Protesting the RNC!- Page 4

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:23am

It's fine...whatever....but with this one issue about homosexuality, i have to be against it. I want an EQUAL FUTURE. Not a future that isn't equal. I don't care about the other ****. This one issue is the deciding factor for me.

And for other homosexuals....it should be for you too. I can't understand how you would vote for a president that says you aren't as equal as a man that loves a woman or a woman that loves a man. Doesn't make sense to me.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:24am

Millie, when I and my friends are treated with respect and not viewed as weird, abhorrent freaks to be forever marked in the Constitution like the children of Cain by the religious right who runs your political party, you will get my respect.
In the meantime, I certainly don't hate you and wouldn't unless you hated me but respect for your political beliefs runs zero in my heart and brain and will continue to do so.
Open minds, eh? It's easy for the pot to call the kettle black.

By the way, I lived my entire life in a republican enclave, with republican families, and voted against Clinton the first time, even. I think I know very, VERY well the reasons why I am not a Republican and would never go back. In fact, unless I'm making 250 grand a year or more, I don't really see anything in their fiscal policies that will do me any good...and since I know their social platforms won't, it's off to the Democratic Party.

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:24am

First - we didn't go to war because of bad information. The plans on Iraq were made long before any said threat. We went to war in Iraq because they have oil. Amazing how all the contracts went to Halliburton.


Second -the constitution is what seperates church from state. Do you want to get rid of that?

Abortions - do tell what would happen to all the unwanted children? Gays can't adopt - especially in Florida (another state roled by a worthless Bush, Jeb has constantly gone against gay and lesbians having the rights to adopt. Do you agree with that too?)

The economy - Bush has screwed that up too.

It sounds to me like you would never support any democrat. It must be very difficult being in a party that attacks you every chance it can. My sorrow for you is very sincere. To have certain political convictions and to have the Republican party, to whom you share some shared ideals with , spit on you at every chance they have. That is sad.

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:24am

Having tons of young teens going into clinics for abortions doesn't exactly thrill me to no end either. But, quite frankly, it's none of my business. Or anybody's for that matter. What happened to "live and let live" in this country?

[Millie42]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:25am

That makes me happy, Mattio. It truly does.

Over the past several years my opinions have changed in so many ways about so many different things. Not everything is black & white.

Just know that you really CAN change someone's opinion just by being kind or showing respect. You've got to give it to get it! And always remember that there is someone like you on the other side.

[LadyGuenevere]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:25am

Marc, unlike you, I'm not sad for myself- but optimistic for the future. I hope that more and more Republicans will start to change a bit. You can be cynical about it, and feel bad for me, but I want you to know that I'm not killing myself over it.

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:28am

Well, fifteen year olds shouldn't be having sex. Fifteen year olds should be forced to keep the baby so they'll learn a little responsibility. But my mother had an abortion before I was born, and she honestly couldn't take care of the child. She wasn't in high school. She wasn't even in her twenties.

So what I'm saying is...a WOMAN should have the right to an abortion, a fifteen year old, no. Let the damn slut keep the kid. Teach her a lesson.

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:29am

Ok....before I retire to bed let me say this:

Religion in government is not an arguable point. There is to be NO religion in government. It's a done deal. It's the basis of our country and if that ever changes, I'm fleeing this country and never looking back.

[LadyGuenevere]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:29am

Captain_Obvious, I like the last sentence. A bit blunt, but I agree that if she knew what was coming, she should have to take responsibility for her actions.

But didn't the woman also choose to have sex, which she knows has the chance to get her pregnant? In rare cases, such as rape cases and when there are health risks, I believe that it should be implemented. Updated On: 8/29/04 at 01:29 AM

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:30am

"Well, fifteen year olds shouldn't be having sex. Fifteen year olds should be forced to keep the baby so they'll learn a little responsibility. But my mother had an abortion before I was born, and she honestly couldn't take care of the child. She wasn't in high school. She wasn't even in her twenties.

So what I'm saying is...a WOMAN should have the right to an abortion, a fifteen year old, no. Let the damn slut keep the kid. Teach her a lesson."

Are you serious??

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:32am

Very. Most people don't have sex to have kids (i know i don't). My mother didn't. It happens. There are enough children in this world that can't be supported. My mother made sure that her child wasn't one of those children. God bless her.

[LadyGuenevere]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:33am

I think that he's talking about the 15 year old.

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:34am

I feel bad that you belong to a party that does not care about you.

You look at places like Amsterdam - the conservatives are not only supportive of gays but are gay. In our country republican politicians have made us the enemy, like Nazi Germany did to Jews.

I hope in the future that the republican party could deal with real issues and not be the puppets of the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells , but I don't see that happening. The hate that comes from the republican party is so overwhelming, and as a gay man who is the main target, I'm tired of it.

Bush on the other hand is a whole different issue . He is stupid, moralistic wate of space. He has ruined the economy, destroyed our alliances, wants to waste our naturlal resources, a failure in everything he has done i his life. What a pity McCain didn't get the nomination last time. He is someone I could support.

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:35am

Oh, then yeah. I'm serious about that one too.

Do you know how many freshman girls from my old high school got pregnant? That's their own stupidity for trying to be grown up and thinking they're smart. They weren't. As punishment for their actions (consequences), I believe they should keep the kid and they might grow up.

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:36am

"Well, fifteen year olds shouldn't be having sex."

Why not? They should have the right to do what they want. Just because you don't approve of it doesn't mean you can forbid it or create penalties for it. Isn't this the same as the gay marriage issue?

EDIT: Sorry, had to delete the fun part Updated On: 8/29/04 at 01:36 AM

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:36am

Someone better delete this thread before I get too involved....

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:38am

I just don't understand the HUGE difference in tolerance just because one of them doesn't affect you.

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:39am

But a fifteen year old that gets pregnant isn't the same thing as my future. She can still have a desirable future, with the baby or not. She can still get married and have more children, with her loving husband.

If Bush gets voted in, I won't have a desirable future because I won't be happy. And no one desires to be sad.

[Mythus]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:40am

"As punishment for their actions (consequences), I believe they should keep the kid and they might grow up."

While I understand trying to teach the parent a lesson, it's not fair for the child to have to grow up with a teenage mother who probably has little money and no idea how to raise a child.

[LadyGuenevere]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:40am

*marc, the double posts are taking up a bit of space.

And Marc? Feel bad. I can have a grudge or two with the party, but I'm not negative about it. Feel bad for my 'wasted' life and political views.

I feel strongly for the gay issue...but I am just so conservative for many of the other issues. And if the opportunity presented itself, if a very moderate Democrat (or much better, mod. Republican ) was on the ticket, I would consider voting for them. John Kerry is moderate in some things, but very liberal on others. I do not agree with his views.

And apparently he doesn't agree with some of your views on the gay issues either. But I know, you are voting for the 'lesser of the two evils.'

And Bush is my lesser.

And you can think I'm deluded- and I'll admit something. I'm young, I missed this voting by one year, you can be happy about it. But I have adults I know representing my vote at the polls in November.

I'm just 17- I don't know everything, but I don't make hasty decisions. I can't talk like I'm an authority on everything in politics, because I'm not. But I do research, on BOTH sides, and I make my decisions very carefully, and I think that you need to respect that and not to feel sorry for me. I made the decision, I live the life. And I'm a happy Republican. Updated On: 8/29/04 at 01:40 AM

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:40am

"But a fifteen year old that gets pregnant isn't the same thing as my future. She can still have a desirable future, with the baby or not."

But what if she has to spend all of the money that she was going to spend on education and college on taking care of the child and ends up with a dead-end, minimum wage job for the rest of her life?

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:40am

Hence the lesson.

[Millie42]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:41am

" Millie, when I and my friends are treated with respect and not viewed as weird, abhorrent freaks to be forever marked in the Constitution like the children of Cain by the religious right who runs your political party, you will get my respect."

So, you cant respect me because the leader of my party doesnt agree with me? *I* would treat you with respect...therefore, I should get your respect. You dont have to respect the party I affliate myself with. That is the BIG difference--me & the 1 of 2 parties I align with.
You see, its a mutual thing. I cant respect a party that supports what I believe to be the murder of unborn children... but I can respect you as a human being. Issues dont make a person. They are but small facets on a complex person.
Isnt it GOOD that there are people in the other party that aren't for things like the amendment? If we work to change from the inside, YOU will benefit. Bet you never thought of it that way before.

"In the meantime, I certainly don't hate you and wouldn't unless you hated me but respect for your political beliefs runs zero in my heart and brain and will continue to do so."

Do you know all my political beliefs? Do you know my stance on taxes, jobs, death penalty, defense, education? You would be suprised what we agree on.
What you just said was that you have concluded you cant respect me because I am choosing 1 man out of 2, and its not the one you like.

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:44am

Well, then that's a consequence she has to live with.

I can hear it now. "Because I got knocked up freshman year, I work at a gas-station and I'm fifty-five."

But again, abortions and my future are not the same thing. She chose to have sex, with the amendment, i can only choose to live with Mr Right. That's the only option. I want more than one option. I'm greedy. Get over it.

[Mattio98]

Posted: 8/29/04 at 1:44am

"I'm just 17- I don't know everything, but I don't make hasty decisions. I can't talk like I'm an authority on everything in politics, because I'm not. But I do research, on BOTH sides, and I make my decisions very carefully, and I think that you need to respect that and not to feel sorry for me. I made the decision, I live the life. And I'm a happy Republican"

Bravo on that, LG. If you substituted "Democrat" for "Republican" I could say the same of myself.