I Sincerely Apologize From the Bottom of My Heart...- Page 3

[RobbO]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:00pm

speaking of esther rolle, has anyone seen her ad on adultfriendfinder?
esther's ad

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:00pm

As opposed to whether or not a microphone has deeper meaning in Spring Awakening. It represents a penis for god sake.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:04pm

A microphone ALWAYS has deeper meaning...except those little lapel ones.

[RobbO]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:05pm

actually to us little people, the lapel microphones have great meaning....

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:11pm

I'm aware that the off-topics aren't kept to any regulatory topics and such, I was merely acknowledging that some of the things I read around here between an older crowd and a younger crowd give me the creeps sometimes in that you don't really know who you could be talking to. That is my opinion, as well as a few others around here, and since it is a message board after all I hope I am entitled to at least that.

In fact lil, I had a good talk about Last King with you the other day, I don't complain about the rest of what people post around here. Just because I realize that most of it is pretty banal or ridiculous does not scare me away from this side of the board.

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[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:30pm

I'm just grateful I completely missed all the drama.

[robbiej]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:30pm

'but do you really think an earnest, serious, dangerous sex offender would look to BWW for victims?'

Absolutely and without question.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:31pm

do you really think an earnest, serious, dangerous sex offender would look to BWW for victims?

Of course! What better place than a message board mostly about musical theatre that is just brimming with young people questioning their sexuality? There was a poster who invited people to his hotel while he was visiting in NYC, you know, just to hang out?

And for the record I did not say "illegal" I said "inappropriate".
But if the mods don't care, why should I. When this board gets shut down (as I am sure it will someday) the people I care to stay in contact with have my information.

[shameless]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:33pm

First, let me just say that I respect C's opinion and don't entirely disagree. However, I never post on the main board. I think the majority of those threads start out at asinine and only go down hill from there. I've read much more intelligent theatre related discussions on this board.

Also, I don’t disagree with the need for the adults to be more careful in their interaction with the minors around here. It’s the FUBAR approach that was taken on the matter, which I have a problem with.

[RobbO]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 2:43pm

"the people I care to stay in contact with have my information."

i'll call ya later, sueleen.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:05pm

Well, robbiej and Sueleen, I guess you're much more aware of what sex predators go for--if I was one, I'd pick a site where I could actually find people to hurt that live in this country. You'd also have to find out their sex, age, location--all of which would have to be volunteered--if people link their myspace accounts, that's on them and also the province of myspace, not BWW. I don't know why a molester would do that when he could easily go to myspace or facebook and find far more young people questioning their sexuality, and a search feature to filter out and find exactly what they want--BWW doesn't offer that option.

I would imagine that the young gays here know they're gay, otherwise, they wouldn't be here.

And if someone invites people to his hotel room to hang out, that's on him and anyone who takes him up on his offer. I don't see how that's any more dangerous than inviting boys to go to Splash for cocktails--I mean, yes, it's a public place but if someone is out to hurt someone, that won't make a difference.

We all run the risk by revealing who we are online--I was wary to post my head shots since it also had my name on there, but I knew the risk I was taking. Any human interaction carries a certain degree of risk--we're violent, unpredictable animals...I just don't think BWW is quite the shark pool some here seem to think it is.

[RobbO]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:09pm

i, for one, think that bww is way more dangerous than splash. i've never been verbally assaulted or stalked while at splash...

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:11pm

lildogs, although I see your reasoning for a lot of that,can you just explain this a little more?

"I would imagine that the young gays here know they're gay, otherwise, they wouldn't be here."

Does me knowing that I am gay earn me an invitation, is that how I got here?

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[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:18pm

There was/is one very young poster here that DID reveal enough information that someone could (and DID) get his address, school,even the names of his parents and their phone numbers. This was done to show how easy this information is to acquire with very little information, and not for any kind of sexual reason. It was, and continues to be a problem here that kids just are not aware of all the little clues that a savvy person could put together to find out more.

Lildogs, we obviously don't see eye to eye on this and some of your comments above are more than a little odd. Do you REALLY think all the gay youth on this board are secure in their sexuality? I don't even think all the ADULTS are.
But whatever. We will just have to agree to disagree as the cliché goes.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:20pm

Anybody with a Bette Davis avatar from BEYOND THE FOREST should know the answer to that; seriously, I think it's a well-known and mostly true stereotype that gay guys and theatre go fist in...well, you know...I'd imagine that most of the guys who post here are gay--exceptions of course, but it's one of the few places where you'd find gay folks posting unabashedly--and yes, I loved our LAST KING talk....

[robbiej]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:23pm

'but it's one of the few places where you'd find gay folks posting unabashedly'

Which is exactly why it would be attractive to those who would like to take advantage of not-legal gay boys.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:24pm

I'm not contesting the fact, merely debating it. I understand the stereotypes and such, I'm just figuring that is why it COULD make for a breeding ground of all sorts.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:35pm

"There was/is one very young poster here that DID reveal enough information that someone could (and DID) get his address, school,even the names of his parents and their phone numbers. This was done to show how easy this information is to acquire with very little information, and not for any kind of sexual reason. It was, and continues to be a problem here that kids just are not aware of all the little clues that a savvy person could put together to find out more. "

Hon--that could happen on any website and if you give out your personal information, either here on the bathroom stall, you have then placed the onus onto yourself--one can't cry "Foul!" when one has set up a criminal with all he needs--the same would be true if someone posted his financial information here and then someone robbed him. And it sounds like a set-up--why wlse would someone deliberately bait a trap?

"Lildogs, we obviously don't see eye to eye on this and some of your comments above are more than a little odd. Do you REALLY think all the gay youth on this board are secure in their sexuality? I don't even think all the ADULTS are."

Once again, not the fault of BWW--there's not some psychological battery of tests that we all take to make sure we're all secure in our sexuality--I'd say we're as secure as anyone else--that shouldn't prevent discussion and legit but frank talk. I mean, we don't make sure papa isn't insane before we let him post--lots of people post opinions that seem a little wacky (myself included) but that's LIFE. And being secure in your sexuality isn't anything like being secure in your sexual preference. Of that I'm VERY secure--but nobody is 100% secure in their sexuality--except maybe Danny Pintauro.

"But whatever. We will just have to agree to disagree as the cliché goes. "

I also think we're talking about two different things.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:40pm

one can't cry "Foul!" when one has set up a criminal with all he needs

Legally speaking, you are incorrect. One could absolutely cry foul, and one's parents could make serious problems for Rob and Craig.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:44pm

Lildogs, I think we ARE talking about two different things. Yes, this could happen ANYWHERE. However, there are ADULTS on this site that are initiating sexual conversations with young teenagers. THAT is my complaint. Where is THEIR sense of propriety? THAT IS MY POINT.

[robbiej]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:46pm

To be honest, lil, I think I have no idea what you're talking about.

The onus is not on the victim...ever. It's on the criminal. Yes...stupid mistakes can be made. Particularly by someone 13 or 14 who may not realize that posting seemingly innocuous information can lead to trouble further down the line.

Young teens are simply not as far along in their development as someone in their 20's, 30's or older. That's why there are laws protecting them. Teens, for the most part, are treated differently by the Courts in this country.

I hope I'm misreading you, but you seem to be placing equal responsibility on the predator and the victim. Young teens LEGALLY do not have the capability of making such decisions, which is why the onus is always on (and, frankly, should be on) the adults.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 3:47pm

C, I never said I don't "drivel".....and I can see your point.....I just don't participate in the sexual banter, not why I am here.

[lildogs]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 4:00pm

If I were on the jury, I'd have a very difficult time convicting someone of a crime in which he was enabled by the victim--simple as that. Yes, it's a kid--but people that age are tried as adults all the time in this country and if the courts can consider them adult when they hurt someone, they should also consider them adults in sexual matters.

An arbitrary age for sexual maturation is just that--an arbitrary age--are 13 year olds any more adjusted than 18 year olds? Maybe, maybe not. Is an 8th grader any more mature than a 10th grader? Again, maybe...

"The onus is not on the victim...ever."

Wrong--how many rape trials have ended in acquittal due to the victim's sexual history or behavior? Certainly more than one...

"Young teens LEGALLY do not have the capability of making such decisions, which is why the onus is always on (and, frankly, should be on) the adults. "

Again, wrong--I mentioned before that teens are regularly tried as adults, meaning their actions were the actions of a mature person in control of their faculties...whether it's killing a friend by accident practicing wrestling moves or banging a friend practicing wrestling moves...

I'm not placing EQUAL responsibility, I'm just not absolving a victim who set himself up to be hurt. I find it VERY hard to believe that a young person who is computer savvy and sexually curious would be totally unaware of the risk he/she was taking by putting personal information on the web. This kid would have to be living under a rock, which if he's posting on an internet web site, he certainly isn't. He knows it's a risk--it may be one he's willing to take, but he'd have to be mentally challenged to think it's perfectly safe--in which case he shouldn't be posting on the internet unsupervised in the first place--on ANY site.
When we were kids, they told us not to talk to strangers. It's different when the kid is 7, once puberty sets in, the rules change.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 4:04pm

-how many rape trials have ended in acquittal due to the victim's sexual history or behavior?

which is why we have rape shield laws.

once puberty sets in, the rules change.

hence the old adage, old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

[robbiej]

Posted: 5/17/07 at 4:08pm

Regularly tried as adults?

Regularly?

Really?