian, in the episode when the cheerleader (I'm terrible with names) crashes the car, and they erase the jock's memory, the dad brings in the Haitian, no? I'm trying to remember if the dad leaves at that point.

It's interesting that I never got that impression about Charlie's death. My thought is that for a while there were two Hiro's walking around, one that got transported to Japan and had to find his way back.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 4:53pm

DD, the dad does leave whenever the Haitian works his mojo, but it also appears that he's in the room (or nearby) for the Haitian to work his charms on Matt in the interrogation room.
I'm still clinging to my rocksteady theory (heh) that Mr. Bennett (or HRG) has the power to nullify powers but it's controllable...or extendable to directly affect only one person. He doesn't fear removing the tape over Eden's mouth in the flashback when they capture her...but the Haitian is there. But I repeat he's nowhere near Sylar both times Bennett goes into the lock room.

As for Google Girl (Charlie - I love that she's been named that on the net), Sylar SHOULD, at some point, exhibit 100% total recall memory, or perhaps they'll mention something how her blood clot prevented him from seeing how her powers worked as well.
And that's another direct link to Sylar being able to block Eden's power. His power is seeing how they work, so there's even the possibility that he could learn how to use your powers if you use them on him.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 4:58pm

there were 2 Hiro's, remember, he called himself on the phone, and quickly hung up the phone.

[xxnewgirlxx]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 6:16pm

I have a question: who were the parents murdered by Sylar in the episode where we first meet Matt? Remember how he saved the life of the little girl by hearing her thoughts as she hid under the staircase?

Have they been on the show "alive" yet? And what were their powers?

[xxnewgirlxx]

Posted: 12/6/06 at 6:16pm

Oops...double post. Updated On: 12/6/06 at 06:16 PM