Oklahoma City Univ. Summer Program is AMAZZZING

[WaitingForKathy]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 11:18am

I suprised my friend by going to "Les Miserables" last night at the OCU summer music theater camp and OMG..it was the most amazing show I have ever seen. It was like watching a Broadway tour..really talented students. They're Eponone was way better than the girl I saw a few months ago in NYC. My friend said she had the best experience of her life at OCU, and she has attended Stagedoor and the Michigan programs. She sent a link of pictures from the summer (she's in a few!LOL) http://www.flickr.com/photos/59013450@N00/.

She said that they're talking about doing Sweeney Todd next year or maybe Hairspray! I hope to be there!!

Updated On: 7/28/07 at 11:18 AM

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 1:18pm

Oh god. I love how you find a way to talk about how OCU is better than stagedoor and michigan in every post you make.

[WSS2]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 2:38pm

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 2:47pm

haha wss, everyone knows you're one of the ocu shills too.

[erinrebecca]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 3:39pm

You have a lot more credibility when you praise a particular school if you refrain from denigrating others. Some people seem incapable of doing this.

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 5:36pm

Wow jg and erin...perhaps it's time for you to take your own advice. Someone is here to share their opinion and they have every right not to have you immature twits jumping down their throats.

Just goes to show two fine examples of what Stagedoor produces. Great job kids. Keep it up! Connie is sooo proud of you.

Updated On: 7/28/07 at 05:36 PM

[erinrebecca]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 5:56pm

Mr. Tuttle, perhaps you should think before you post. I did not attend Stage Door. I've never even been there. My point was that it's wonderful to share information about various schools and summer programs. Hooray for liking the program you attend. I am always skeptical, though, of people who for whatever reason cannot do this without then saying something negative about another school or program.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 6:22pm

Mr. Tuttle, that's actually hilarious. Please don't pretend like you haven't seen the other things these two have posted. They go out of their way to promote OCU, but they also go out of their way to put down wonderful programs and turn kids down from attending them with lies (read how he said his friend was lied to about rooming...guess what, this was well before they told anyone about who and where they would room with). They're not sharing an opinion, he uses his "friend" so he can't be called a shill.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 6:25pm

And yes, I did go to stagedoor and it was an amazing experience. I loved it. I was seriously considering OCU until I saw all these posts. With many different people saying how great stagedoor was and also posting about other things, and with about 4 people saying how amazing ocu was, and putting down everything else, it turned me off of the program big time. If this is their way of marketing they need to seriously rethink it.

[flicker_]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 7:47pm

"My friend said she had the best experience of her life at OCU, and she has attended Stagedoor and the Michigan programs."

Oooh, yeah, real cutthroat statement there. God, relax people.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 7:59pm

I'm guessing you haven't seen the identical previous posts...

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 9:14pm

Gawd..erin and jg are soo smart. Here they talk bad about others who share their opinions and then, when they get called out, go crying like the babies they are.

And I'm sure that OCU is only in rapture about your decision not to apply. Of course, one could only imagine if you would be lucky to be accepted. If Stagedoor is your goal in life, all the best. Perhaps it would be best for you to stay away from a real trainging program. Maybe you could put on an OBC and dance around your living room? Maybe a summer anger management program would be best for you.

Bitter..party of two.

[erinrebecca]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 10:06pm

Mr.Tuttle, the only individual I see who is bitter here is you. I didn't call anyone out, even though I could have since probably 99% of waitingforkathy's posts have been similar to the one here, shilling for OCU and saying negatives about other programs. I never attended any pre-college program, and am already a college grad and working actor so I have no pony in this race. I just think it's inappropriate to be negatively speaking of ANY program if you haven't attended, and, from what I can see, waitingforkathy has yet to attend ANY program.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/28/07 at 10:25pm

That's funny tuttle. What are you doing right now? I've actually just made it to the final callbacks of a broadway show...hmm. That makes me look like a loser for saying that but it's not very fair of you to assume I'm untalented because I disagree with your views. Look around at what Waitingforkathy, wss2, Rockyroad,etc. have posted. Just look. Maybe you shouldn't go around making judgements about others when you fully know that you're being a hypocrite. Hello, how many times have you badmouthed CCM on here? Oh, but if I dare badmouth your darling OCU I'd be eaten to death.
Updated On: 7/28/07 at 10:25 PM

[Mr. Tuttle]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 12:52pm

You see, my talentless friend, sharing one's opinion doesn mean bad mouthing. Just beacuse our opinions don't agree with your final word is just too bad. It's called "get over it." Deal. Move on. And, as you can see, there are several here who don't share your opinion. Mine included. You don't rule here. Get over yourself.

And how pitiful is it that you keep track of people posting here? Sad actually. You really don't have a life, do you? And I pitty the show that "called you back." You see, this is a small business. Idiots and mean people like you don't last nor make it. But perhaps this is what your valued Stagedoor teaches you to do....be a problem and get work! Yeah..that's the ticket! You better hope you never end up with a show I'm involved with.

All the best with your "career."

[ILoveMyDictionary]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 12:57pm

Oh my...Why so much anger?
Updated On: 7/29/07 at 12:57 PM

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 1:32pm

Oh, mr. Tuttle. Ha. I doubt you went to stagedoor, and if you did, you probably were placed in the chorus and have been bitter ever since. Lets know the truth, tuttle. Why do you have a grudge against stagedoor? What did they do to you? Why do you assume all stagedoor kids are bad? Why? I actually can't believe I'm responding. You're probably the BIGGEST hypocrite I've ever encountered in my life. That's right, I'm talentless. You've only ever talked to me on the internet. What a great way to judge talent. Yeah, sharing your opinion DOES mean badmouthing sometimes. You don't just share your opinion, you parade it around like it's fact. So how dare you call me mean tuttle, please, tell me, have you actually READ any of your posts? There is not a kind tone to ONE of them. It's not hard to keep track tuttle, I have a good memory, and you're always on here talking bad about one thing or another. Stop trying to pretend like you ever say anything good about anything. You only contribute negative energy to this board. The only reason I commented on this post was because of how ridiculous the shilling is. I have never seen an OCU post without comparing it to stagedoor, michigan, or NYU. That is being bitter and mean.
Updated On: 7/29/07 at 01:32 PM

[Soozie]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 1:41pm

Mr. Tuttle,
Your post speaks for itself. Denigrating other posters and bashing other programs is offensive and a juvenile form of discourse. I don't see anyone bashing OCU. To my knowledge, from speaking to those who have attended the program, it was good and they enjoyed it. I agree with Erinrebecca (who has NOTHING to gain as she never went to UMich or Stagedoor Manor's programs) that a poster comes across as more credible when praising a program without using the opportunity to bash another. I put a lot more stock into posts that say, "I enjoyed X program because of A, B, C reasons." If they wish to do a comparison and have actually had FIRST HAND experiences at different programs, they can say, "I like X program better than Y because certain things appealed to me more than certain things (being specific) at Y." Nobody said that posting unsatisfactory opinions are not OK. But what is going on here is that there is a post about a program someone enjoyed and rather than just saying why they enjoyed it, there is an attempt to say it was better than other programs and attempting to put other programs down.

As far as following other posters' posts, frequent readers DO get a sense of certain posters over time. When certain posters use many opportunities to bash a program, there seems to be an agenda. It comes across in an offensive manner.

I have children who have attended summer programs and also colleges, and I have ONLY heard them say why they love their program or college, and never put down others. They can articulate why they chose theirs over others but have NOTHING against the other programs/schools. You can like one thing a lot without bashing all others. Everyone should pick a program or school that fits what they want. So, they will naturally prefer one over the other. That doesn't mean they think ILL of the other and realize that other students will certainly enjoy the other programs/schools they did not pick.

When I read a post like yours on this thread and on some others where you characterize other posters as untalented, or those who attend certain programs as "egotistical", or certain programs are not "real training programs," or certain programs are not good even if the poster has never attended themself, or other posters are "idiots" or "will never make it" (based on what information??), it makes me think more about the messenger than the message.

When you can only praise a program and promote it while also bashing others, it really says something of those making such comments.

So, tell me why you wish to bash UMich's MPulse on Stagedoor Manor? Have you attended? I am not saying they are the best. I think all these programs are good but differ and it is a matter of finding a program that suits what you want. I can't imagine speaking negatively of OCU, and I can't see why many OCU promoters find a need to put down other programs. It really is off putting and makes everything else they say about OCU seem less valuable because it is encroached in offensive remarks. Again, those who I personally know who have enjoyed OCU's summer program have never come across as saying it is the best and better than others, nor put down other programs. Same with those who I know who have attended other programs whom I have never heard put down OCU. Why some posters here seem to have to discuss OCU in the context of speaking negatively of other programs is not helpful to those who wish to learn more about the programs. If anything, it gives a message or attitude that is not pretty, about the promoters of the program who want to go out of their way to bash anyone who attends other worthwhile programs.


Further, why not just say you love a program? Why have to say it is the "best"? My kids loved their summer programs and they love their colleges. They, nor I, would ever consider that these are the best of all but simply that these were ones they loved and were best for THEM.

I cross posted with the previous poster but am also curious your knowledge of the program you wish to bash and if you have ever attended? Having no first hand experience would put your opinions in a different light. It helps to know where you are coming from. Updated On: 7/29/07 at 01:41 PM

[PeaceFrog]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 2:40pm

Mr. Tuttle,
Are you an OCU student or grad? If so, I imagine the faculty would appreciate it if you would put a lid on the attitude. It speaks very poorly of what is probably in reality a very good MT program. I too have noticed a trend with OCU posters both here and on another group that comes off to this impartial observer as something of an institutional inferiority complex. You don't see that kind of thing coming from students of the undisputedly top programs. They don't need it.

[WaitingForKathy]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 5:18pm

It find it so interesting that all these Stagedoor people will come out and cry foul. Who was it that attacked MY FRIEND's OPINION? It was Stagedoor people. All these Stagedoor folks have done is come out an attack me for someone else's opinion.

And what's sadder is that Soozivt is a so-called counselor for College Confidential. Is this how you talk to potential prospects? Why would I want to work with someone as rude as you? You have said time and time again on that site how you love Stagedoor and GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to bash anyone who has a negative opinion.

And so all you little Stagedoor cry babies can take a break, here's a section from the email my friend sent:

"I can't tell you how amazing the OCU summer program is. These three weeks were awesome. I learned much more than I did at Stagedoor program. They actually held daily classes where we did things - acting, dance, master classes, diction. The "Les Miserables" show was amazing. The director made the whole production a wonderful and life changinging experience."

So there. Now you Stagedoor babies can go cry. But of course you'll first whine about how someone is attacking the best camp ever. It's time to get over it. People have different opinions and this is a message board.

And I'm glad that people get a chance to see how these Stagedoor people act. Why would anyone want to go to a place that fills their participants with such anger?

And I also find it interesting how erin's and jg's posts are so close in time. This doesn't happen in real life.



Updated On: 7/29/07 at 05:18 PM

[ILoveMyDictionary]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 5:27pm

Whoa okay. No one ever came here to bash OCU. Erin and JG simply stated their opinion that the shilling is going a bit overboard. That's it. Done. Both them have also said that they never went to Stagedoor so I don't see why you are claiming they did. I also don't see anything rude in Soozie's post. I thought she was rather polite. Everyone had been quite tame until Mr. Tuttle unjustly called erin and jg "immature twits" in response to them simply stating how much OCU is advertised on these boards.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 6:35pm

Wow, if you're implying Erinrebecca and I are the same person you're mistaken. Her posts are far better written than mine are.

[Soozie]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 6:42pm

Dear Waiting for Kathy,

I certainly did NOT bash OCU. In fact, I said I had heard from students and parents who have participated in the OCU summer program, that it was very good and they enjoyed it. Since you brought up college counseling, I can also tell you that I have recommended OCU's summer MT program to clients. I have also recommended OCU as a college program as well. I think it is very good. No where did I bash it. In fact, my entire point is that I think someone can think well of a program without having to bash other programs at the same time. The summer programs and colleges my kids attend are not the best and I would NEVER claim they were better than other programs but simply that my kids chose them because these programs and schools fit what they wanted and they have loved them. My kids do not think they are better than other programs. They have no need to put down other programs. They can articulate why they made the choices they made. These programs are all good but just different. Students should pick what appeals to them. They can compare programs. They can discuss why they picked A over B. I do not see those who attended MPulse or SDM bashing OCU. I often see OCU folks bashing other programs and saying theirs is the best. That is a constant trend in posts and it is off putting. That is all I am saying. I was not rude to anyone here. Posts such as those by Mr. Tuttle where other posters are put down, are offensive in nature. This is about an attitude, not which program is best. None are the best. All are worthwhile and each are different.

With regard to Erinrebecca, again, she never has attended ANY pre-college theater program, nor Stagedoor Manor. I was simply agreeing with her point about how one can share about a program they love (or in YOUR case, a program a friend has enjoyed and you haven't even attended), without having to be negative about other programs. I constantly read promotional posts about OCU that tout it as the best and say it is better than X, Y, or Z program that the poster has not attended. I can't imagine my own kids, let alone myself, touting one program as the best or better than another. My kids, nor I, think poorly of programs/colleges they did not choose. They just chose ones that met their personal criteria, as it should be.

You may wish to examine the level of courtesy in your post. I am not a "so called" college counselor. Indeed, I am a trained college counselor who does this for a living. You are a student. I respect you as a student. It would be appropriate for you to post respectfully to me as an adult, parent, or college counselor (I wasn't even posting about college counseling but you brought it up).

You accuse me of bashing anyone with a negative opinion of Stagedoor Manor. Please let me know where I have ever done that. I do not think Stagedoor Manor is for all people and it doesn't bother me one bit if someone has not enjoyed it. I know many who do. I do not think it is the best. I do think it is a wonderful program for those seeking that sort of experience. I do not mind if someone else who has attended doesn't like it. I was saying that those who tout another program, can and should do so, without bashing others in their wake, nor programs they have never personally attended. It says more about the poster than anything else.

You keep saying others claim that some here are attacking "the best camp ever." I didn't see anyone here say that SDM is the best camp ever. I have read many posts here claiming OCU to be the best, however. That's the point. Nobody who attends these other programs are saying they are better than OCU's program. They are only saying they enjoyed it. Speaking for myself, I have shared about SDM but have never said it is the best, nor do I think that. I have no need to say it is the best but to simply share what I know first hand about it. OCU folks should think about doing likewise about that fine program.

Now you are making wild accusations about erin's posts and jg's posts being back to back.....Erin is a BFA college graduate and jg is in high school and they do not know one another, nor have they attended the same summer programs ever. Are you looking for things to criticize?

If you are looking for rudeness, look at some posts on this thread by those attacking SDM and also on other threads. Telling others they have no talent and so forth and so on, is an attack. I don't see others attacking OCU at all. This is very clear to any astute observer.

[jg4892]

Posted: 7/29/07 at 6:47pm

Well said, Soozie. I would just like to know what Tuttle's experience with SDM is, because he has such negative views about it it should be impossible for him not to have experienced it in some way. None of us have shared any negative views about OCU's program. In fact, judging by the rehearsal video on youtube Les Mis looks incredible. But this argument is not about the program itself.

[WSS2]

Posted: 7/30/07 at 12:17am

Just ignore these bad people Kathy. You notice they just keep talking in circles? Any parent can spot a spoiled child. Speaks volumes for their Stagedoor, doesn't it?

Just remember there's no debate here. Just look at the websites. OCU is a serious, educational program where you get solid training. If you wanna go and roast a weenie and do a little skit, then Stagedoor is for you.

Some of us get it. And some of them are paid employees working for Stagedoor. Right jg? Anyone who tracks posts from a while ago is either a sicko stalker or an employee. Caught ya!

Updated On: 7/30/07 at 12:17 AM