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#126

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:42pm

"A better question is why were you rooting around in someone else's trash in the first place."

I thought it was clearly obvious when I said they were thrown into the street, that I wasn't digging through someone's trash.

"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2

#127

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:46pm

Great! Now we have The Gospel According To GuitarGirl!

To think this all springs from the simple thought, "Imagine No Religion."

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#128

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:46pm

That would be interpreting the Bible literally then. And you don't know how many people hold one point of view or the other. Maybe a majority of the people here hold the literal point of view, but elsewhere they might interpret it differently. Take the whole world into account, and you might find that those numbers are changed.

That Asian girl might also find the need to have something to believe in, and hope that her family at least is not just dead and nothing more, but in a better place.

It's easy to think of all the bad things that happen in the world, but there's a lot of good things as well that happen, including good that comes out of the bad.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#129

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:53pm

So, again, it comes down to you wanting to believe that we survive death?

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#130

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:58pm

Well, does it come down to you wanting (again) to believe that we don't survive death?

You gave your opinion on that little girl's reaction, most likely if she did not believe in surviving death, and I'm giving mine.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#131

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:03pm

You all keep quoting the bible as if God himself wrote it.

He didn't.

As a matter of fact, the human beings who did write it (and they all injected their personal opinions into their stories) were born hundreds of years after the fact.

It’s like that game we used to play when we were kids called ‘Telephone’ where you told something to someone and then they whisper it to the person sitting next to them until it goes all the way around the room. Only the stories in the bible were told and re-told for hundreds of years before anyone wrote them down.

And how many different ‘versions’ of the bible are there? It’s like a car accident. You are going to get a different ‘version’ of the story from ever witness.

I have a hard time believing ANYTHING in the bible.

#132

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:06pm

I don't "want" to believe that we don't survive death any more than I "want" to believe that there isn't boiling ice and freezing sun flares.

Death is the end and you've got this life and it'd be terrific if there was a great afterlife family reunion because it's really sad to admit that we're not going to see our dead loved ones again, but, sometimes, LIFE IS SAD.

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#133

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:13pm

Life is sad, whether you believe in life after death or not. It doesn't even need to be about who you see when you die, just what happens to us. I'm not so sure I can accept the idea that we lived our lives just to die and rot underground.

I don't see how it is bad to believe in that either. The people who believe it aren't happy all the time, and they don't hide from sadness.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#134

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:18pm

Namo, I also do not believe that an afterlife is likely, but there is no "evidence" to prove that point. We do not yet know the science to such an extent that the wide range of possibilities are closed. There is no proof for the claim, either way.
Although I will readily admit evidence we have points to your position being the truth.

Theatrediva, it is precisely that that makes study of the bible interesting to me. Study of the authors, and what they were trying to say, who they were talking to and how some things were changed later is far more fascination, and revealing than if it had been "written by God".

I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.

#135

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:21pm

There is also a lot of evidence to back up an afterlife. So both an afterlife and a non-afterlife are at a draw of sorts.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#136

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:24pm

Evidence of an afterlife?
Is this the type of "evidence" like that the dinosaurs are only a couple thousand years old?
I certainly have seen no such evidence.

I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.

#137

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:27pm

What about those who have seen ghosts? Or apparitions? That is evidence. People have actually seen them.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#138

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:30pm

First, I don't believe them, I think they are confused or delusional.
Second, is that really what you consider "afterlife", is that what you then believe happens to everyone, because if so, shouldn't there be far more ghosts around?

I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.

#139

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:31pm

No, people have not actually seen them. It is not evidence of anything.

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#140

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:32pm

People have seen them. Therefore, they are evidence of something.

I don't consider it the afterlife as a whole, but perhaps part of the afterlife.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#141

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:37pm

I certainly would hope for some more compelling arguments to be forthcoming at some point.

Using that "logic" aliens are real too I presume, do they have the same God that the Christians do?

I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.

#142

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:39pm

There are no such things as ghosts, GuitarGirl. That people have "seen" ghosts does not change that fact.

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#143

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:40pm

So if someone you knew said that they had seen an apparition or "ghost-like" vision, would you denounce them as crazy?

You may not have seen a ghost of any type, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

"I'm sort of like a child genius without being a child or a genius."~Tim Rice-Oxley

#144

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:42pm

i see dead people...and ufos. -- dennis kucinich in the passion of the elf

r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.

...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty

pray to st. jude

i'm a sonic reducer

he was the gimmicky sort

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#145

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:43pm

I've seen dead people, and so has my partner.

It's proof that we've seen dead people. That's all.

#146

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:43pm

Indeed 'ambo. Sounds like fun to me.

But just because someone claims they have seen one doesn't mean they exist.
I don't think all people who claim to have seen ghosts are crazy or lying, I just don't think they have seen a ghost. Some of them may have seen something that their brain tricked them into thinking was a ghost.

I stand corrected, you are as vapid as they say.

Updated On: 12/11/07 at 06:43 PM

#147

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:48pm

So if someone you knew said that they had seen an apparition or "ghost-like" vision, would you denounce them as crazy?

No, I would say that they thought they had seen an apparition or a "ghost-like" vision. But that what they thought they had seen was neither an appartion nor a "ghost-like" vision.

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#148

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:49pm

"dennis kucinich in the passion of the elf"

I loved that film! "I wish the ring had never come to me...!"

I too have seen/sensed spirit activity. In fact, I had someone break up with me because I explained about a spirit that was (living)in a bedroom on the third floor of his house. Too much info is not a good thing to share.

Updated On: 12/11/07 at 06:49 PM

#149

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:50pm

I was following GuitarGirls argument until she brought up the ghosts.

I think a earlier poster put it best when they said that arguing about religion will get you nowhere when the point of religion is to believe that your religious beliefs are the right ones.Otherwise why do it?

GuitarGirl, a big part of Christianity is believing/having faith in the unseen/unknown. There is NO proof of an afterlife, but that doesn't take away your right to believe in it, the point of almost all religions is believing in things that can't be proven.

I have NEVER met Cheyenne Jackson. I have never hung out with him in his dressing room, he did not tweet me, he never bought me a beverage, and he mostly certainly didn't tickle me. . .that is all.

Updated On: 12/11/07 at 06:50 PM

#150

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Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:52pm

Well, I'm not getting into this discussion.

When it gets back to bagging on religion, then I'll be back.

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