Posted: 11/13/15 at 10:44pm
ABC's 20/20 is saying the 150+ number.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 10:50pm
MSNBC is discussing how professionally and elaborately the attacks were carried out.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 10:53pm
So upsetting, I can't stop watching, my heart is breaking for all involved.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:01pm
Can we shut up with the beating on Roxy crap? I think other things are a little more important.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:01pm
re the topic of terrorists as cowards. I don't agree. I think they are just the opposite. They are willing to die for their cause. I wish they were cowards but they're driven and nothing else matters.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:06pm
Careful Jane, that's exactly what got Bill Maher fired from ABC, that exact idea.
People who "don't want to be political" are of course setting the terms of discussion. Do this, don't do that, pray for this, fret about that. Do we all remember just a few years ago these same people were pouring their French wine down the sewer and the American Congress had its cafeteria change the name to Freedom Fries? This country is absolutely ridiculous sometimes.
Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:14pm
Maybe the loss of human life by extremists transcends the country they are from. Many hated America before 9/11 but stood next to the US because it was an awful atrocity that took innocent lives of people just going about their day. The action in the name of religion is horrid, no matter where they are from. It's putting human emotion before politics and who fell out with who.
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Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:19pm
But then people didn't expect the US President to attack a country that had nothing to do with it and to challenge the terrorists to "Bring it on!". Of course, we aren't allowed to mention THAT because THAT'S political. Because we just don't know WHY people would hate us.
Yes, anybody who kills in the name of religion has been brainwashed and is insane. THREE of the Republican presidential candidates appeared at a conference at which the American "Kill the gays" pastor spoke this month. I don't hear ANY of the "don't make this political" people asking Americans to denounce their home grown religious extremists. We just have to sit in silence and "agree to disagree." Fanatics are fanatics are fanatics and if you think they all wear robes and scarves, as the completely apolitical Mr Roxy puts it, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would be happy to sell to you.
Updated On: 11/13/15 at 11:19 PM
Posted: 11/13/15 at 11:52pm
Words by Oscar Hammerstein, music by Jerome Kern. A 1940 message to the Nazis who had overrun Paris that they could not ever destroy Paris, because Paris is more beautiful than their hatred.
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A lady known as Paris, romantic and charming
Has left her old companions and faded from view.
Lonely men with lonely eyes are seeking her in vain.
Her streets are where they were, but there's no sign of her.
She has left the Seine.
The last time I saw Paris, her heart was warm and gay.
I heard the laughter of her heart in every street cafe.
The last time I saw Paris, her trees were dressed for spring.
And lovers walked beneath those trees and birds found songs to sing.
I dodged the same old taxicabs that I had dodged for years.
The chorus of their squeaky horns was music to my ears.
The last time I saw Paris, her heart was warm and gay
No matter how they change her, I'll remember her that way.
I'll think of happy hours, and people who shared them:
Old women, selling flowers, in markets at dawn,
Children who applauded Punch and Judy in the park,
And those who danced at night and kept our Paris bright
Till the town went dark.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:00am
"I think the arguments we're having are related to what happened in Paris and to terrorism in general."
All due respect, Jane, no, they really aren't. It's the same few posters having their usual same petty bickering, full of personal attacks and has very little to do with the actual situation. Quite frankly, it's horribly disrespectful to those who are truly suffering - which is why I think it's absurd that anyone should get their world news from here.
As you say, it is the off topic board and of course anyone can discuss whatever they want, but reread this thread again. Is it about this tragedy, or about the same old BS being rehashed between the same old posters?
Updated On: 11/14/15 at 12:00 AM
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:08am
"Is it about this tragedy, or about the same old BS being rehatched between the same old posters?"
Both.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:13am
Fair enough. I hope we can agree that the petty bickering serves no good purpose and that it has no place here.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:17am
Oh yeah I do agree. However, not much of anything serves any real purpose here.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:19am
"It's the same few posters having their usual same petty bickering, full of personal attacks and has very little to do with the actual situation. Quite frankly, it's horribly disrespectful to those who are truly suffering"
Exactly, they are the ass holes of the night. There are more important things to focus on, and this thread shouldn't be filled with bickering that DOESNT MATTER and full of discussion about the attacks. STFU or don't post in this thread. Merci!
Posted: 11/14/15 at 12:44am
PalJoey said: "
Paris tonight, after the attacks."
Untrue, this picture was taken after the attacks at the Charlie Hebdo offices, which were horrible as well. What a terrible and upsetting tragedy. Sending prayers to all those innocent victims and their families.
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I was at the taping of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert tonight. The audience and Stephen didn't know anything about the attacks until the show ended. It suddenly all came out. The ending of the show had been quite bizarre anyway: Stephen just walked away and left the audience after the closing performance by Lord of the Dance. When he came back upstage he announced that those horrible attacks had happened and they decided to redo the beginning of the show without the jokes that originally had been in it. They also recorded an alternative ending. They were very professional but it was so extremely weird to see the entire joy of the show been turned around in just a few seconds. It's just so horrible to only think of all those families who have lost someone in those attacks or who survived it. Imagine yourself having to start your life up again after surviving an attack by terrorists. What a horror.
Updated On: 11/14/15 at 12:44 AM
Posted: 11/14/15 at 1:39am
It is not just the French. This week the Russians and the Palestinians have also been slaughtered. I don't feel that we are dealing with cowards. We may look at their actions as insane but I just see people at war with anyone who believes differently than them. This is a continuing tragedy for the entire world- a tragedy which I am afraid will be played over and over again.
There will never be negotiations or diplomacy with these people.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 3:24am
Heartfelt thanks to Sam2 for sharing his personal experience. I am far more interested in Colbert's thoughts than any of the repetitive talking head speculation. When tragedies like this happen, I mostly turn off media until the smoke clears. It's terrorist porn, and all it does is whip up fear and hostility.
Thanks, too, to Pal Joey for his link. I needed that.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 4:33am
Sorry to double post. Stephen Colbert's 45 second clip in the minutes after he learned of the attack, was indeed, far more important to me than all the babble going on elsewhere.
Let the dust settle, let's get some facts, and let's help those who need our help.
And can we please - please - stop bickering in this thread? Can we declare this ONE thread as a common ground?
Posted: 11/14/15 at 6:54am
ghostlight2 said: "And can we please - please - stop bickering in this thread? Can we declare this ONE thread as a common ground?"
Probably not. I mean, it's not like people are trying to gather facts here and just send their vague "thoughts and prayers," so once you go deeper than that, people will share their thoughts on the matter, and others will disagree. When I saw this thread, my first thought was to skip it... but it is pretty much exactly what I expected it would be.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 10:13am
How long before the GOP candidates start up the fear machine and claim that this could happen again in America if a Democrat is elected?
Posted: 11/14/15 at 10:42am
This could happen again in the US no matter who is elected, because Isis is gathering strength, and not receding, as Obama has claimed.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 11:22am
One thing I hope (though probably futile) is that neither French official nor the media release the identities of the assailants, in the same way we recently saw with the Oregon shooter last month. IS thrives on playing off of the martyr fantasies of disenchanted young men. Cutting off at least that channel for the possibility of notoriety may throw a slightly wet blanket on their zeal.
Posted: 11/14/15 at 11:40am
I agree with Jane. Any President will need to face this crisis. Yesterday on Good Morning America, just a few hours before the Paris attack, Obama said this. " I don't think they're gaining strength. What is true, from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq and in Syria. They'll come in, they'll leave. But you don't see this systemic march by ISIL across the terrain."
Is that what it seems like to you?
Posted: 11/14/15 at 11:52am
Barack Obama is a FOOL if he thinks ISIS isn't gaining strength.
None the less, stay strong Paris.
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