#577
At dot429, Those Four Guys sit around and wax smart about the last episode.
Not as smart as us, but smarter than the average blogger.
http://dot429.com/articles/4176
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:05pm
At dot429, Those Four Guys sit around and wax smart about the last episode.
Not as smart as us, but smarter than the average blogger.
http://dot429.com/articles/4176
#578
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:23pm
I said the same thing about Augustin's lack of actual art production last week which apparently made me a "hater" who some people advised to stop watching the show.
I love that those queens love Doris in full-on Dom's mascot mode and how they wish they had a woman in their lives who would shill for them with potential boyfriends. They should join Team Therapist too.
I love that those queens love Doris in full-on Dom's mascot mode and how they wish they had a woman in their lives who would shill for them with potential boyfriends. They should join Team Therapist too.
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#579
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:29pm
I have no regrets about having stopped watching this after about three episodes, but I do still enjoy reading this thread.
#580
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:52pm
There's still room on the TV for a really good show about gay men. Maybe they'll try hard to be that show in the second season I'm not sure they deserved. I do feel like the way these things play out nowadays is subsequent seasons of these shows deteriorate in quality and after a few pass by we hear about how they want to get back to everything that made the show "so great" in the first season. You know, "back to basics".
The problem being that everybody knows these shows aren't very good in the first season.
The problem being that everybody knows these shows aren't very good in the first season.
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#581
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:54pm
Did After Eight slip you something?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#582
Posted: 3/10/14 at 9:58pm
LOL^
Sophomore seasons usually seem hard for a show--I think in the read PJ linked to one of the things I did generally agree with was their wishes for the second season. While I liked the deliberate pace and style and hope it's not lost, I do think the stakes have to be higher next year now that the characters have all been introduced.
Sophomore seasons usually seem hard for a show--I think in the read PJ linked to one of the things I did generally agree with was their wishes for the second season. While I liked the deliberate pace and style and hope it's not lost, I do think the stakes have to be higher next year now that the characters have all been introduced.
#583
Posted: 3/10/14 at 10:06pm
The show slipped me Episode 5. Neither I nor the show recovered. As you can see in this thread, I thought each of the first four episodes was better than the previous.
Now that I have read the interview I realize that the reason I hated the 5th episode was because they didn't know what they were doing and making it up as they went along.
Maybe they'll write a second season before they start shooting. But I doubt it.
Now that I have read the interview I realize that the reason I hated the 5th episode was because they didn't know what they were doing and making it up as they went along.
Maybe they'll write a second season before they start shooting. But I doubt it.
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#584
Posted: 3/10/14 at 10:13pm
Eh, I'd actually say it was only you that didn't recover.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#585
Posted: 3/10/14 at 10:16pm
Nope. In the finale piece of wood was still telling the character who behaves the most like a flesh and blood human that he wasn't "ready" for the wood to fall in love with him.
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#586
Posted: 3/10/14 at 10:17pm
That really seems to be more about you not liking an actor.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#589
Posted: 3/10/14 at 10:51pm
"Maybe they'll write a second season before they start shooting. But I doubt it. "
I'm pretty sure they'll do it the same way. Unless for some reason they hire some new co-showrunner... It's just the way both of the guys work--in film, tv, etc. Even with that interview though I don't think it's all written on the fly--they obviously have some direction but it's not too unusual to then decide certain actors have potential together or change story points as they go on. (At any rate obviously some others agree with you about episode 5, given PJ's link.)
I'm pretty sure they'll do it the same way. Unless for some reason they hire some new co-showrunner... It's just the way both of the guys work--in film, tv, etc. Even with that interview though I don't think it's all written on the fly--they obviously have some direction but it's not too unusual to then decide certain actors have potential together or change story points as they go on. (At any rate obviously some others agree with you about episode 5, given PJ's link.)
#590
Posted: 3/10/14 at 11:29pm
Definitely looking forward to somebody writing a good show about gay people with more than one woman, terrific though Doris be.
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#591
Posted: 3/11/14 at 3:41am
Just watched the finale and I unabashedly adored it. It was my favorite episode since the gorgeous all day date of episode 5. I spent way too much time today discussing the True Detective finale with friends and colleagues--not to mention analyzing every review and post-season essay. So, for now, I think I'm going to simply watch and enjoy the LOOKING finale and not worry about any post-show analysis. A couple of small things I loved:
-Dorris' championing of Dom
-The glow that Dom had once the pop-up started taking off
-Richie admitting to Patrick that his pride gets in the way (hell that entire beautiful scene between them at the Patrick's front door)
Like I said, I haven't read all the articles posted in here yet, but I gather that some members of this board are deeply outraged by any sort of improvisation that may have happened in the writing, direction or acting. While it may be true that Haigh & co embrace improvisation and catching inspiration moment-to-moment rather than mapping out everything in advance, there is also an enormous amount of care and craft taken in this show.
It might seem a little rough around the edges, but the way in which Haigh and his co-creators and directors map out an episode can be incredibly artful. For example, in this finale, I really loved how they (no doubt intentionally) had nearly every conversation between two characters be a fight against silence and repression. When Dorris tries to tell Lynn about Dom being worth it, Lynn tries to silence her; when Augustin tries to tell Frank he's seen the error of his ways, Frank does silence him; when Kevin approaches Patrick on the roof to apologize for the wedding kiss, Patrick shuts him down; When Patrick visits Richie at work, Richie quiets Patrick and asks him for distance. But then in that last scene between Patrick and Richie, Patrick didn't push back. Maybe it was the guilt about Kevin, maybe it was a crazy mix of emotions, but it was a beautiful moment in which he--the one who can never stop talking--actually stops and just listens to Richie. Whether Richie was entirely right or not, I'm not sure. I think Patrick might have been ready.
Anyway, I can't wait for the next season.
-Dorris' championing of Dom
-The glow that Dom had once the pop-up started taking off
-Richie admitting to Patrick that his pride gets in the way (hell that entire beautiful scene between them at the Patrick's front door)
Like I said, I haven't read all the articles posted in here yet, but I gather that some members of this board are deeply outraged by any sort of improvisation that may have happened in the writing, direction or acting. While it may be true that Haigh & co embrace improvisation and catching inspiration moment-to-moment rather than mapping out everything in advance, there is also an enormous amount of care and craft taken in this show.
It might seem a little rough around the edges, but the way in which Haigh and his co-creators and directors map out an episode can be incredibly artful. For example, in this finale, I really loved how they (no doubt intentionally) had nearly every conversation between two characters be a fight against silence and repression. When Dorris tries to tell Lynn about Dom being worth it, Lynn tries to silence her; when Augustin tries to tell Frank he's seen the error of his ways, Frank does silence him; when Kevin approaches Patrick on the roof to apologize for the wedding kiss, Patrick shuts him down; When Patrick visits Richie at work, Richie quiets Patrick and asks him for distance. But then in that last scene between Patrick and Richie, Patrick didn't push back. Maybe it was the guilt about Kevin, maybe it was a crazy mix of emotions, but it was a beautiful moment in which he--the one who can never stop talking--actually stops and just listens to Richie. Whether Richie was entirely right or not, I'm not sure. I think Patrick might have been ready.
Anyway, I can't wait for the next season.
Updated On: 3/11/14 at 03:41 AM
#592
Posted: 3/11/14 at 5:13am
Someone needs a block of cheese to go with that WHINE.
....or a pacifier to stop all that crying.
"The lady doth protest too much..."
We get it Namo. You don't like the show. We get it. We get it. You can shut up now.
....or a pacifier to stop all that crying.
"The lady doth protest too much..."
We get it Namo. You don't like the show. We get it. We get it. You can shut up now.
Updated On: 3/11/14 at 05:13 AM
#593
Posted: 3/11/14 at 5:30am
Oh absolutely--the direction in particular I think is subtly but very carefully planned--this episode also had a lot of nice parallels to the first episode visually anyway (like the three part opening).
#594
Posted: 3/11/14 at 10:26am
^ The problem I have with the arc and some of the direction is that I feel it isn't quite consistent from one episode to the next. I feel like some of the timeline is fuzzy over the course of the season. And I still don't find either love interest for Patrick in any way remotely interesting. Each sex scene was hot...but that's really my only take away. And that 'You're not ready for me' scene just made me think, 'Ugh...children.'
That said, I really quite enjoyed the whole more than the sum of its parts. There's enough that feels real about it to keep me engaged. The awkward/funny moments genuinely make me laugh. And I will say that Groff is sensational. I know many will disagree, but he's holding this thing together beautifully, and I don't think he gets enough credit.
Plus...I've waited DECADES to see Scott Bakula kiss another man. Every late-80's/early 90's masturbatory fantasy came crashing down on me!
That said, I really quite enjoyed the whole more than the sum of its parts. There's enough that feels real about it to keep me engaged. The awkward/funny moments genuinely make me laugh. And I will say that Groff is sensational. I know many will disagree, but he's holding this thing together beautifully, and I don't think he gets enough credit.
Plus...I've waited DECADES to see Scott Bakula kiss another man. Every late-80's/early 90's masturbatory fantasy came crashing down on me!
Updated On: 3/11/14 at 10:26 AM
#595
Posted: 3/11/14 at 10:34am
^ agree except for the Scott Bakula fantasy.
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#596
Posted: 3/11/14 at 11:41am
An interesting take on the final episode, and the series as a whole. I pretty much agree with it. I still feel that the series is frustrating in the half hour format -- I wish each episode had more room to breathe somehow.
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#597
Posted: 3/11/14 at 1:08pm
I've been pimping those AV reviews, so it's no shock that I mostly agree, but I also like how he does point out the strength and thought in the direction--which still manages to feel so natural.
Robbie I do agree with you to an extent about the timeline. In one of the interviews with the creator, the interviewer said something like "the series in total took place over a month, right?" And Michael replied "Ummm, right." Like he had no real idea either. I assumed it was at least a couple of months--I mean we went from one episode ending with a wedding invite "in two weeks" and then the next episode was the wedding... It doesn't really bother me, but... On the other hand they apparently are extremely careful to make SF work as a real city--not faking how areas are connected to each other, etc.
I do agree that the show is really more than the sum of its parts.
Robbie I do agree with you to an extent about the timeline. In one of the interviews with the creator, the interviewer said something like "the series in total took place over a month, right?" And Michael replied "Ummm, right." Like he had no real idea either. I assumed it was at least a couple of months--I mean we went from one episode ending with a wedding invite "in two weeks" and then the next episode was the wedding... It doesn't really bother me, but... On the other hand they apparently are extremely careful to make SF work as a real city--not faking how areas are connected to each other, etc.
I do agree that the show is really more than the sum of its parts.
#598
Posted: 3/11/14 at 1:20pm
For the record, I think AV Club has hands-down the best TV reviewers around. Their reviews are always thoughtful and actually enlightening about a series' strengths and weaknesses as a whole. I always read their reviews after I've watched something- they're legitimate pieces of criticism rather than just "it sucks / it's great."
I'd agree the timeline is spotty- how long have Patrick and Richie known each other? It's really unclear. And I'm not sure I bought this past episode taking place the very next day after the one before.
I'd agree the timeline is spotty- how long have Patrick and Richie known each other? It's really unclear. And I'm not sure I bought this past episode taking place the very next day after the one before.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#599
Posted: 3/11/14 at 1:35pm
Definitely agreed, Kad. It's pretty much the only place I go for TV reviews now... Their comments section also, for the most part, is remarkably civilized--trolls are rare there. (And I love their various features--right now I love the series on TV one season "wonders")
That threw me about it being ONE day later--it was just one line that revealed that, and it did make me think "Wha?" the stuff with Kevin, for example I think would have made more sense even if it was just a weekend after the Wedding--but a day? (I admit a part of me also always thinks "So these people got drunk the night before, and they seem perfectly fine going into work the next morning?" but that may reflect more on myself--and at any rate is a TV cliche anyway.)
Richie and Patrick's relationship makes sense to me if it was over a two or three months--not a super long time, but one month seems awfully short. As it does for Augustin and Frank to have only lived together for under a month, although that was imploding from the word go.
That threw me about it being ONE day later--it was just one line that revealed that, and it did make me think "Wha?" the stuff with Kevin, for example I think would have made more sense even if it was just a weekend after the Wedding--but a day? (I admit a part of me also always thinks "So these people got drunk the night before, and they seem perfectly fine going into work the next morning?" but that may reflect more on myself--and at any rate is a TV cliche anyway.)
Richie and Patrick's relationship makes sense to me if it was over a two or three months--not a super long time, but one month seems awfully short. As it does for Augustin and Frank to have only lived together for under a month, although that was imploding from the word go.
#600
Posted: 3/11/14 at 1:56pm
Well, if it was only a month, then Richie's comment about the relationship being rushed is even more pertinent.
Also I have no idea how the logistics of a pop-up work- but a month seems like a short amount of time to plan that, right?
Also I have no idea how the logistics of a pop-up work- but a month seems like a short amount of time to plan that, right?
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
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