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#26

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Turning Goth's comment into an ad absurdum argument suggests that you have no legitimate response.

No. It means we don't take him seriously and we don't care to get into a serious discussion with him about it because it's not worth our time so we choose to ridicule him instead.
#27

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

There is a legitimate topic of debate here--do we believe that the government--blue or red--is capable of effectively providing and maintaining a functional health care delivery system?

Of course not. That's why every single person who goes on Medicare is dead within a year!
#28

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

No bill Saturday.
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#29

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

I have always gotten my mammograms and pap smears from that butchy redhead at the post office. Doesn't everyone?
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#30

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Considering nothing has happened in this country to affect the need for postal service in the last 50 years and the fact that every single government program, including all branches of the military, has failed completely, it makes perfect sense to link Saturday USPS service with healthcare. They are one in the same.
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#31

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Brian, I wasn't even thinking that we would have to pay to rent a PO Box. I don't think they can make us do that. I was thinking that we would just have to go and get our mail instead of them bringing it to us.
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#32

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Here's the thing- The Right wants to get rid of the USPS. They want to privatize package delivery. The USPS serves a vital need- it delivers a letter or a package to ANYWHERE. And it does it for a pittance. And it serves EVERYONE- a farm in Iowa, a plantation in Hawaii, a houseboat in New Orleans. Its "competition" strictly limits service areas, won't pick up your item (except in densely populated urban centers) and charges you a fortune to do it.

The "crisis" the USPS is entirely manufactured. They are being forced to fund 75 years of retirement and healthcare benefits is ten years- obviously causing a financial crisis. And why? Because the Republicans in congress passed a law said they had to. Why would they do that? Go back and read that first sentence.

If Congress would revoke this liability and let the USPS pay out benefits as they are earned, they'd be fine.
#33

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Go ahead, laugh it up. But there's not one government agency that has been able to operate like it should.

Addison D says: "I think that the USPS has done a pretty fantastic job of delivering mail (snow, sleet, etc.) for as long as the task was relevant--and quite a number of years after that. They may not have responded with the agility of a tech startup in Silicon Valley, but the size and scope of the organization precludes that."

Apply what you just said to healthcare. People need cancer treatment but Obamacare hasn't responded with the agility...." People need AIDS vaccination, but Obamacare hasn't responded with the agility....

That's the whole point, government can't do the job. They can't deliver mail, they can't provide for Social Security, they can't pay the military. They just can't!
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#34

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

But...healthcare! Liberals! Assault rifles!
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#36

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Yes--what Joe said.

I don't have the facts regarding Obamacare's "response" to Cancer & AIDS to which you are referring, so I can't comment.

But I DO see that you are creating a false argument by saying that they "can't deliver mail". Of course they can. And--as Joe pointed out--they don't have the luxury of eliminating unprofitable routes or customer groups. If we believe that mail delivery is a vital function to which all of our citizens need access, the government is the ONLY entity capable of providing the service. Private enterprise will cherry-pick the lucrative parts and abandon the rest.

This is the phony argument that people use about public transportation--"They can't even run the system in a financially self-sustaining way." Well--duh. It's not generally feasible. But some enlightened communities believe that there is a larger public good that is served by having effective, reliable public transportation. The fact that it requires PUBLIC support is not de facto proof that it is not being run properly or should be eliminated. It benefits EVERYONE--except the inscreasingly insulated plutocracy who don't want to part with any of their precious money to fund it because no-one THEY know has ever ridden a bus. But they are selfish motherf**kers, and that's another topic for another thread.

And so, Goth--that is exactly why government SHOULD be taking on healthcare. If you leave it strictly to private enterprise, the profitable communities will be served and the rest of the country will be left to die in the streets. And some decent people who manage to find it in their hearts to give a damn about someone other than themselves are willing to see some of their tax dollars go to subsidize such an idea.
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#37

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

So, wait, Goth is complaining that Obamacare doesn't do enough?

Also, do we still have to keep calling it Obaamacare?

Updated On: 2/6/13 at 03:54 PM

#39

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

Good point, Phyl--thanks. I will endeavor not to fall into that trap again.

I think there is a 'Strunk & White'-ish style book for conservatives which dictates that you just toss the phrase 'Obamacare' in as the subject of any sentence critical of any healh-care issue. Too much/not enough/whatever. It's the fault of 'Obamacare'.
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#41

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

This post office decision isn't about politics. They lost money because no one uses the mail service much anymore. Or has this been pointed out already?
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#42

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

The USPS is failing because they didn't keep up with the times. A lot of things we used to have to get physical copies of like bills, we can just look at online and pay that way. The only people I know of who do not use a computer or know how to are my grandparents. Email is free. I think I might mail physical things out maybe 5 times a year, if that.
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#43

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

I've been taking this medication for 18 hours and I STILL feel lousy. It's that Obamacare, dammit.
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#44

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

"Exactly! The day we decided to let the USPS handle our health care waas the day our country turned to crap."


*snort*
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#45

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

E-mail is "free" except for the computer and the monthly charge for an Internet Service Provider.

It is true that many folks can get online at their local library, but not everyone. E-mail pre-supposes levels of income, education, etc. which are a good deal higher than those required to drop a letter in a mailbox.


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Updated On: 2/6/13 at 04:04 PM

#46

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

The amount of money not spent on postage stamps because bills are paid electronically alone caused a big drop of income to the USPS.
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#47

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

It benefits EVERYONE

That's the socialist mentality that terrifies this country.
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#48

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

E mail and e cards killed the post office. You can do a check by fax or over the phone. No Saturday mail means 1 less day to get bills. Social Security no longer mails checks That is a big chunk of lost revenue right there.

The post office will survive with a drastically reduced work force ./
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#49

Post Office to cut Saturday Delivery

I sure hope so, but I think there are many pathological privatizers with their eye on it.
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