Imagine No Religion- Page 6
Imagine No Religion
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#125be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:42pm
"A better question is why were you rooting around in someone else's trash in the first place."
I thought it was clearly obvious when I said they were thrown into the street, that I wasn't digging through someone's trash.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#126be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:46pm
Great! Now we have The Gospel According To GuitarGirl!
To think this all springs from the simple thought, "Imagine No Religion."
#127be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:46pm
That would be interpreting the Bible literally then. And you don't know how many people hold one point of view or the other. Maybe a majority of the people here hold the literal point of view, but elsewhere they might interpret it differently. Take the whole world into account, and you might find that those numbers are changed.
That Asian girl might also find the need to have something to believe in, and hope that her family at least is not just dead and nothing more, but in a better place.
It's easy to think of all the bad things that happen in the world, but there's a lot of good things as well that happen, including good that comes out of the bad.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#128be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:53pmSo, again, it comes down to you wanting to believe that we survive death?
#129be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 5:58pm
Well, does it come down to you wanting (again) to believe that we don't survive death?
You gave your opinion on that little girl's reaction, most likely if she did not believe in surviving death, and I'm giving mine.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#130be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:03pm
You all keep quoting the bible as if God himself wrote it.
He didn't.
As a matter of fact, the human beings who did write it (and they all injected their personal opinions into their stories) were born hundreds of years after the fact.
It’s like that game we used to play when we were kids called ‘Telephone’ where you told something to someone and then they whisper it to the person sitting next to them until it goes all the way around the room. Only the stories in the bible were told and re-told for hundreds of years before anyone wrote them down.
And how many different ‘versions’ of the bible are there? It’s like a car accident. You are going to get a different ‘version’ of the story from ever witness.
I have a hard time believing ANYTHING in the bible.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#131be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:06pm
I don't "want" to believe that we don't survive death any more than I "want" to believe that there isn't boiling ice and freezing sun flares.
Death is the end and you've got this life and it'd be terrific if there was a great afterlife family reunion because it's really sad to admit that we're not going to see our dead loved ones again, but, sometimes, LIFE IS SAD.
#132be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:13pm
Life is sad, whether you believe in life after death or not. It doesn't even need to be about who you see when you die, just what happens to us. I'm not so sure I can accept the idea that we lived our lives just to die and rot underground.
I don't see how it is bad to believe in that either. The people who believe it aren't happy all the time, and they don't hide from sadness.
#133be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:18pm
Namo, I also do not believe that an afterlife is likely, but there is no "evidence" to prove that point. We do not yet know the science to such an extent that the wide range of possibilities are closed. There is no proof for the claim, either way.
Although I will readily admit evidence we have points to your position being the truth.
Theatrediva, it is precisely that that makes study of the bible interesting to me. Study of the authors, and what they were trying to say, who they were talking to and how some things were changed later is far more fascination, and revealing than if it had been "written by God".
#134be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:21pmThere is also a lot of evidence to back up an afterlife. So both an afterlife and a non-afterlife are at a draw of sorts.
#135be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:24pm
Evidence of an afterlife?
Is this the type of "evidence" like that the dinosaurs are only a couple thousand years old?
I certainly have seen no such evidence.
#136be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:27pmWhat about those who have seen ghosts? Or apparitions? That is evidence. People have actually seen them.
#137be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:30pm
First, I don't believe them, I think they are confused or delusional.
Second, is that really what you consider "afterlife", is that what you then believe happens to everyone, because if so, shouldn't there be far more ghosts around?
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#138be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:31pmNo, people have not actually seen them. It is not evidence of anything.
#139be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:32pm
People have seen them. Therefore, they are evidence of something.
I don't consider it the afterlife as a whole, but perhaps part of the afterlife.
#140be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:37pm
I certainly would hope for some more compelling arguments to be forthcoming at some point.
Using that "logic" aliens are real too I presume, do they have the same God that the Christians do?
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#141be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:39pmThere are no such things as ghosts, GuitarGirl. That people have "seen" ghosts does not change that fact.
#142be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:40pm
So if someone you knew said that they had seen an apparition or "ghost-like" vision, would you denounce them as crazy?
You may not have seen a ghost of any type, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
#143be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:42pmi see dead people...and ufos. -- dennis kucinich in the passion of the elf
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TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#144be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:43pm
I've seen dead people, and so has my partner.
It's proof that we've seen dead people. That's all.
#145be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:43pm
Indeed 'ambo. Sounds like fun to me.
But just because someone claims they have seen one doesn't mean they exist.
I don't think all people who claim to have seen ghosts are crazy or lying, I just don't think they have seen a ghost. Some of them may have seen something that their brain tricked them into thinking was a ghost.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#146be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:48pm
So if someone you knew said that they had seen an apparition or "ghost-like" vision, would you denounce them as crazy?
No, I would say that they thought they had seen an apparition or a "ghost-like" vision. But that what they thought they had seen was neither an appartion nor a "ghost-like" vision.
#147be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:49pm
"dennis kucinich in the passion of the elf"
I loved that film! "I wish the ring had never come to me...!"
I too have seen/sensed spirit activity. In fact, I had someone break up with me because I explained about a spirit that was (living)in a bedroom on the third floor of his house. Too much info is not a good thing to share.
Updated On: 12/11/07 at 06:49 PM
#148be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:50pm
I was following GuitarGirls argument until she brought up the ghosts.
I think a earlier poster put it best when they said that arguing about religion will get you nowhere when the point of religion is to believe that your religious beliefs are the right ones.Otherwise why do it?
GuitarGirl, a big part of Christianity is believing/having faith in the unseen/unknown. There is NO proof of an afterlife, but that doesn't take away your right to believe in it, the point of almost all religions is believing in things that can't be proven.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#149be excellent to each other
Posted: 12/11/07 at 6:52pm
Well, I'm not getting into this discussion.
When it gets back to bagging on religion, then I'll be back.
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