Skip to main content
Shop Merch Add a Show Listing
My Shows
News on your favorite shows, specials & more!

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God. — Page 2

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.

#28

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

If you do not like the limitations of the health benefits offered...work for a different employer.

If you do not like the benefits offered to the employees of the store you patronize...stop shopping there.

I know people try to offer support but I think the best support is to stop spending money in their store, stop working for them, etc

Money talks, B.S. walks.
#30

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

Watching Fox it's interesting to see the pundits talk about this being all about rights and choices and freedom- it seems to me that even under the ACA, Hobby Lobby employees are free to choose to use birth control or not. This ruling effectively restricts them from choosing to practice birth control because the owners believe it to be sinful. Interesting that God gave man free will and Hobby Lobby chooses to take it away.
#31

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

Hmmm - if I was still in litigation I might just argue that Hobby Lobby has effectively demonstrated that the corporation is in fact an extension of their personal ideas and interests, and therefore, the limited liability protections of a corporation are now gone, since clearly, the corporation is not an independent legal entity, but an extension of the personal religious views of its owners.

They cannot have it both ways - they cannot set up a corporation to limit individual responsibility and exposure while at the same time use the corporation to advance their personal religious beliefs. If I was a plaintiff's attorney, and had a lawsuit against the corporation, I would name all of the sitting officers as Doe defendants and argue that their own conduct has demonstrated that the corporation is an extension of them.

And, I hope for the Dems this ruling energizes its base and gets people out to vote for the midterms.

#32

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

Hey, JoeKv:

1. Employees have the free will to leave any private company at which they do not agree with said private entity's values and/or policies.

2. This employer also has the free will to not provide health insurance to its employers and, instead, pay a fine to the government (but they are not).

3. Employees at Hobby Lobby and two other corporations privy to this lawsuit still have the free will to use 16 of the 20 birth control options covered by their employer or, if they'd prefer the four listed in this ruling, they can pay out of pocket. That's their choice and their free will to do so.
#37

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

I think the Supremes split the baby in an appropriate way by keeping the decision very narrow. Closely held corporations are frequently owned by families or single individuals who should not be expected to leave their ethical principles at the door. And if employees don't agree, they are not required to work there. Any broader decision in either direction would have trampled on the First Amendment in some respect.
#40

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

Then Closely Held Corporations should not provide asset protection to those who found them - they are supposed to be a separate and distinct legal entity. If you treat the corporation as an extension of yourself, then you should lose the asset protection component of the corporation, and be personally liable for its losses. You cannot have it both ways.
#41

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

I personally believe so, Reg. But we may never know until some other corporation turns around and tries to use this ruling in support of eliminating birth control coverage all together. From what I understand, however, no corporation could use this ruling as case law or precedent for such a broader argument. That is part of the reason many analysts believe this ruling is not as legally significant as it is politically and socially significant.
#42

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

The thin edge of the wedge -- this is just the beginning. Soon Hobby Lobby will be able to discriminate against their gay employees by denying their spouses coverage. The lawsuits have only just begun.

So choose your sides, folks. People are going to have to be very very careful about who they work for now.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#45

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

The practical result will likely be an administrative fix by the Obama administration that subsidizes the contraceptives at issue, said CNN political analyst Gloria Borger. "So in terms of a real gap in medical coverage for these women, should they want it, I think what you are going to see is the government sort of picking up where Hobby Lobby would leave off," Borger said.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest signaled as much, telling reporters the Obama administration will work with Congress to ensure women affected by the ruling will continue to have coverage for contraceptives.


Updated On: 6/30/14 at 02:24 PM

#46

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

It's a horrible decision, horribly written. Can't wait until someone tries to leverage this decision from a different political leaning, then they neocons will go grazy.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
#47

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

Wait until a Muslim owned company refuses to give Christian staff the day off on December 25.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#48

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

If they'd have objected to all 16, would the outcome have been different?

Actually no, Reggie. (AND STOP OFFERING "CENTRIST" OPINIONS WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED AS TO THE ISSUES, HEADBANG.)

The reason the suit named these four and these four only is that they are considered abortifacients as opposed to contraceptives.





Updated On: 6/30/14 at 02:43 PM

#49

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

You may have been building an alternate reality and second life on here since 2004, but that doesn't give you the right to tell me what I can and cannot do. You do not own this website. Rob Diamond does. Ask politely and remove the obnoxious CAPS LOCK, and I'll be happy to stop. Strangely enough, I've actually agreed on a number of the posts you've made here in the last few weeks. One day common ground will be found.
#50

Hobby Lobby decides they're a religion instead of a business, so they don't have to answer to the government, just God.

"If you do not like the limitations of the health benefits offered...work for a different employer."
This argument drives me crazy. As if it's that easy. Especially for low wage, low skilled workers in this job market. But who cares about low wage workers right?


Exactly.

And why is it always the worker who is told to forego legal protection and "go find another job"?

If the owners of Hobby Lobby don't like the law, they can just sell their company, can't they?

BroadwayWorld TV


Ticket Central
Hot Show
Tickets From $58
Hot Show
Tickets From $71
Hot Show
Tickets From $71
Hot Show
Tickets From $71