Obama Wins Majority of Pledged Delegates! — Page 3

Romantico - I have to disagree with you regarding independents. Most recent polls show Obama polling better with independents. While he certainly has some demographic issues, winning the general election doesn't mean you have to win every state or every demographic. What I find lacking in the Clinton campaign's argument is their definition of swing states. An Obama/McCain electoral map may look very different from a Clinton/McCain map. She may need a state like West Virginia, while he may be able to swing a state like Colorado.

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As of right now, Obama is holding an 8 point lead over McCain.
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Posted by tazber...

"Luscious decided everyone who didn't support Obama was racist."

You're a filthy, Obama-hating liar, tazber. I did nothing of the sort, and you know it. You must be taking lessons in truth telling from your candidate of choice... when she isn't being fired at by snipers.

What I said is... "If you're willing to vote for someone WHO IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN just so a black man isn’t elected president, then you're a racist. And an idiot."

"If you're a Hillary supporter but would vote for McCain over Obama, then you're either a racist OR YOU DON'T VOTE BASED ON THE ISSUES. WHICH IS IT? Or, if there is any other rationale, by all means, let's hear it."

And I posed the questions (that you still haven’t answered)...
"If you're against the war continuing indefinitely, how could you vote for McCain? If you’re in favor of a woman's right to choose, how could you vote for McCain? If you’re for universal health care, how could you vote for McCain?"

Posted by PalJoey...

"But can he unite the Democratic Party? Not with supporters like Lush calling people who disagree with her "drunks" in need of 12-step groups."

I didn’t call TheatreDiva a drunk because he/she disagreed with me. I called him/her a drunk because his/her comments were unintelligible and banal and made him/her sound like he/she had been drinking. And pardon me PJ, but in my initial post I congratulated Hillary on her big win in Kentucky. If the Democratic Party fails to unite after Obama wins the nomination, it won’t be because of supporters like me, but rather "supporters" (and I use the term loosely) like yourself that use every opportunity to bash the candidate that they purport to now be supporting. Shame on YOU!

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Updated On: 5/21/08 at 12:19 PM

Well, I think he is anti gay but I won;t not vote for him just for that reason. Clinton may be losing but you seem to forget she won a state yesterday and last week as did Obama. Are you saying those who voted for her should be ignored? Their votes don't count?

If Obama is a uniter, why are we all still divided? I agree with you and despite our differences on who the better candidate is, you and I both DO NOT WANT MCCAINE TO WIN. Right? Can we agree on at least that?

Obama and Clinton will be the ones to unite the party. Not just Hillary and not just Barack but BOTH OF THEM. I have warmed up to Obama not because I feel he is better than Hillary but I feel he is better than McCaine. I have some big issues with Obama but even bigger ones with McCaine, so Obama as of now, has my vote (however, if Hillary is not on the ticket this could change, we'll have to wait and see) For the same reasons Pal Joey and JRB are uniting and supporting Obama. The Hillary haters here need to do the same thing. They need to embrace her and realize she, like Obama wants to win in November.

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Updated On: 5/21/08 at 12:20 PM

“I am praying people like Luscious overthrow your kind of Obamites.”

When Luscious posts things like, “You're a filthy, Obama-hating liar” as well as lying about me, why would anyone want to be like it?


Besides, this whole thread just proves how hateful the Obama supporters are, underneath their shiny veneer.

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To any Clinton supporters who are undecided or unsure about supporting Obama - you shouldn't let your decision be impacted (either way) by any disparaging comments on this board. Decide on the issues. By the way, if you're considering voting for McCain, I can assure you that his supporters are far more obnoxious than anything you'll find here. Try watching FoxNews and get a load of the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, Rove, etc. Listen to them put on the likes of Oliver North to criticize Obama's position on Iran (really, they had the nerve to do that).

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"Well, I think he is anti gay but I won;t not vote for him just for that reason."

Well I'm glad you will ignore your thinking because you are wrong. Do you understand? What you are assuming is prejudice.


"Clinton may be losing but you seem to forget she won a state yesterday and last week as did Obama. Are you saying those who voted for her should be ignored? Their votes don't count?"

No I have said on here before I think she should continue running as long as she wants. I didn't like the negative campaigning but that is over now. Yes I think votes should count, yes yes yes. Her win yesterday was nothing short of awesome.


"If Obama is a uniter, why are we all still divided? "

To begin with you wont listen to reason and lay down your misconceptions. The gay thing in particular baffles me.

The thing about Obama is this, he has never set out to change people. People that WANT change come to him. He is change in that simple message. He is inherently change because of skin color but that is not his message. If you are not going to vote for him then don't. If you don't like his message and you don't like him as a candidate pick someone else.


"you and I both DO NOT WANT MCCAINE TO WIN. Right? Can we agree on at least that?"

Certainly.

"For the same reasons Pal Joey and JRB are uniting and supporting Obama the Hillary haters here need to do the same thing. They need to embrace her and realize she, like Obama wants to win in November."

Well for a while there when it was clear she couldn't win, it seemed like she didn't want either to win in November. That made many democrats very angry. The party will come together. But don't count me in with people that personify these "leaders." I look at them with the same eyes. These people didn't get where they are by being nice. Nice guys finish last, ask Dennis Kuccinich.

Updated On: 5/21/08 at 12:34 PM

Are you working for the McCain campaign mjhf?

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JRB - those electoral maps can be misleading. Those numbers you quote give electoral votes to a candidate with as little as a 1% lead based on weeks-, if not months-, old individual polls.

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The swing states--Obama and/or Clinton swing states--are fairly current.

I realize that could all change by November, but it's just important to realize what has been the political reality for some time now.

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As posted by tazber on 5/13/08 at 10:07 AM...
"I loathe Obama, and still won't support him."

In my dictionary the words "loathe" and "hate" are synonymous.

As posted by PalJoey...
Taz--I think that should be your new signature: "Filthy, Obama-hating liar"

Perhaps it should.

And you should try growing up a little yourself, PJ. Try practicing a little of what you preach.

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Updated On: 5/21/08 at 12:48 PM

MJHF, I have posted links to back up why I am disappointed on Obamas anti gay stand. Its you have ignored them. Do a google search. There is plenty. You have an answer for everything and ignore the tough questions.

http://gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18956221&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=568864&rfi=6

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