Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
#1Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/14/10 at 4:54pm
Big surprise!
"The Justice Department has begun the process of appealing the ruling that Don't Ask, Don't Tell is unconstitutional. NBC's Pete Williams reports that Obama administration lawyers have asked for a stay of the permanent injunction."
DADT appeal by Obama Admin
Updated On: 10/14/10 at 04:54 PM
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#2Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/14/10 at 4:58pmLink no worky.
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#3Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/14/10 at 5:05pm
Well, at least he's talking about the issue!
Up next: "Obama: I believe water is wet."
And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."
#5Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/14/10 at 6:26pm
No worries. He tweeted this:
#6Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/14/10 at 6:45pm
I wonder if he's waiting to repeal DADT right after the mid-term elections (or is that just me being hopeful and naive?).
Hey Dottie!
Did your colleagues enjoy the cake even though your cat decided to sit on it? ~GuyfromGermany
Updated On: 10/14/10 at 06:45 PM
#7Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 10:17am
The courts aren't waiting on him.
U.S. Military Moves to Accept Gay Recruits
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: October 19, 2010
The historic move follows a series of decisions by a federal judge in California, Virginia A. Phillips, who ruled last month that the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law violates the equal protection and First Amendment rights of service members. On Oct. 12, she ordered the military to stop enforcing the law.
President Obama has said that the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy “will end on my watch.” But the Department of Justice, following its tradition of defending laws passed by Congress, has fought efforts by the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay organization, to overturn the policy.
Judge Phillips on Tuesday denied requests by the government to maintain the status quo during the appeals process.
The Pentagon has stated its intent to file an appeal in case of such a ruling. But meanwhile, it has started complying with Judge Phillips’s instructions while the dispute over her orders plays out.
New instructions were e-mailed to recruiters on Friday for handling situations in which applicants volunteer their sexual orientation. Recruiters do not ask about sexual orientation and have not since the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law went into effect in the 1990s.
Recruiters were also told that they must inform the applicants that the moratorium on “don’t ask, don’t tell” could be reversed.
R. Clarke Cooper, the executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, applauded the Pentagon decision as “a huge deal.”
Mr. Cooper noted, however, that under the new rules, a service member who announces his or her sexual orientation “does run the risk of discharge if the ruling is overturned — if there is a successful appeal by the Department of Justice.”
“They do need to be aware of that possibility,” he said.
Mr. Cooper, a member of the Army Reserve, said that he was taking part in training last week at Fort Huachuca in Arizona when the injunction was issued, and that he was surprised by the lack of visible opposition or outcry.
He likened it to a “giant shoulder shrug of ‘so what?’ ”
Most of the people he was with, he added, were younger members of the service, and “a few people actually thought repeal had already occurred.”
Cynthia Smith, a Pentagon spokeswoman, would not address a question about whether a recruit who volunteered that he was gay during the current suspension of the law might face expulsion from the military if the decision were appealed.
She called that situation hypothetical and said only that recruiters had been reminded that “they need to set expectations by informing the applicant that a reversal for the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ law may occur.”
An opponent of service by openly gay men and lesbians dismissed the Pentagon shift as “a political ploy.”
Elaine Donnelly, the founder of the Center for Military Readiness, a conservative organization that opposes gay service in the military, said Congress, under the Constitution, has the authority to draft rules for the military.
The Department of Justice, she added, acted properly by filing its request for a stay. “There was no need to introduce this additional element of disconnect with the law and precedent and policy,” Ms. Donnelly said. “The military doesn’t need this — but this is what the Department of Defense did, and frankly, I find it inexplicable.”
Military recruiters around the country were adjusting to the change in policy on Tuesday.
Dan Choi, who was discharged from the Army under “don’t ask, don’t tell,” tried to re-enlist at the Armed Forces Recruiting Station in Times Square. Photographers and reporters crowded around the door, and they, in turn, were ringed by tourists and bystanders.
Mr. Choi emerged from the recruiting station and said, “They’re processing me.”
He added that the recruiters had not been rattled by his request, and he poked fun at the oft-repeated argument that repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell” would affect unit cohesion in the military. “They didn’t disintegrate in there,” he said. “Their unit cohesion is doing just fine.”
Another former service member was not as successful in his attempt. Will Rodriguez-Kennedy, who is the president of the Log Cabin Republicans’ San Diego chapter, showed up at a recruiting station in El Cajon, Calif., on Tuesday afternoon to see if he could rejoin the Marines after being honorably discharged two years ago.
The visit was brief. The Marines, the recruiter told him, had very few slots for prior-service Marines to return to duty, and the current quota was filled.
“I have to wait now until December or January” to find out if more spaces open up, he said.
“I have no idea what to do now other than wait,” said Mr. Rodriguez-Kennedy, 23. He then went back to San Diego Mesa College, where he is a sophomore, to take a Japanese exam.
Omar Lopez, who served four and a half years in the Navy and was honorably discharged in 2006 under “don’t ask, don’t tell,” tried to re-enlist the day after Judge Phillips issued her injunction. He was rejected by recruiters who said they had received no instructions about the injunction, or about accepting gay recruits.
Dan Woods, the lawyer for the Log Cabin Republicans, sent a letter to the Department of Justice warning that rejecting Mr. Lopez and other openly gay recruits meant that “the Defense Department would appear to be in violation of the court’s injunction and subject to citation for contempt” of court.
Mr. Lopez, a college student in Austin, Tex., said he is not a member of the Log Cabin Republicans, and in fact is “mostly Democrat.”
He said he was gratified to hear that his experience might have nudged policies forward. “I’m really glad that it had that impact,” he added, and vowed to try again. He said he was not concerned that returning to the military at this point might put him under special scrutiny.
“I think I wouldn’t go back as a gay man,” he explained. “I would go back as a soldier.”
Elisabeth Bumiller and Andrew Keh contributed reporting.
A version of this article appeared in print on October 20, 2010, on page A1 of the New York edition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/us/politics/20military.html?_r=1&hp
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#8Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 10:26am
"I wonder if he's waiting to repeal DADT right after the mid-term elections."
The repeal of DADT was filibustered in the Senate by the GOP. With the GOP expected to control the House, and the Dem majority in the Senate to be minimal, its chance of repeal has gone down dramatically. The next best resolution is in the courts.
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#9Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 10:59pm
He's got a funny way of showing us he loves us.
Obama Administration Wins Temporary Restoration Of Gay Military Ban
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#10Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:02pmThat didn't take long. How sunk is he when the Log Cabinets are more progressive than he is?
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#11Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:13pm
I would say it's about as low as he can go, but he keeps surprising me.
One of the most devastating comments on the JoeMyGod was
Obama to Gays: "Silly faggots, hope is for heteros!"
#12Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:30pm
PalJoey, I'm with you. I was absolutely speechless when I saw the story on MSN. Obama just plain confuses me. Someone really needs to play him back his numerous speeches and promises, especially the speech he made at the HRC dinner last year.
Hey Dottie!
Did your colleagues enjoy the cake even though your cat decided to sit on it? ~GuyfromGermany
Updated On: 10/20/10 at 11:30 PM
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#13Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:35pmHRC? Well, lie down with dogs ...
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#14Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:39pm
He can say and do anything he wants and the HRC is going to justify it like pampered little lap dogs.
"Pssst - BARACK! Remember this?"
And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."
Updated On: 10/20/10 at 11:39 PM
#15Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:49pm
Joe Solmonese says,
"What'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis?"
And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."
#16Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/20/10 at 11:57pmIn my opinion, the president should exercise the "change" he wants to bring about. And he may have to realize it won't be the way he wants it to be. I think he should let the ruling stand, point the fingers at the people who won't repeal DADT and say "If it had to happen this way, then so be it. I stand by it".
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#17Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 5:15pm
I have to say that last week I thought I was ok with the DOJ "routinely defending" the case. But the more I learn, the more troubling I find all of this. I especially find it difficult to accept the DOJ's actions given how the ban's temporary demise went down: the military seemingly didn't throw a fit and there were no protests or riots. The military simply ceased discharges and started admitting openly gay recruits. Like no big deal.
So, I find this stay mind-boggling. I find myself very distrusting of the alleged "plan" Obama has. In fact, I'm starting to get very angry though I am trying to be patient and see where the next couple of months take us.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 10/10/03
#18Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 5:28pmIt was almost easier when you knew from the get-go that the guy in charge was going to screw you.
Sueleen Gay: "Here you go, Bitch, now go make some fukcing lemonade." 10/28/10
#19Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 6:12pm
You know, here's what I find amusing. Obama is losing the faith of his LGBT supporters very fast and in the not too distant future he's going to be asking us for our support in his reelection to which I'm already willing to give him a big FU. I'm interested to know if his campaign promises next term will be te same as this one, with a "thank you for your patience, change will come soon" message that we should all of a sudden believe.
Well fool me once, Mr. President...
#20Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 7:59pmHe HAS to remove DOMA or DADT in the next 2 years or he's toast with the gay community. It's at that point. Put out or shut up.
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Broadway Legend Joined: 11/3/05
#21Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 8:02pm
"He HAS to remove DOMA or DADT in the next 2 years or he's toast with the gay community"
And then what? If he's the Dem nomination, what then? This is exactly what they've always relied on - and not just with the gay vote.
#22Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 8:03pmNo, he has to do it a lot sooner than that otherwise it will look as if he's doing it JUST to get the gay vote (and I can almost guarantee he won't be getting mine again) either way. He's proven himself to be nothing but a liar and no better than Bush when it comes to our rights. Sorry, but for a black man who spouts about civil rights being so important he's full of shlt.
#23Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 10:11pm
I've always said he acts toward the gay community like the straight frat guy who got really drunk one night and swapped blowjobs with some guy and then spent the rest of his life pwith a chip on his shoulder, believing that all gay guys want to suck his dick and make him suck theirs.
Get over it, dude. Seriously. We want civil rights from you, not your goddamn booty.
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#24Obama administration preparing to appeal DADT ruling.
Posted: 10/21/10 at 11:30pm
He's traipsing dangerously close to "it's too late baby" territory, in my opinion. FOUR HOURS and then DOJ got the stay? Come on. A mere three or four weeks and people would have been saying, "What was all the fuss about? Why were we so scared of this?"
It seems clear to me that he is doing this so DADT going "down on his watch," as it were, won't be used against him in his obligatory reelection bid. And he's such a fool to think THIS is the issue, when everything he touches is turned into an issue against him.
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