Nectar of the Gods!- Page 9

[Phantom2]

Posted: 3/6/06 at 11:17pm

Can someone please summarize this thread in one sentence?

Posted: 3/6/06 at 11:20pm

The thread created a discussion and corine did not come up until the very end and it was someone defending her.

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 3/6/06 at 11:30pm

Addy makes a really good point. Nobody has to post on any thread. It's a choice. All of our behaviors are choices.

So there's no need to join in if we don't want to.

I don't think this thread is something to apologize for, DG. Your original intention was a positive one, I believe.

Posted: 3/7/06 at 1:02am

Updated On: 3/23/06 at 01:02 AM

[MasterLcZ]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:00am

Yeah, DG...this place IS exactly like junior high.

[orion59]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:33am

And there, in Corine's last post, you have the prefect example of why she is the victim. She seeks it out, like most perpetual victims do.

[alterego]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:34am

I am a supporter of Corine and her column. I wish her no harm. Where does that place me? Updated On: 3/7/06 at 07:34 AM

[Sumofallthings]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:47am

Since I am THE Broadway World God since I have been here almost the longest, I decree a national day of Sum. Worship me!

[alterego]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:55am

Ok, you just beat me on getting here Sumofall things!

Posted: 3/7/06 at 8:28am

Oh, Master, you jokester, you.

[bdwaygirl]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 8:38am

The only BWW Gods I know are Rob and Craig!

[MasterLcZ]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 9:32am

But its TWUE, Jose', It's TWUE!

[SkierRob02]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 9:36am

I LOVE this post. Haven't been on here in awhile just because of the elitist, exclusionary attitudes that fly around here.

Let's just say, I agree.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 10:44am

"Just for the record - Corine PMed me about this almost immediately, and explained her uncomfortableness. I then e-mailed the moderator - or whoever gets the e-mail when you send one of those 'contact BWW emails - and asked to have it deleted. That was this morning, and here the thread still is!

I agree with what you've said, and I tried to do something about it. but . . ."

I can't help but wonder why you didn't just edit the Corine reference out of you original post... It doesn't take a moderator to do that.

[DAME]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 11:36am

Maybe it just didn't occur to him?

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 11:49am

Probably, Dame. I wasn't implying anything sinister. As a person who uses the edit feature all the time to correct spelling, grammar, and the extraneous commas in any given post of mine, it never occurs to me that others aren't overtly familiar with the feature.

*edited, of course, to correct a spelling error...

Updated On: 3/7/06 at 11:49 AM

[DAME]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 12:16pm

I know you weren't implying anything sinister.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 6:14pm

The funny thing is, what DG was originally referring to really didn't have to do with Corine's column. It had to do with the esoteric drive-by potshots taken at her expense in virtually any topic, many of which don't have to do with her column at all.

"You can't do that and invite feedback, and then freak out because someone takes issue with your writing. If you set yourself up as a public figure, you also set yourself up for comments on your work, both the good and the bad. You just really can't have it both ways."

When did she freak out about the comments made on her column? Nearly all of the time have I seen her take the most vicious verbal attacks in stride and shrug them off, so I'm not sure where this is coming from, though I admit to not reading every single thread in full, so maybe I missed something. Actually, she and Jarico and I discussed this sort of thing over dinner and a show last summer and she really laughs most of it off. And her ultimate reaction to this is not a complete surprise to me.

But I imagine she can be pushed over the edge, like everyone else. And let's face it, there are a number of people who push Corine and push hard on practically a daily basis. I think it's impossible to pretend that it's just "life" or "human nature" that "these things happen". People do it on purpose, plain and simple, and then try to justify their way out of accepting responsibility or projecting blame on the victim as "asking for it" like they're Jodi Foster in The Accused. It's immature and cruel. Period.

Updated On: 3/7/06 at 06:14 PM

[orion59]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:17pm

So, what is the real issue here? Is it that people have made fun of Corine and that is cruel an unfair or is it this elitist clique that people think exists for the sole purpose of excluding them?

This whole clique things is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is that if you know certain people or associate with certain groups, you are part of an exclusionary group and have evil inetntions.

Going by DG's criteria for the BWW Gods, I guess I would fit in with group because I know and like certain people. However, I also know and like another group of people that includes DG and started in a thread that was somewhat exclusive and exclusionary. I would never exclude anyone from a conversation or a group unless they were clearly a jerk. Many of the people who would be considered "BWW Gods" would feel the same way. It's rather insulting to poeple to be judged for who they interact with when they are open to all sorts of people and groups.

I think the real issue is that there are a couple of people who post here that are intriguing becasue they are enigmas with numerous rumors surrounding them. Whatever their reasons are, they choose to interact with some people and not others. If you happen to be one of the people they connect with, everything is fine. If not, they have started a clique that excludes people and that's wrong.

People gravitate to those with whom they have common inerests. It's not elitist, it's the way life is.

Not to pick a fight with DG, because I have always thought him to be one of the sincerely nice people here and one of the most eloquent and intelligent people on the board, but I didn't hear any complaints of elitism when a group of people, the adults over a certain age, were hanging out on the board with a woman whose identity everyone wanted to know and who was surrounded by more rumors than Namo.

Isn't that what it comes down to in many cases? Not the fact that there are groups of individuals who connect, but there are some with whom we will never be able to connect and it hurts our feelings not to be in on something that we perceive (often wrongly)to be something wonderful? Why continue to perpetuate this idea that BWW is a high school-like atmosphere where the cool kids reign?

[DG]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:53pm

Orion - first of all, thanks for the kind words, although it does seem rather ironic in a thread that I spewed forth such bile.

I know of the situation that you referenced, and I seem to recall much debate during that time as to how appropriate it was to pursue the actual identity of the poster. For the record, I believe I was always on the side of maintaining privacy (at least by my recollection.)

The clique discussion seems to have arisen because of the inept way I went about addressing what was bothering me - what a surprise, I know. I tried to post again with a more rational idea of where I was coming from - pretty much built around the idea that what is being perceived as 'cliquishness' is basically just like minds seeking each other out. Personally, I haven't perceived the difficulty in communicating with anyone on the board - it's just that, for the most part, much of the conversations are between the same groups of posters because of common interests, perspectives or just simple ease of connection.

I really was just bothered by what Mister Matt referred to as the 'esoteric drive-by potshots' (which was exactly how I was perceiving them, just not communicating it very well.) I've absolutely read everything said - especially by iflit - and I certainly don't think that anyone owes Corine any niceties about her work. As has been pointed out, it is made public, and therefore invites public scrutiny. Perhaps it's just a perspective thing, but I really do see these mocking references popping up all over the place - and with seemingly no connection to the discussion at hand.

But, as we all know, everyone has the right to their self-expression here. It ultimately is up to me how I react to it - like everything else in life.

[shameless]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 7:56pm

I have one last comment on the cliques issue. For the first few months I was here, there were a lot of threads that I stayed away from because I felt intimidated. It was clear that the posters in those threads were all good friends.

But no one said anything to make me feel unwelcome. It was just me being my shy, geeky self and being afraid that I wouldn’t be accepted. I think it’s the same for a lot of people here, especially the younger posters, and that the cliques are more perception than reality. Ok, I’m done.

[Jane2]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 10:50pm

What if you're not in any clique?

[Musical_nerd]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 10:54pm

I'm intimidated, like shameless said, and I'm sure a lot of the other teens are too- especially after the "We Need an Adult Board" controversy.

I'm not going to complain though, since I choose to not participate, so I'm just speaking for others who are not speaking up in this thread because they don't want to be shot down by the "BWW Gods".

[BluCat500]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 10:57pm

Aw, Mary you're my BWW God.

[Musical_nerd]

Posted: 3/7/06 at 11:01pm

I meant that I don't have a problem with seperate groups, it happens, without it BWW wouldn't be so much fun. I put even myself into groups of people that I just click better with, agewise or interestwise or maturitywise.

But, I can understand where some people are coming from if they really want to join in a topic but are just too afraid because a group is close knit. It happens.