Protesting the RNC! — Page 6

It may be a part--but it is a rather important part. It would be nice if the rest of the world could have respect for the President. Nice if Americans could respect the President.

I just find it odd that you have higher expectations of your fellow board members than you do of the President.

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Yes, I do, but I tend to find that if people are bothered by any religion, it's Christianity. Put up the 10 Commandments, and you get total hell, but for other religious symbols- it's not the biggest deal any more.

Your post seems to hint that you do have a problem with Christianity. Ask yourself, would you have a problem if the majority of the population was Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist?

And as we allow people in the government who are atheist or just do not put religion in while making the decisions, do you think that it isn't fair to stop a members from different religious groups from having a position in the government?

Leaving out religion completely can drop a whole different viewpoint from the discussion. Yes, when put in practice in an extreme way, it isn't good, but the other extreme is not the answer either.

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An extremely large number of Americans had no respect for Clinton, jrb, and he's a brilliant scholar. Most people are not going to hold a lot of "respect" for a president for whom they didn't vote. There will always be reasons.

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jrb, trust me.......they would find some way (tradition, etc)

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So wait, I don't think that you're against religion, just against people who are religious.

Eliminating religion would highly benefit your beliefs, and you believe that it is so. Unfortunately, people will oppose your beliefs and have their reasons.

You can't eliminate a whole group from the government. Heck, it's like me saying "Let's just eliminate half of the Democrats because they don't think about upper class Americans, they always say that they're just about the middle class." It's stupid. It won't happen. It's not realistic. You can't eliminate religion completely without wiping out a large portion of America, the government, etc.

Of course it will suit YOU, but how about the people who use religion in their lives? Do they have the chance to vote for who they want to see up there?

I don't know if anyone will understand what I'm trying to say here...I don't know how to word it better.

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My main problem with Christianity is that it is run by the Church, which just happens to have a history of corruption. I am not educated enough to make such statements about other religions, though I do venture to say that there is also a serious problem with Islamic fundamentalists (but we all know that). The fact is that the Church HAS to lie just to keep it's congregation (you can tell I've been reading my copy of "The Da Vinci Code" lately, huh?)) and because of this, it has no place in government. No, not just Christianity, any religion.

"Eliminating religion would highly benefit your beliefs, and you believe that it is so. Unfortunately, people will oppose your beliefs and have their reasons."

Their reason is their own bigotry, supported by the Bible, which is just not a reliable source in ANYTHING, history tells us that.

jrb, for some reason I can't pm you back, so to answer your statement, if people wonder what side I'm on, they have only to look at my earlier post in this thread which stated that I am gay and am voting for Kerry. I don't have to rabidly defend only one position and constantly attack the other side in order to be clear. No "side" should be all or nothing, black or white. We are complex creatures living in a complex world.

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"So, you cant respect me because the leader of my party doesnt agree with me? *I* would treat you with respect...therefore, I should get your respect. You dont have to respect the party I affliate myself with. That is the BIG difference--me & the 1 of 2 parties I align with. "

***Millie, here's exactly why I think you're talking out of your ass. You would respect me at the same time you're going to the polls to support a man who wants to make sure I drink at a different water fountain than your future husband? You can say you disagree with this one issue but that maybe we agree on other things...but I'm not standing here saying I'm going to cast my vote for a man who wants to make sure we all have to live by the moral code dictated by people thousands of years ago in the very part of the world we're fighting now .

"You see, its a mutual thing. I cant respect a party that supports what I believe to be the murder of unborn children... but I can respect you as a human being. Issues dont make a person. They are but small facets on a complex person."

***Yes, this is true...but I could love everything about you but if you started making fun of Asian people or something, I would cut you off right there. My sister-in-law is Asian and it's very fun to hear people spout off pretty hateful stuff when they *assume* you're going to agree with them. So, you could be the nicest person on the planet in every aspect but one and not deserve on iota of kindness or respect from me.

"Isnt it GOOD that there are people in the other party that aren't for things like the amendment? If we work to change from the inside, YOU will benefit. Bet you never thought of it that way before."

***Why, Millie, oh my god! You're right! All of that working to change it from the inside is definitely taking its toll. After all, right-wing ultra-conservatives like Jerry Falwell or the folks at Focus on the Family have in no way grown in power in the Republican party recently and Bush hasn't pandered to his ultra-conservative base at all.
Pardon me while I laugh maniacally.

"Do you know all my political beliefs? Do you know my stance on taxes, jobs, death penalty, defense, education? You would be suprised what we agree on.
What you just said was that you have concluded you cant respect me because I am choosing 1 man out of 2, and its not the one you like."

***It's not even that you're choosing the one I don't like, it's that you're choosing the one who fought to have a lame bill introduced to vote in Congress so that he could shore up his fundamental support by showing fearful "straight" families across the country what evil Democrats voted in favor of allowing gay people equal rights.
I don't play well with scare tactics, Millie, and if there's one thing we've all figured out very quickly, it's that Bush's right hand is VERY good at ensuring that the people never see what his left is doing.

Lady, you see it as an extreme--I see it as the middle ground. You CAN NOT respect all beliefs by referencing the Bible or Torah or whatever.

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But lady, how can Bush back the ban on gay-marriage scientifically? He can't, nor can he find any other reason, except that it is "Sacred", which is bull**** and we all know it. I realize that you support gay marriage, but you have to realize that because Bush can quote from the Bible as his reason for banning civil rights, and get such a thing passed is testiment to the fact that no kind of religion (especially one as corrupt as Christianity) belongs in government.

ok, well I am going to stop posting on this thread before I get shot through the internet or something. lol.

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Hold on, I think there's a big misconception in this thread. There is absolutely no place for religion in government. That's not a partisan issue, it's not any issue. That is our country. That is our foundation. But were not saying there's no place for RELIGIOUS PEOPLE in government. Only that it can't affect our government and politics.