The George Zimmerman Trial — Page 9

jv, I actually find it more offensive when people try to derail or sabotage a meaningful discussion by completely talking out of their ass. Who are they fooling?

"Trayvon may have intitially said something to Zimmerman, but Zimmerman was the one following him in the first place. That's why he was the agressor-"

Following someone is not an act of aggression.

"And Zimmerman was intitally let to walk free the night of the murder and it took several months and a great deal of public outrage for Zimmerman, a man who admitted to killing another unarmed human being, to be charged with anything at all. That's the racist decision not to pursue the case in the first place."

That is because, the investigators concluded that Zimmerman acted in self-defense (and it appears that the jury agreed with them). It was only after the media ran with the racial aspect of the case, including NBC editing the 911 tape to make Zimmerman sound racist, and the chief of police being fired and a new prosecutor being brought in, that Zimmerman was prosecuted. Also, the evidence was initially brought to a Grand Jury, but then the new prosecutor quickly side-stepped the Grand Jury process to prosecute. Was this because the prosecutor knew that the Grand Jury might not find enough evidence to prosecute Zimmerman? Why did they decide to avoid a Grand Jury ?

"That's the racist decision not to pursue the case in the first place."

Please provide evidence that the decision was "racist".

"Zimmerman's testimony was that Martin punched him in the face, breaking his nose."

Mikey, a point of order. Zimmerman, as was his right, did not testify. There is no such thing as "Zimmerman's testimony".

"Also, the fact that Martin was much bigger than Zimmerman and was more physically fit, would indicate that Zimmerman would have been stupid to start a physical altercation with him."

Zimmerman had a gun. Someone can easily be an initial aggressor toward someone bigger than he is when he has a gun. Not to mention that people do pick fights with people who can kick their ass; it happens.

Finally, people get arrested and charged every day for assaults and homicides where they claim self defense. Especially people who shoot unarmed people. These include people who are in fact innocent and people who are in fact guilty; these include police officers and civilians, people who kill strangers and people who kill people they know. It should be up to the jury to decide the person's guilt. Not the police. It was a travesty for the police not to have arrested George Zimmerman and to rather simply take his word as to what happened.

If the right thing would be to simply take the word of the alive person with a gun as to why he or she was justified in killing someone, then just about everyone who explained why they killed the person they killed, the person who can not rebut that explanation, would be let go. it doesn't work that way.

In any event, you and I were not on the jury. The jury has spoken. You see the facts your way. I see them mine. Let's agree to disagree.

Liza's, I got your back.

Updated On: 7/14/13 at 11:12 PM

"So if you believe Rachel Jeantelle's testimony, that also means Zimmerman was in fact "stalking" him and spoke the first words."

No one is disputing the fact that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, so I am not sure what your point is. And, no, she testified that she heard Martin speak to Zimmerman first. "Why are you following me?" was what she testified Martin said to Zimmerman.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1306/27/cnr.01.html

"Aren't they speculating that because Zimmerman was on the bottom, he was also the one yelling for "help?""

They could come to that conclusion based on the evidence that I posted that backs up their conclusion that Zimmerman was the one yelling for help. Zimmerman being on the bottom was not the ONLY evidence presented that he was the one yelling for help. Why are you selecting certain things I said and ignoring others? There was a LOT more evidence (including an eyewitness) that it was Zimmerman yelling for help.

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I wrote : "I don't recall this. Perhaps you could fill me in on this?"

Liza's Headband responded: "And this is a perfect example of why you shouldn't be arguing for a verdict if you haven't actually followed the trial. Had you followed it, you would know that Zimmerman first told detectives it was not him yelling upon initial review of the phone call recording."

That is absolutely NOT TRUE!! Why do you come onto this board, tell me to stop "talking out of my ass about things I don't know", and yet you are posting BLATANT FALSEHOODS in your lame attempts to contradict me. Zimmerman ALWAYS said that he was yelling for help. He said it moments after the shooting to the neighbors when they came out. "I was yelling for help and no one would help me."
Here is the tape recorded testimony of Zimmerman:
"He was whaling on my head and I was yelling for help," Zimmerman can be heard saying to Det. Doris Singleton on the tape. "He put his hands on my nose and said, 'You're going to die tonight.'"

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zimmerman-recalled-trayvon-martin-gosh/story?id=19543886&page=2#.UeNnB45WLao

It was Trayvon Martin's father and brother who initially said they were not sure it was Trayvon and then later changed their story. So it is not ME who is speaking out of my ass about things I don't know about!!

"The scenario being that George Zimmerman should act in no greater capacity than the "eyes and ears" of the local police as Neighborhood Watchman. Once he called 911 and reported the 'suspicious' activity, his job was done. "

That may be true, but according to the scenario, Zimmerman broke no laws that night. He may have done things wrong or done things that were stupid, but these were not illegal acts --nor would they have been illegal acts in any state that I know of. It is not illegal to keep your eye on someone in your neighborhood who you believe is suspicious. It is not illegal to get out of your car and try to follow that person. It IS illegal to assault a person --and the evidence indicates that that is what Trayvon Martin did.

"Out of respect for those on this thread and the family of Trayvon Martin, I ask that you please stop talking out of your ass and only discuss what you actually know. This conversation reveals how little you know about the case."

Really?? I think this conversation shows how little YOU know about the case. ANd I think I was able to prove who is REALLY " talking out of their ass".

Simply not true, Mikey.

In their closing, the prosecution brought up a transcript of an interview between investigators and Zimmerman where he claimed he didn't recognize the voice on the phone call. It was on the list of many lies and contradictions simply reiterated by the State.

You were clearly not watching the trial. Thank God I know what I saw and heard.

"He may not have testified at the trial, but his initial taped interview with the detectives and the interview he did with Sean Hannity was submitted as evidence."

That is NOT sworn testimony, as it was not subject to cross-examination. So let's get that straight.

"Yes, however Zimmerman's physical injuries were quite visible right after the shooting. They included multiple lacerations and swelling to the head and a broken nose."

Injuries considered insignificant by the medics who cared for him that evening and the PA who saw him the next morning. He came in asking for a note for work! Nothing else! Please do not exaggerate the injuries.

Updated On: 7/14/13 at 11:44 PM

First of all, I am not a "liberal." I have stated what I am on here more than once. Nor do I even see this as a political issue, so you're an imbecile for bringing that into this.

Secondly, I do have proof. The closing argument of the prosecution. What more do you need? Are you implying that the state lied in their closing? All you need to do is Google for a video recording of the closing arguments. I was sitting there, watching it on the television, and yes... I HEARD IT WITH MY OWN TWO (NON-LIBERAL) EARS.

You really are insufferable. I'm done. TheatreDiva was right... A brick wall, indeed.

"Secondly, I do have proof."

Great!! Can I see it?

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Updated On: 7/15/13 at 12:29 AM

There isn't "the other side" to feeling outrage. Equal time does NOT need to be paid.

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Updated On: 7/15/13 at 01:08 AM

Will be?