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#76

re: Little Miss Sunshine

"Thanks, Clumsy...

*pours Clumsy a glass of fine wine at our "table for two"*"

Oh yeah, baby.
Oh yeah.
re: Little Miss Sunshine

:sernades Best12Bars with "It Takes Two" from Hairspray:
"Anybody that goes to the theater, I think we’re all misfits, so we ended up on stage or in the audience.” --- Patti LuPone.

Updated On: 2/24/07 at 09:18 PM

#77

re: Little Miss Sunshine

*hums "Three Coins in the Fountain" in the background*
#78

re: Little Miss Sunshine

All movies are unrealistic to a certain extent, so what really matters is if the characters are realistic and real and human and relatable.

I found all of the characters in LMS to be extraordinarily real and human.

And that, to me, is what made it a great movie.

Do I think it is a stunning cinematic acheivement? No.
Do I think it deserves all the hoopla surrounding it? No.

Most of the success in making the characters so full and interesting belongs to the actors, as Michael Arndt's screenplay is nothing extraordinary.

But still, however unoriginal it may be, it's still a good movie.

*Edited because hoppla isn't a word, though it should be. re: Little Miss Sunshine

"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.

Updated On: 2/24/07 at 09:20 PM

#79

re: Little Miss Sunshine

I appreciate that, Priest.

Join us at the table!

I think it was filmmaker Jean Renior that said, "Film is TRUTH for 24 frames per second."

And it was Stanley Donen that said in response that, "No, film is a LIE at 24 frames per second."

I agree with Donen. And with Priest. And I disagree with "America."

Emotional truth is what's important.

Whether it's smuggling your grandfather's body out of a hospital, or splashing in puddles on the street holding an umbrella, while you sing about how you've got "a smile on your face for the whole human race."

It's the same unrealistic...

REALISTC... thing.

I wish America could understand that.

Emotions need to be "real." The rest can be whatever we dream it to be.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#80

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Exactly.
If someone relates to it and connects to it, that's all that matters.

Apparently the majority of America connects and relates to Norbit and Jackass 2. Assume what you will about America from that fact.
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
#81

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Okay, you just depressed me.

How the f*ck do they connect to THAT???

*pours us ALL a stiffer drink*
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
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#82

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Oh dear.

:consoles best12bars with rousing rendition of C'mon Everybody from All Shook Up:
"Anybody that goes to the theater, I think we’re all misfits, so we ended up on stage or in the audience.” --- Patti LuPone.
#83

re: Little Miss Sunshine

I've always felt there's a huge disconnect between what an artist perceives of art, and what the general audience perceives. The hardest thing for me is to allow each and every individual their own experience. My judgement might have validity in a classroom discussion of the artistic merit, but it doesn't have a thing to do with what the general public wants, needs or responds to.

If many people are finding an escape from what they define as their own dreary lives, then a great purpose is being served - for them. That doesn't mean I have an understanding of it, or need to have the same experience.

There really are NO instruction manuals given for all of this. My taste is my taste - and it doesn't always jive with what the cognoscenti proscribe.

The only truth has ALWAYS been for a creator to be true to the vision they have, whatever that might be. The audience will then find itself.

Updated On: 2/24/07 at 09:45 PM

#84

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Stiffer drink? Are your erections dysfunctional? re: Little Miss Sunshine

Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiae
Vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra
Salve, Salve Regina
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Eva
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
O clemens O pia

Updated On: 2/24/07 at 09:45 PM

#85

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Best 12, I always used to insist that a film be totally believable for me to like it. (except for Evil Dead, lol). Then I realized that the most believable film wasn't totally believable. I guess documentaries are close to believable, but guess what, they aren't always!

Sometimes I have a hard time in my analyses of why I do or do not like art. Aesthetics aren't always possible to verbalize. LMS worked for me in the love of the characters and in the writing.

Enjoy your wine!
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#86

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Hey, for instance, I'm now watching After Hours for the upteenth time. One of my favorite films. Totally unbelievable. But it created an atmosphere which took me into it.
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#87

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Not to turn this into a Crash debate, but the reason I hated it was mainly because it's obviously COMPLETELY unbelieveable, yet it is soooo obvious that Paul Haggis was trying so hard and wanted so much for it to be seen as completely realistic and real.
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."

The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
#88

re: Little Miss Sunshine

DG-I missed your post while I was writing one. I agree with you in your general view towards art. I wish more people would feel that way.
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#89

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Jane - I wish people felt a FEW things differently re: Little Miss Sunshine

I'm off to finish A STAR IS BORN. Is it bad that during the Oscar scene I imagined Chad Lowe busting in on Hillary's second accpetance speech?
#90

re: Little Miss Sunshine

No, it's good-thanks for the laugh!
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#91

re: Little Miss Sunshine

"Is it bad that during the Oscar scene I imagined Chad Lowe busting in on Hillary's second accpetance speech? "

That I would pay money to see.

"Anybody that goes to the theater, I think we’re all misfits, so we ended up on stage or in the audience.” --- Patti LuPone.
#92

re: Little Miss Sunshine

I loathed Little Miss Sunshine. Have to admit I'm completely baffled by the hoopla. It's like a studio set out to make "one of those quirky indie films" and had no idea how to go about it other than to connect the dots from a computer program of plot elements. Let's take the dysfunctional family and put them on a road trip in a broken down vehicle. Throw in an elderly grandfather who's supposed to be hilarious because he's raunchy and profane...yet he's old, get it! And, of course, you just know that character will die in the course of the trip. Not a spoiler. You'd have to be mentally defective, under the age of five, or have never seen a movie before not to see that one coming. And then there's the daring, cutting-edge satire of targets like child beauty pageants and motivational speakers. Oooh, that's never been done before.

The brother-in-law who's supposed to be a college French professor and Proust scholar looked and acted like he might possibly pass as a used car salesman or a game show host, but that's about it. And the ending with the bizarro, retro, saved-in-the nick-of time dance number reminded me of nothing so much as Napoleon Dynamite. I'd have to go back and look at lists, but off the top of my head, Little Miss Sunshine is possibly the weakest Academy Award nominee since Love Story in 1970.
#93

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Tell us how you really feel, kjklo.

For the record, I didn't see the grandfather's death coming...and as far as I know, I have no mental defects, I'm over 5, and I'm pretty sure I've seen a movie before.
#94

re: Little Miss Sunshine

I agree with kjklo on this one - it really didn't hit me like it's apparently hit so many others.
#95

re: Little Miss Sunshine

You read my mind, justagirl, I didn't see it coming either.

Loved the film, still have the dvd here, will probably watch it again before returning it!
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#96

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Think Imogene Coca in National Lampoon's Vacation.
#97

re: Little Miss Sunshine

kjklo - well, the script WAS better than that! re: Little Miss Sunshine
#98

re: Little Miss Sunshine

I have watched movies and simply laughed my ass off (e.g., SOAPDISH). I have watched movies and cried (e.g., CINEMA PARADISO). I have watched movies that I just found fascinating because of they way the filmmakers told the story (e.g., LES ENFANTS DU PARADIS.)

Sometimes it's just a joy to watch one particular actor in a role...or a dance sequence that is breathtaking...or something that connects me to my childhood.

I may not relate to it the same way someone else does, but that doesn't make it bad...or good. I can't always take intensity. Sometimes I want a diversion. I wasn't like this when I was younger. I used to think that everything had to have "meaning." But it is sometimes very healthy to get away from all the "meaning" and just RELAX.

I found Little Miss Sunshine completely believable. I have known people like every single person in that movie. (I'm not exaggerating either.) Everyone's reality is different. A work of art either speaks to you or it doesn't. I think it's that simple.
"Be on your guard! Jerks on the loose!"

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**********

"If any relationship involves a flow chart, get out of it...FAST!"

~ Best12Bars
#99

re: Little Miss Sunshine

"it is sometimes very healthy to get away from all the "meaning" and just RELAX."

Amen, Miss P!
#100

re: Little Miss Sunshine

Sorry, can't resist summing up: Little Miss Sunshine was possibly at best, as far as satires of dysfunctional American families, about one tenth as good as the worst episode of the old sitcom Arrested Development. And it's nominated for the Academy Award for best picture? I know the Oscars are just a joke and purely for promotional purposes, but still. This is going over the line into the area of disgraceful. I guess what offended me the most was the complete lack of authenticity and the highly calculated, formulaic quality of the script/direction.

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