Lance Armstrong

[morosco]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:17pm

1) cheater
2) liar
3) disappointment

[SNAFU]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:25pm

Yes
Yes
Yes

[~tiny~]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:28pm

oPRAH - soooo over. bad interviewer. has been. ass kisser. Bore.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:32pm

I agree Tiny. The Age of Oprah has passed! May she fade away and take Dr Phil with her.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:34pm

Shrug
Half-Shrug
Eh

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:37pm

It's not like he took the drugs and it made him into Superman. He won, but barely. Were his opponents taking drugs too?

I really don't care.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:46pm

Oprah=big fat vulture circling carrion.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:55pm

She'll do anything to stay relevant.

Like Bawbwa.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 5:58pm

I hate him - a first-rate con artist, and I hope he rots.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:09pm

There was an interesting discussion on THE CYCLE today about this. It was pointed out that yeah, he's a liar and a cheat and all that, BUT he has done a tremendous amount of good, as well. As in, helping to save people's lives kind of good.

He might be an awful person for doing what he did (sociopathic is a word being thrown around a lot) but you can't discredit the immense amount of good that he helped to create through his philanthropic work.

[BeadleDeedle]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:14pm

You hope he rots? His job was riding a bicycle!

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:14pm

I was on a swim team, and a couple of years ago we were all given his book to motivate us. I feel conned. People like him have ruined professional sport.

Updated On: 1/15/13 at 06:14 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:15pm

You guys are acting like he's the first one to lie. Give me a break.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:17pm

I hate them all.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:20pm

And you've never lied?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:22pm

It's not the lying - it's the years of drug-taking and blood transfusions to cover it up. No, I've never done that.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:26pm

Is that a lie?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:28pm

All will be revealed when Oprah...okay, Sue Simmons...interviews me next week. Tune in!

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:31pm

That's not what you said.

Don't let a man's mistakes blind you from the good things he's done. No one is perfect. I'm not saying what he did in regards to his racing was good, but he shouldn't be vilified for it.

What he did, he did to his own body. People have done a lot more and received a lot less.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:34pm

He also did it to the people who otherwise would have won the races, and maybe have had careers and wealth and gone on to achieve greatness.

[Jane2]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:41pm

"And you've never lied?"

what, how do you compare the world champion seven times, of a major sport, who was looked up to and even idolized by millions, and who accepted millions from sponsorships and appearances, etc. who turns out to be a fraud because of lying to the world, to one of us telling a lie? oy

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:41pm

But that can't be proven. You can't say, "Second place would've been first had Lance not taken drugs."

Anyway, didn't he lose all his titles? Should he lose the money too?

[morosco]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:42pm

Armstrong openly schemed against and slandered riders who spoke out about doping (see Christophe Bassons and Filippo Simeoni). He near-bankrupted honest journalists who stumbled upon the truth (see David Walsh). He allegedly threatened the families of riders who were willing to testify against him (see Tyler Hamilton). He ruined businesses and dirtied the name of those who linked him to doping (see Greg LeMond). He bullied and got his entourage to threaten a woman who pursued him (see Betsy Andreu). He offered $300,000 to a former teammate to claim that he had seen his antagonist Greg LeMond using drugs.

Geez....the ball on that guy.
On yer bike Armstrong, you totally sicken me

[romantico]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 6:43pm

Don't forget, Lance went after those who got in his way and accused him of 'doping'. He denied the charges and went after his accusers in a very hateful way. What always amazes me with people like Lance is how they think they will never caught. They think they are smarter than anyone else.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 1/15/13 at 7:00pm

I'm not sure that one needs to be certified as a Blameless Paragon of Truth (or BPOT, for all you BWW compulsive acronymphomaniacs) in order to be able to articulate disappointment and a sense of betrayal over what Armstrong is alleged to have done.

Nor does it mitigate the damage done by Armstrong to identify others who have lied, cheated, etc.

It would appear that he lied, he cheated, he coerced, he bullied, he perjured, he stonewalled and then held himself up and put himself forward on the world stage as a "winner" and an "inspiration" to all. That's pretty creepy, in my opinion.

Having stolen (allegedly) his titles and his acclaim and his aura of being an inspiration, he created a charitable foundation which did good, but which he also used as a kind of a deflector against accusations and inquiry. In retrospect, it appears that he was willing to use the people helped by his foundation as 'human shields' against prosecution.

He also played fast and loose with the trust and hopes and inspiration that he gave to those people under false pretenses.

I commend him for his good works, and I am unwilling to condemn him to 'Rot in Hell'--I would hate for Dick Cheney's spot to be occupied by Lance Armstrong--but he has a great deal to answer for.

Updated On: 1/15/13 at 07:00 PM