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Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

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#5

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

I'm not even from this country and I know aboutt separation of church and state.... I love Jesus but if they put Jesus they would have to put Buddha... Allah.... Indian Gods ....pagans... Moses.... Zeus and even Darth Vader


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Updated On: 2/3/13 at 03:24 PM

#7

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

Originally written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802, the phrase "Separation of church and state" was enshrined into US law during the Supreme Court ruling on Everson v. Board of Education in 1947.

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'" 330 U.S. 1, 15-16.

A similar ruling was made in 1879 in the Supreme Court decision in Reynolds v. United States, where Chief Justice Morrison Waite wrote the unanimous decision of the court. Jefferson's comments in his letter in 1802 "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment."

Both of these rulings dealt with public figures attempting to force religion into the state sphere of the United States. Reynolds was a Mormon polygamist who lost his appeal every step of the way to the Supreme Court arguing that his religious beliefs were above the laws of the country even though the First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The Supreme Court ruled that the intention of the First Amendment did not allow private religious citizens to break the law to practice their beliefs.

Everson v. Board of Education argued that private religious school students should be given taxpayer funds to ride public transportation for free to school. Their argument was "but the public school students get free rides, why not the private religious schools?" The answer was that the public school system is a product of the United States government while the private religious schools were not because of the First Amendment.

There are other decisions that further enshrine the separation of church (meaning religious beliefs and practices) and state (meaning institutions of the government, such as public schools). Hence, when a principal decides he's going to hang a big old portrait of Jesus in a public school and say its his First Amendment right to publically display religious artifacts in a government-funded public school, he is violating the separation of church and state established in the First Amendment, originally defended by Thomas Jefferson and enshrined into law in his exact language in 1947.
Everson v. Board of Education
#8

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

^^THIS^^
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#9

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

dead easy.

when ppl like mikey/abby pick on the fact that the first amendment actually does not say the words, "wall of separation between church and state," they are showing they are not the constitutional scholars they claim to be. here, context is quite important, as those words actually appeared in a letter from thomas jefferson to the baptists of danbury, CT, who were afraid of persecution. and who was discriminating against them? the congregationalists of danbury, CT. they weren't afraid of atheists or secularists. they were afraid of their fellow christian. quick, without googling it, what's the difference between a baptist and a congregationalists? rest assured it's just some **** someone made up. so the first amendment enshrines not just freedom OF religion, but freedom FROM it. thomas jefferson, like many other founding fathers, knew that religion was inherently contentious because its claims can never be verified.

next, abbey/mikey wants some of us to think that this fighting amongst the religious is no longer a problem. as if some of us haven't studied history and noticed the way the evangelicals were very afraid of the catholics coming to the power in the 70s, which was the background for JFK making his own statements about religion. or even a few months ago, when evangelicals were still debating whether or not mormonism is a cult. mikey/abbey wants some of us to not notice that billy graham took mormonism off his list of cults barely even a month before the election for the presidency of the US!!! this was supposed to be THEIR GUY and they were still debating whether his religion was a cult ONE MONTH before the election!!!! this SH*T is going on 200 years after the first amendment was written, and LOTS of us are tired of it.



Updated On: 2/4/13 at 10:20 AM

#10

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

"so the first amendment enshrines not just freedom OF religion, but freedom FROM it."

WHERE exactly do you see freedom FROM religion in the Constitution? Because the first amendment seems to completely contradict you; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF". (Emphasis added) This last portion seems to completely fly in the face of your theory.
#11

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

the constitution is more then 1 amendment. i think the others kinda explained that
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#12

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

I can't believe this is even a serious question.

The government can make no law respecting an establishment of a religion.

A public school is a governmental body.

Therefore, NOTHING religious should be allowed inside the school.

How can you possibly say "That teacher is pushing evolution" and that's BAD, but it's ok to put a picture of Jesus in a school?

You people are such hypocrites it makes me head hurt even trying to understand your asinine rationale for things.
Hi, Shirley Temple Pudding.
#13

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

Awww, JasonF is the first person on this thread to resort to name-calling. Too bad.

"The government can make no law respecting an establishment of a religion."

Actually, the CONSTITUTION says, "The CONGRESS shall make no law". The Constitution is meant to be a limit on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The local school board is NOT the Congress and hanging a picture is not making a law.
#16

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

"the constitution is more then 1 amendment."


OMG!!! YOU WROTE 'THEN' INSTEAD OF 'THAN'! So now, everything sue has been posting is NULL AND VOID.

That's if she plays by her own rules...
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
#17

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

huh? I freely admit english is my second language so your post is null and void. Better luck next time
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#20

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

Hey Jordan why so cranky? Someone put sand in your vasoline?
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#23

Portrait of Jesus in middle school is UNCONSTITUTIONAL? HOW?

"misspellings!!!!!! Live by the sword die by the sword JOE and JORDAN.....that's so embarrassing LMFAO #hypocrisysucks"


LOL
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