#51
Posted: 7/28/12 at 2:57am
That's just lovely. Thank you both.
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#52
Posted: 7/28/12 at 10:30am
I always thought it was
"and I feel, like a disco whore"
anyways... I thought je Taime was awesome. I love the uncalled for WTF moments.
"and I feel, like a disco whore"
anyways... I thought je Taime was awesome. I love the uncalled for WTF moments.
#53
Posted: 7/28/12 at 4:10pm
Just thought i would jump in
This story is not as it seems. It would appear several members of the National Front were in the audience holding rather offensive signs (pics are on Facebook) and before the show many of them were starting trouble outside (to the point the police were called and stood guard, pics on Facebook).Many of the boos were started by the them, they also booed during her speech when she mentioned the National Front leader. They were also the ones who started shouting 'whore'.
Most Madonna fans know she does these small intimate gigs before or during a tour. Some were free (roseland Ballroom) some were not (G.A.Y), also the tickets for this were 90 Euros, paying for the 'up close' experience, it also cost ONE MILLION to put that one show on. It's pretty clear to anyone with half of a brain that she will not be performing the whole tour show (since she still has over 60 dates left and people have paid 100s of pounds/dollars and would be rather annoyed if she streamed it live) and the fact she added in new songs to the set (Beautiful Killer etc) is more than she has ever done before.
As many articles are pointing out the pure nastiness towards Madonna is at an all time high and most people cant figure out why? So she got a boob and arse out (whats new?) she poked fun at Gaga (big deal), she uses guns in her show (has many times and so do many others inc Gaga) and she stood up to the National Front who have always been a vile right right right wing political party.
Oddly enough the fact the tour is getting raves is getting ignored, the fact the album received largely positive reviews (ignored)and because the album had a huge second week drop off in America (only) everyone seems to think its a flop even though the new sales for the year have come out putting all albums under 2 million copies sold worldwide accept Adele and Madonna is at 1.7 million and still rising and in the top 7 albums of the year.
The one ongoing thing which im glad people are now finally jumping to her defence over is the constant mentioning of her age. Who gives a f**k? Rolling Stones just announced another tour and nobody mentioned their age in a negative way, rather a pat on the back for still doing it at their age (and lets be honest they don't act like guys in their late 60s on stage). It's such a ****ty thing that women seem to be judged on the their looks and when they reach a certain age are expected to vanish quietly.
It made huge news again in London when Madonna showed her backside (with underwear and tights on) like she had done something terrible. Nobody mentioned that the singer of LMFAO only one hour earlier as he supported her exposed his naked backside on stage.
It's reached a point now where as a Madonna fan i am getting so fed up with the constant bitching in the press about her. It's getting past just being negative and turning in to really vile personal attacks or out and out lies. I have never seen it this bad since she did the Sex Book.
Hearing (inc on here) that it's such a big deal that she shoots people in her show. Are you f****g kidding me? how many stage shows do we see that in, how many films do we see that in? music videos etc. It's so beyond belief stupid that the people saying it must either just be so damn bitchy or that thick that it seems like an urgent thing they are saying. 'Madonna refused to banish guns from show after shooting',a thread on here popped up about it, however did anyone pull the Batman film, did Scotland pull the violent films that night from their schedule, were other violent films and music videos pulled that night? No, of course not, but because she did it (something she did way before the shooting) then she is insensitive and irresponsible (sorry but what is irresponsible is letting little kids in to the movie theatre that night, focus on the bigger issue).
And i'm sorry to say this but a lot of the 'guns on stage' comments came from the US Press. Yet again America looks for a scapegoat in entertainment, pull the focus away from the real issue until it happens again.
The media is out of control, and uneducated bloggers, posters etc who seem to be getting their news from these ****ty papers need a slap, find your own opinion and look for the truth in a story.
Someone on here mentioned about how bad she sounded on the Paris show, i agree on parts she did (she also sounded brilliant on Masterpiece and Turn Up the Radio as well as Beautiful Killer), she sounds way better on the tour. However that's besides the point, we all know she is not the best singer, however she works her arse off harder than ANY artist when she is on stage, should not get some credit for that?
The truth bout the Paris show and what happened will probably hit a few publications, but sadly we are in a world where we would rather kick her down than give her praise. America has always been that way (build an idol up then tear them down) im just sad some other countries are joining in that trend.
Rant over
This story is not as it seems. It would appear several members of the National Front were in the audience holding rather offensive signs (pics are on Facebook) and before the show many of them were starting trouble outside (to the point the police were called and stood guard, pics on Facebook).Many of the boos were started by the them, they also booed during her speech when she mentioned the National Front leader. They were also the ones who started shouting 'whore'.
Most Madonna fans know she does these small intimate gigs before or during a tour. Some were free (roseland Ballroom) some were not (G.A.Y), also the tickets for this were 90 Euros, paying for the 'up close' experience, it also cost ONE MILLION to put that one show on. It's pretty clear to anyone with half of a brain that she will not be performing the whole tour show (since she still has over 60 dates left and people have paid 100s of pounds/dollars and would be rather annoyed if she streamed it live) and the fact she added in new songs to the set (Beautiful Killer etc) is more than she has ever done before.
As many articles are pointing out the pure nastiness towards Madonna is at an all time high and most people cant figure out why? So she got a boob and arse out (whats new?) she poked fun at Gaga (big deal), she uses guns in her show (has many times and so do many others inc Gaga) and she stood up to the National Front who have always been a vile right right right wing political party.
Oddly enough the fact the tour is getting raves is getting ignored, the fact the album received largely positive reviews (ignored)and because the album had a huge second week drop off in America (only) everyone seems to think its a flop even though the new sales for the year have come out putting all albums under 2 million copies sold worldwide accept Adele and Madonna is at 1.7 million and still rising and in the top 7 albums of the year.
The one ongoing thing which im glad people are now finally jumping to her defence over is the constant mentioning of her age. Who gives a f**k? Rolling Stones just announced another tour and nobody mentioned their age in a negative way, rather a pat on the back for still doing it at their age (and lets be honest they don't act like guys in their late 60s on stage). It's such a ****ty thing that women seem to be judged on the their looks and when they reach a certain age are expected to vanish quietly.
It made huge news again in London when Madonna showed her backside (with underwear and tights on) like she had done something terrible. Nobody mentioned that the singer of LMFAO only one hour earlier as he supported her exposed his naked backside on stage.
It's reached a point now where as a Madonna fan i am getting so fed up with the constant bitching in the press about her. It's getting past just being negative and turning in to really vile personal attacks or out and out lies. I have never seen it this bad since she did the Sex Book.
Hearing (inc on here) that it's such a big deal that she shoots people in her show. Are you f****g kidding me? how many stage shows do we see that in, how many films do we see that in? music videos etc. It's so beyond belief stupid that the people saying it must either just be so damn bitchy or that thick that it seems like an urgent thing they are saying. 'Madonna refused to banish guns from show after shooting',a thread on here popped up about it, however did anyone pull the Batman film, did Scotland pull the violent films that night from their schedule, were other violent films and music videos pulled that night? No, of course not, but because she did it (something she did way before the shooting) then she is insensitive and irresponsible (sorry but what is irresponsible is letting little kids in to the movie theatre that night, focus on the bigger issue).
And i'm sorry to say this but a lot of the 'guns on stage' comments came from the US Press. Yet again America looks for a scapegoat in entertainment, pull the focus away from the real issue until it happens again.
The media is out of control, and uneducated bloggers, posters etc who seem to be getting their news from these ****ty papers need a slap, find your own opinion and look for the truth in a story.
Someone on here mentioned about how bad she sounded on the Paris show, i agree on parts she did (she also sounded brilliant on Masterpiece and Turn Up the Radio as well as Beautiful Killer), she sounds way better on the tour. However that's besides the point, we all know she is not the best singer, however she works her arse off harder than ANY artist when she is on stage, should not get some credit for that?
The truth bout the Paris show and what happened will probably hit a few publications, but sadly we are in a world where we would rather kick her down than give her praise. America has always been that way (build an idol up then tear them down) im just sad some other countries are joining in that trend.
Rant over
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
Updated On: 7/28/12 at 04:10 PM
#54
Posted: 7/28/12 at 4:19pm
I dont think people were expecting her tour show. To use your phrase, anyone with half a brain wouldn't expect that. But for even $100 I would expect a full concert, I don't care who's performing. Was this advertised as an abbreviated show or a short set of songs? I don't see why Madge couldn't take an extra hour out of her busy day to sing an extra 10 songs to people who collectively shelled out many many thousands of dollars to see her. I would have boo'd her ass too.
And just so's you knows, I'm actually still debating spending $400 to see her in October. I'm not someone who hates her. (Her new album, on the otherhand...)
And just so's you knows, I'm actually still debating spending $400 to see her in October. I'm not someone who hates her. (Her new album, on the otherhand...)
#55
Posted: 7/28/12 at 4:26pm
I most certainly new it was a short gig, so im sure others did.
And you honestly think that a person who is on a gruelling tour is going is going to add in another TEN SONGS. When would that be rehearsed? And if she did 10 more songs then that would take it to 18, that's the amount of songs on the tour. Little unfair charging only 90 Euros for a full 18 song set yet the tour they are charging far more and you are much further away than you are during the Olympia show.
If you are a Madonna fan (and 2000 of the 2700 were part of the Madonna fan club) you know this will be a short gig like she has done many times before.
And you honestly think that a person who is on a gruelling tour is going is going to add in another TEN SONGS. When would that be rehearsed? And if she did 10 more songs then that would take it to 18, that's the amount of songs on the tour. Little unfair charging only 90 Euros for a full 18 song set yet the tour they are charging far more and you are much further away than you are during the Olympia show.
If you are a Madonna fan (and 2000 of the 2700 were part of the Madonna fan club) you know this will be a short gig like she has done many times before.
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#56
Posted: 7/28/12 at 4:33pm
Not true. Other gigs of hers have been advertised as short shows or that she'll be performing 3 songs. And she didn't need extra rehearsal time. She an sit her boney ass on a stool and sing I'll Remember, Take A Bow, Crazy For You and a couple other songs she's sung ten thousand times.
#57
Posted: 7/28/12 at 4:39pm
Which ones?
Roseland was tour stuff, G.A.Y was tour stuff, Astoria was tour stuff etc, Radio 1 was tour stuff, its always been around 7 or 8 songs. If anything she did a bit more this time by adding in 2 new songs.
Her intimate club gigs have always been this way.
Also she has NEVER sung I'll Remember, she has only done Take a Bow once. This is what i mean, people just bitch and talk for the sake of doing it. Also if she just sat on a stool and sang some ballads she would be trashed for that as well and you know it
Roseland was tour stuff, G.A.Y was tour stuff, Astoria was tour stuff etc, Radio 1 was tour stuff, its always been around 7 or 8 songs. If anything she did a bit more this time by adding in 2 new songs.
Her intimate club gigs have always been this way.
Also she has NEVER sung I'll Remember, she has only done Take a Bow once. This is what i mean, people just bitch and talk for the sake of doing it. Also if she just sat on a stool and sang some ballads she would be trashed for that as well and you know it
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#58
Posted: 7/28/12 at 7:29pm
The woman is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. The truth is people should get what they deserve. If they no longer want her brand of entertainment, they should move on. Plain and simple... move on. The sense of entitlement that has bubbled to the surface in this me-me-me internet age is insane.
#59
Posted: 7/28/12 at 7:49pm
^ Word
#60
Posted: 7/28/12 at 11:19pm
Rolling Stones just announced another tour and nobody mentioned their age in a negative way, rather a pat on the back for still doing it at their age (and lets be honest they don't act like guys in their late 60s on stage).
I want you to rest assured that the Rolling Stones have been mocked as being too old since, at the very latest, The Steel Wheels Tour, and that kicked off in 1989. Every tour since then there have been rumors it HAS to be their last because they are all so old and how long can they keep going.
Six years ago, David Letterman made a crack about the Stones being geriatric as they started the Bigger Bang tour, and Jagger replied that Dave should try doing his job for a night and Jagger would go do Dave's. Dave did not respond.
And here's a headline from the start of the 40 Licks tour ten years ago from the Daily Mail in the UK that completely supports how NOBODY EVER makes fun for the Stones for touring at their age:
The Strolling Bones are ready to hit the road again.
So, you know, poor Madonna is not the only person to have to face what it's like to be older in a field generally understood, correctly or not, to be a young person's game.
And you're right, the Stones do not act like guys in their 60s and 70s onstage. And you know what else they don't do? Bitch about how hard they are working!! When Mick Jagger runs the width of a football stadium while singing live, he does not demand the audience run back and forth with him because he's "working my ass off up here!" Also, when they played Toad's Place, a 700 capacity club in 1989, they played 11 songs in one hour. And they charged $3.01 per ticket. And they most certainly did not whine about how much it had cost them to do the show.
You would think, after all this time, (notice I didn't say "at her age"), Madonna would have picked up some of the very basic showbiz adages. But she always lets them see her sweat and she always complains about the hard work and expense.
I want you to rest assured that the Rolling Stones have been mocked as being too old since, at the very latest, The Steel Wheels Tour, and that kicked off in 1989. Every tour since then there have been rumors it HAS to be their last because they are all so old and how long can they keep going.
Six years ago, David Letterman made a crack about the Stones being geriatric as they started the Bigger Bang tour, and Jagger replied that Dave should try doing his job for a night and Jagger would go do Dave's. Dave did not respond.
And here's a headline from the start of the 40 Licks tour ten years ago from the Daily Mail in the UK that completely supports how NOBODY EVER makes fun for the Stones for touring at their age:
The Strolling Bones are ready to hit the road again.
So, you know, poor Madonna is not the only person to have to face what it's like to be older in a field generally understood, correctly or not, to be a young person's game.
And you're right, the Stones do not act like guys in their 60s and 70s onstage. And you know what else they don't do? Bitch about how hard they are working!! When Mick Jagger runs the width of a football stadium while singing live, he does not demand the audience run back and forth with him because he's "working my ass off up here!" Also, when they played Toad's Place, a 700 capacity club in 1989, they played 11 songs in one hour. And they charged $3.01 per ticket. And they most certainly did not whine about how much it had cost them to do the show.
You would think, after all this time, (notice I didn't say "at her age"), Madonna would have picked up some of the very basic showbiz adages. But she always lets them see her sweat and she always complains about the hard work and expense.
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Updated On: 7/28/12 at 11:19 PM
#61
Posted: 7/29/12 at 9:56am
Namo - I have never posted on here, but feel compelled to reply to some of your messages on this thread. I notice that you are usually pretty harsh with Madonna (I am a big fan), but have to say you are pretty fair with some of your comments here and I agree. I am an American living in Denmark and have seen the MDNA tour up front already in 2 different European stadiums. So, I thought for a minute about getting a ticket to see her at Olympia. In the end, I didn't because I think it's silly at this point in my life to spend that much money trying to get a ticket and get to Paris last minute. However, I did watch the streaming version and I was quite shocked when it ended like it did. I'm also getting a little *annoyed* with her comments about having to work to "pay the rent", etc.
The first time I saw Kylie Minogue in concert at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, I was floored. She took an arena show (think it was mainly from the X tour) and put it in a venue that seems to be about the same size as the Olympia. For the money I paid and the intimacy I felt I had with Kylie it was incredible. I really think Madonna had a missed opportunity with this one....
The first time I saw Kylie Minogue in concert at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, I was floored. She took an arena show (think it was mainly from the X tour) and put it in a venue that seems to be about the same size as the Olympia. For the money I paid and the intimacy I felt I had with Kylie it was incredible. I really think Madonna had a missed opportunity with this one....
#62
Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:25am
Kudos to Madonna for motivating you to post after registering 6 years ago!
"trying to get a ticket and get to Paris last minute."
That *does* sound glamorous, though.
"I really think Madonna had a missed opportunity with this one...."
Which has pretty much been the theme of the entire "MDNA" adventure since the release of the pre- ante- ere- fore- buzz-single that was never meant to sell.
Does anybody know if all the gays got out of the Olympia okay? The National Front thugs are not known for their acceptance of gays or for exiting events quietly and without incident.
"trying to get a ticket and get to Paris last minute."
That *does* sound glamorous, though.
"I really think Madonna had a missed opportunity with this one...."
Which has pretty much been the theme of the entire "MDNA" adventure since the release of the pre- ante- ere- fore- buzz-single that was never meant to sell.
Does anybody know if all the gays got out of the Olympia okay? The National Front thugs are not known for their acceptance of gays or for exiting events quietly and without incident.
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#63
Posted: 7/29/12 at 6:13pm
Namo you cant quote the Daily Fail, they insult everyone.
And People take digs at the Rolling Stone in a jokey way, they do not kick the crap out of them for their age
And People take digs at the Rolling Stone in a jokey way, they do not kick the crap out of them for their age
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#64
Posted: 7/29/12 at 6:53pm
Yeah those Keith Richards reptile jokes aren't meant to be mean at all.
Poor Madonna. Only she knows the true agony of being extremely wealthy, ridiculously powerful and more famous than most human beings will ever be. I'll say a prayer tonight that she's not too hurt by what people on the interwebs say about her.
Poor Madonna. Only she knows the true agony of being extremely wealthy, ridiculously powerful and more famous than most human beings will ever be. I'll say a prayer tonight that she's not too hurt by what people on the interwebs say about her.
#65
Posted: 7/29/12 at 9:13pm
As each step in this stage of Madonna's career appears, I find myself more and more baffled by the vehemence with which people have attacked her.
When she performed at the Superbowl, quite a few people bashed her for her physical appearance (She's botoxed, she's hiding her old man hands etc...), called her a phony for lip-syncing parts of it, pounced on her misstep in choreography in an otherwise precise routine and ridiculed her for WORLD PEACE reference.
SHE KEPT MOVING.
When she released MDNA and sales showed a slump in the album's second week on the charts, people called her a has been, called her desperately seeking her younger years and proclaimed her career (yet again) was over, and yet....
SHE KEPT MOVING
When her tour launched and she showed a nipple, then a little butt cheek (on a ridiculously well sculpted body for a woman of ANY age) people called her desperate, when they saw the video footage and guns they called her insensitive and contradictory...
SHE KEPT MOVING.
Now with this Olympia performance, she's being called a greedy SLUT.
and she appears to be moving on... but I wonder at what cost to her as a person.
For the cynics on the board, I know some will argue she hasn't been a person since the 90's, or that her heart's buried in a cage of ice under a bundle of cold hard cash, but I'm curious about the person beneath the persona.
I'm also curious about other public figures who have undergone the level of public personal scrutiny that this woman is subject to?
I doubt she's losing sleep over it, but I find it strange and troubling that in 2012 someone of Madonna's cultural significance is subjected to the kinds of attacks that she is especially since most of the attacks I read have very little to do with her professional/artistic output. More attacks have been leveled at her for being a woman who has the audacity to entertain the way she wants, who has dared to age with her sensuality/sexuality in tact.
Not even sure why Im so curious about this now... but I am and would love to engage in a conversation about it.
When she performed at the Superbowl, quite a few people bashed her for her physical appearance (She's botoxed, she's hiding her old man hands etc...), called her a phony for lip-syncing parts of it, pounced on her misstep in choreography in an otherwise precise routine and ridiculed her for WORLD PEACE reference.
SHE KEPT MOVING.
When she released MDNA and sales showed a slump in the album's second week on the charts, people called her a has been, called her desperately seeking her younger years and proclaimed her career (yet again) was over, and yet....
SHE KEPT MOVING
When her tour launched and she showed a nipple, then a little butt cheek (on a ridiculously well sculpted body for a woman of ANY age) people called her desperate, when they saw the video footage and guns they called her insensitive and contradictory...
SHE KEPT MOVING.
Now with this Olympia performance, she's being called a greedy SLUT.
and she appears to be moving on... but I wonder at what cost to her as a person.
For the cynics on the board, I know some will argue she hasn't been a person since the 90's, or that her heart's buried in a cage of ice under a bundle of cold hard cash, but I'm curious about the person beneath the persona.
I'm also curious about other public figures who have undergone the level of public personal scrutiny that this woman is subject to?
I doubt she's losing sleep over it, but I find it strange and troubling that in 2012 someone of Madonna's cultural significance is subjected to the kinds of attacks that she is especially since most of the attacks I read have very little to do with her professional/artistic output. More attacks have been leveled at her for being a woman who has the audacity to entertain the way she wants, who has dared to age with her sensuality/sexuality in tact.
Not even sure why Im so curious about this now... but I am and would love to engage in a conversation about it.
#66
Posted: 7/29/12 at 9:48pm
What attacks have there been on her as a woman? I see people twisting criticism around to make it fit that (hey, just like the bible! And there was also a Madonna in there, so.....) but I haven't read anything attacking her AS A WOMAN.
#67
Posted: 7/29/12 at 10:36pm
Madonna gets brickbats because she doesn't project class, or that she has aged. Tina Turner wore "too young" clothes, showed "too much" leg, etc. But she's always has rock and roll class. While not in the same age bracket, Deborah Harry, Joan Jett, Cher all get away with not "acting their age" without the criticism Madonna endures. Madonna has always been overtly, blatantly, unabashedly sexual and crass. That persona, when aged, becomes unseemly to some. Especially when it isn't tempered by the person who seems to recognize that a person's age DOES change one's persona.
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#68
Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:16pm
People were nasty about how the Stones looked when they played the Super Bowl. There was nothing jocular about it.
But there is no doubt that women have always had it worse when it comes to expectations of looks in this culture. That's why I *always* point out on here -- and yet no one seems to see themselves in the criticism -- that when you're lamenting how awful people are to be so harsh about Madonna's looks you must try to resist compulsively adding some equivalent to Cax writing: "on a ridiculously well sculpted body for a woman of ANY age." That does not help. That makes you part of the problem.
You are contributing to of the neurosis Madonna developed that sunk so deep in her psyche she has gone from a real gal with real gal curves when she was starting out, to an often sinewy and scary looking bag of bones who owns a chain of cheapo gyms in Mexico and seems absolutely obsessed with her body mass index.
I think the reason people push back on the surgery and other enhancements, is because people who complain about the looksism then give her praise for her looks. they place the value on it. You know, Madonna SHOULD look (to borrow the term) "amazing" when she has spent so much on the finest body money can buy. That in turn puts pressure on women in general, some of whom may be fooled by Madonna into thinking you can get the "ridiculously well sculpted body" without general anesthesia and a scalpel.
"Namo you cant quote the Daily Fail, they insult everyone." Well, that's a cop out, but as it happens I have supplied you with other examples.
But there is no doubt that women have always had it worse when it comes to expectations of looks in this culture. That's why I *always* point out on here -- and yet no one seems to see themselves in the criticism -- that when you're lamenting how awful people are to be so harsh about Madonna's looks you must try to resist compulsively adding some equivalent to Cax writing: "on a ridiculously well sculpted body for a woman of ANY age." That does not help. That makes you part of the problem.
You are contributing to of the neurosis Madonna developed that sunk so deep in her psyche she has gone from a real gal with real gal curves when she was starting out, to an often sinewy and scary looking bag of bones who owns a chain of cheapo gyms in Mexico and seems absolutely obsessed with her body mass index.
I think the reason people push back on the surgery and other enhancements, is because people who complain about the looksism then give her praise for her looks. they place the value on it. You know, Madonna SHOULD look (to borrow the term) "amazing" when she has spent so much on the finest body money can buy. That in turn puts pressure on women in general, some of whom may be fooled by Madonna into thinking you can get the "ridiculously well sculpted body" without general anesthesia and a scalpel.
"Namo you cant quote the Daily Fail, they insult everyone." Well, that's a cop out, but as it happens I have supplied you with other examples.
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Updated On: 7/29/12 at 11:16 PM
#69
Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:22pm
But she's a FIERCE looking sinewy bag of bones. WERQ IT, BITCH!
#70
Posted: 7/30/12 at 1:43am
It's funny Namo, you mentioned my line about her being fit for a woman of ANY age. When I wrote that line it crossed my mind to add "or man" but I did not want to muddy my point. I should have said she's fit by any human standard. She clearly looks after her body was my only point.
As for Jordan's question of WHO has attacked her as a woman...
i think the majority of the criticism that is leveled at her at this stage of her game is some variation of " A woman of her age should know better..."
As for Jordan's question of WHO has attacked her as a woman...
i think the majority of the criticism that is leveled at her at this stage of her game is some variation of " A woman of her age should know better..."
#71
Posted: 7/30/12 at 1:50am
Ok, I still don't see how that's attacking her "woman-ness". When I see something like that I think it reads the same as "a person of her age". Maybe that's just me, though. If the criticisms had included "Women of her age have no business flashin' a tit", that would be different. But "A woman of her age should know better" is saying that
A) She is a female
B) She is in her 50's (not a spring chicken, but nobody's saying she has to be)
C) She should know better than to wave guns around and act the fool when shlt's going down in her home country and it makes her seem insensitive and at the age she has reached she should "know better".
And that's just one example. I don't see that use of the word as attacking her for being a woman at all.
A) She is a female
B) She is in her 50's (not a spring chicken, but nobody's saying she has to be)
C) She should know better than to wave guns around and act the fool when shlt's going down in her home country and it makes her seem insensitive and at the age she has reached she should "know better".
And that's just one example. I don't see that use of the word as attacking her for being a woman at all.
#72
Posted: 7/30/12 at 5:36pm
There's a column in The Huffington Post about the recent negative Madonna press. It includes this quote from Shirley Manson
"The tabloids complain about her looking old, and people laugh at her for that. Then Madonna goes and fixes her face, and they laugh at her for that. Even though they begrudgingly say she looks amazing, they'll still laugh at her for trying to look young. Then she steps out, looking amazing, and the tabloids go and blow up a picture of her aging hand. Nobody's doing that to George Clooney, blowing up pictures of his hands! I look at these magazines, and I want to say to them, What's your point? That she's aged? Does that surprise you? Or is your 'point' an attempt to undercut what she's achieved? I think it is, even if it's on a subconscious level. And you probably wouldn't turn down those hands if they were grabbing you under the table, you ****ing idiots."
I have to admit I don't really want to see her nipples anymore either. More because I don't think she needs to shock with in your face sexuality anymore. She can do the same thing without flashing a nip.
But I do think she gets unfairly slammed in the press. The whole gun thing was nuts. Madonna is supposed to change her show in Scotland when the violent movie that inspired the shooting was playing in theaters less than a mile from Aurora? The media was doing everything it could to convince us it was our patriotic duty to see The Dark Night at the same time we're supposed to be outraged about Madonna dancing around with guns.
(Golden) Material Girl
"The tabloids complain about her looking old, and people laugh at her for that. Then Madonna goes and fixes her face, and they laugh at her for that. Even though they begrudgingly say she looks amazing, they'll still laugh at her for trying to look young. Then she steps out, looking amazing, and the tabloids go and blow up a picture of her aging hand. Nobody's doing that to George Clooney, blowing up pictures of his hands! I look at these magazines, and I want to say to them, What's your point? That she's aged? Does that surprise you? Or is your 'point' an attempt to undercut what she's achieved? I think it is, even if it's on a subconscious level. And you probably wouldn't turn down those hands if they were grabbing you under the table, you ****ing idiots."
I have to admit I don't really want to see her nipples anymore either. More because I don't think she needs to shock with in your face sexuality anymore. She can do the same thing without flashing a nip.
But I do think she gets unfairly slammed in the press. The whole gun thing was nuts. Madonna is supposed to change her show in Scotland when the violent movie that inspired the shooting was playing in theaters less than a mile from Aurora? The media was doing everything it could to convince us it was our patriotic duty to see The Dark Night at the same time we're supposed to be outraged about Madonna dancing around with guns.
(Golden) Material Girl
#73
Posted: 7/30/12 at 6:11pm
There's nothing tragic about being fifty. Not unless you're trying to be twenty-five.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#74
Posted: 7/30/12 at 7:58pm
Clooney isn't on stage half dressed! Neither is Jagger. Madonna brings this on herself, and her fans are probably more bothered by it than she is. Or, I HOPE she's not bothered by it, because she knows exactly what she's doing, how people will react, and how to milk it. She's been doing it for 30 years.
Live by the sexual sword, die by the sexual sword. So to speak.
Live by the sexual sword, die by the sexual sword. So to speak.
"Through The Sacrifice You Made, We Can't Believe The Price You Paid..For Love!"
#75
Posted: 7/30/12 at 8:11pm
"Clooney isn't on stage half dressed!"
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