Teen Commits Suicide due to Gay Bullying- Page 4

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 11:15am

It seems very clear to me that Ravi was ridiculing the fact that his roommate was having gay sex. Those kinds of attempts to humiliate someone's perceived lack of "masculinity" are common: bullying someone as a "fag" or a "faggot" even when the homosexuality is wrongly assumed.

A tide has now turned, and that kind of bullying will from now on be exposed as such, and the perpetrators will be charged, prosecuted, convicted and punished to the full extent of the law, until every high-school-age male learns that demeaning someone's masculinity with verbal and physical taunts is not just boys-being-boys, it is NOT cool, and it is a crime with major consequences, as bad or worse for the bully as it was for the bullied.

That said, as a longtime defender of hate-crimes statutes I have to say that a hate-crime is a distinction of motive and must always be defined as a crime against someone committed simply because that person is a member of a group against which the perpetrator has an expressed animus.

Thus, it would be a hate crime if I were murdered by a BWW board member who says "I hate Gay Jewish Liberals" and who goes out looking for Gay Jewish Liberals and runs into me and kills me while saying, "Take that, you Gay Jewish Liberal! I hope all you Gay Jewish Liberals die!" That would be a hate crime. It could have been any Gay Jewish Liberal--I just happened to be the Gay Jewish Liberal he ran into.

But if Reginald Tresilian finally gets so annoyed at me that he shoots me, point blank, six times, until the gun is empty, crying, "Take that, you silly, silly queen! I hate you. Oh, GOD, how I hate you! I have hated you for yeaaaaaaaars!"

No, no matter how many times he said he hated me, that would NOT a hate crime.

[romantico]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 11:16am

The waiting is over. Dr.Phil has chimed in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgxNItGmiC4&feature=

Updated On: 10/1/10 at 11:16 AM

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 11:19am

"anger toward the people responsible is great, but only education and understanding can ever surmount the kind of ignorance that feeds this."

When there are many, many groups out there stonewalling anti-bullying initiatives in schools (because it supports gay and lesbian kids and would somehow curttails Christian
kids' rights to free speech), this is easier said than done. Much easier said than done.

And I love the idea of moving towards that, but there are now 6 (SIX) dead young people who saw no way out other than suicide. This is, as Ellen said, a crisis. Strong support from POTUS would be awesome. But lets not hold our collective breath.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 12:07pm

Just caught up with this thread and that incredible tweet from 50 Cent. Nice grammar, a**hole. Columbia needs to take their degree back.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 12:22pm

A little good news, for a change, from Newsweek:

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When the researchers reviewed the first round of survey results in 2003, they found that about 41 percent of the respondents supported gay marriage, yet 53.6 percent agreed that two men living with a child constituted a "family," and 55 percent said the same thing about two women living with a child. By 2010, not only did a majority (52 percent) say they were in favor of gay marriage, but the proportion who believed that gays living with kids are families had grown to 68 percent.
What Makes a Family? To more Americans, gays with kids count.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 12:42pm

I've seen no pics or clips of him or anything, but I bet Ravi's gay. Because when you're a closeted freshman, maybe not even out to yourself yet, you do ANYTHING to distance yourself from being associatated with somebody who will shine a light on your truth.

Why do we think he hid cameras all over the room? What did he think he was going to ever see in there besides his roommate alone? And who did he run to to share his prank? Not a big tough straight guy, a WOMAN. Actual homophobes think they don't want to see two guys kissing or getting it on. Self-loathing closet cases do though. It would be way too threatening for Ravi to watch two guys having sex with actual straight guys, though.

Just my 3 cents.

[uncageg]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 1:27pm

Here he is Namo. And that's the girl who's room he went to.

Updated On: 10/1/10 at 01:27 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 1:56pm

I think people like siny seem to think if you acknowledge the role that homosexuality played in this, then you immediately are classifying it a hate crime, even though pretty much everyone who has posted on this thread has stated how they are NOT one and the same. That's the best guess I can give.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 1:56pm

50 Cent claims his tweet was not about gays, for what it's worth.
I have nothing against people who choose and alternate lifestyle

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 2:00pm

He's the celebrity I'm 100% certain writes his own tweets. Him and Betty Buckley.

[romantico]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 2:50pm

Ravi and Wei need to be reminded of what they did every day for the rest of their lives. This MUST follow them around no matter what.Their faces need to be plastered all over the internet. People need to write about the kind of scum they are so their friends and family can be reminded 24/7.I hope they are judged by their actions and pay a heavy consequence for what they did.We need to make their life a living hell!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 4:01pm

We need to make their life a living hell!

That statement kind of troubles me. I understand where you're coming from, but I guess I feel like as long as they are convicted of the violation of privacy charge, justice will have been served. Of course there's a party of me that's thirsting for blood, but I just don't see the good in it, and I DON'T think that we can charge people for murder when someone commits suicide.


Rutgers suicide a hate crime? I dunno.

[romantico]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 4:29pm

Your right Phyllis. I am very upset,passionate, and frustrated by these jerks. My point is, they apparently made his life such a living hell he wanted to end it. I fear they will get a smack on the wrist and by the end of the school years their classmates will forget what these two even did.Not sure if they feel remorse or guilt for what they did but I would like to see their names run through the mud for their cruel actions.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 5:02pm

Novelist Anne Rice just posted the Ellen DeGeneres video on her Facebook page with this little note, which I find extraordinarily moving:

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Anne Rice

Here is Ellen's important Youtube video about the suicides of gay teens. Hats off to Ellen for this hard hitting message. And hats off to all who stand up to the persecutors of gays in our society; and all who deplore bullying in our schools.

[bethnor]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 5:06pm

if either of those kids have a shred of humanity (which i suspect they do, actually), what they have done will haunt their memories all their days.

[Anakela]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 5:16pm

I know it's still being decided if Ravi and Wei will be charged with a hate crime. Separate from that, have any news stories touched on if Ravi and Wei could/will be charged with a sex crime? Or is the "invasion of privacy" all that NJ law allows?

[siny]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 5:25pm

"I fear they will get a smack on the wrist and by the end of the school years their classmates will forget what these two even did."

I would be shocked if they are not kicked out of Rutgers.

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 5:32pm

Let's also not forget that there was another (or two other) victims in this crime -- the other person/persons in the video. Someone else's life has been turned upside down by being placed in the middle of a police/FBI investigation. I wonder if that person or persons could also press charges?

I feel so badly for all of the people affected by this tragedy.

[Q]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 7:56pm

The Secretary of Education has released a statement - and I'm glad he broadened it to include all 'bullying':

"This week, we sadly lost [four] young men who took their own lives for one unacceptable reason: they were being bullied and harassed because they were openly gay or believed to be gay. These unnecessary tragedies come on the heels of at least three other young people taking their own lives because the trauma of being bullied and harassed for their actual or perceived sexual orientation was too much to bear.

This is a moment where every one of us - parents, teachers, students, elected officials, and all people of conscience - needs to stand up and speak out against intolerance in all its forms. Whether it's students harassing other students because of ethnicity, disability or religion; or an adult, public official harassing the President of the University of Michigan student body because he is gay, it is time we as a country said enough. No more. This must stop."

[beautywickedlover]

Posted: 10/1/10 at 11:23pm

I saw this on ABC World News. What happened to that teen is terrible.

[bethnor]

Posted: 10/2/10 at 12:23am

i know that both of these kids are being advised by their lawyers to not speak, but it would be nice to hear some kind of remorse from them. honestly, the longer people hear nothing, the worse off it will be for them.

[danmag]

Posted: 10/2/10 at 9:33am

These stories just rip my heart out...I don't even know what to say or do, but if I were the mother of that poor boy from Rutgers you would just have to hold me back from killing those ignorant little f*cks that did that.

Every time I see a clip of that boy I want to cry.

[romantico]

Posted: 10/2/10 at 1:08pm

Focus On The Family: Homosexuals Are The Real Bullies In The Schools

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-7f7iK-lY&feature=


I wish we would hear more about the guilty person(s) involved. Even if their lawyers were to make a statement on their behalf.

Updated On: 10/3/10 at 01:08 PM

[romantico]

Posted: 10/7/10 at 11:02am

Bullying Prevention = Gay Promotion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiUJS2MEUD8

[Q]

Posted: 10/7/10 at 11:14am

At this point, I don't expect anything akin to rational thought from certain people. They're going to pound away with their perpective, regardless of the circumstances or situation.