The SPIDER-MAN 3 Movie Thread (Possible Spoilers Within)- Page 2

[Guido Contini]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 10:31am

Venom was a bad ass originally, plain and simple. What I really hoped for in the 3rd movie was an appearance by Doppleganger and Carnage, just to add insult to injury.

I'm calling it now...SM4 = Carnage vs. Venom vs. Spidey. or Jake vs. Topher vs. Tobey. Mark my words.

[Cruel_Sandwich]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 10:55am

bergman is still alive

[harris007]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:21am

"I kind of wished Ingmar Bergman had directed this"





cruel put down the crack pipe

[RobbO]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:28am

alive? then's whos funeral did i attend? odd.

and, spider, you made my point for me. tobey is a fine as peter parker but an awful spiderman. that was my whole point.

[worrell4077]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 1:20pm

"I'm calling it now...SM4 = Carnage vs. Venom vs. Spidey. or Jake vs. Topher vs. Tobey. Mark my words."

Actually there is a rumor about The Lizard being a villian in SM4. Carnage could work really well, but I'm more for seeing The Lizard, give Dr. Connors more to do in the films besides teach and mentor Peter.

I'm seeing it either today or tomorrow and I'm really excited for it basically because of Venom that's it. I don't care how much screen time he gets, I'm just happy he's in the movie.

[Guido Contini]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 1:22pm

The Lizard would be cool. I never really read the spidey comics, so my knowledge of his villians doesnt' go too far. Now, if they decide to make an X-4...they should consult me on choices of badguys.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 2:53pm

Just got back from seeing it.

First, off this is going to be a love it/hate it movie for different people. I highly doubt there is going to be middle ground. When I left the theater, there were a few guys going "SH*T, that really bad" and then others were saying, "Wow, that was really good." What did I think? My opinion is the latter of the two. In my opinion, it is not the best of the trilogy (that award still remains with the first one) but I think it was a solid Spider-Man movie with the best acting out of all three and, in my opinion, the closest the movies will ever get to the actual thrill of the comic book.


**A FEW SPOILERS PAST THIS POINT**

While reading a lot of the critics reviews that thought it was bad . . . they mainly bashed it for not being like the first two and Roeper even said something like, "Raimi lost focus on what made the first two fun." Well, this movie was not meant to be bright and sunny like the first two. This one is a lot darker and once Peter puts on the black costume, he is no longer the quite, emotional nerd that he was in the first two and moments in the third, but he is a real asshole. And a lot of people hated the dance that Peter did in the jazz club. I, on the other hand, LOVED it. You can tell it was a tip of the hat to the original Nutty Professor with Jerry Lewis, when he first became his suave, arrogant other self. And I thought it was done really well.

Tobey is, and will always be, the best choice for Peter and Spider-Man and will forever stick by that. With this movie, he had a lot of fun with the darker side of the character, and you can tell. Also, Tobey has never played a bitchy character, so it was great to see that side of his acting talent. If he decides not to come back for another movie, the films are not going to be as good. He is the heart and soul of the films.


Kirsten actually made me proud with this one. I am still not convinced that she was the best choice for M.J., but with this installment, she actually showed some spunk and actual acting ability that she did not show in the previous two.

James Franco was BRILLIANT in his portrayal of Harry. Like Kirsten, I was never convinced that he did the part the justice it deserved, but I was SO happy with what he did with the character in this movie.

Topher . . . well . . . I would have chosen another person to play Eddie Brock. You never really sense the agony and heartbreak he felt for losing everything by Peter's hand and the anger and hatred he felt for Peter. To me, he was just portraying a cooler version of his THAT 70'S SHOW character.


Now with the villans . . . SANDMAN should have never been involved with this one. Or at least he should have had a better part to play. It just seemed like he was filler material until Brock turned to Venom and used just as a reason for Peter to turn all bad ass. Every time he was on screen, I wasn't too excited about it.

Now, I loved the new GREEN GOBLIN suit and glider and everything about that part. And at the end where he redeemed himself . . . I had some tears. His part was handled with such perfection and a great ending to a character that grew so much within the three movies. Again, I give a huge applause to James Franco for doing justice to the character.

And for the one that many Spider-Man fans (myself included) have been waiting for . . . VENOM. Let me just say two words to tie up exactly how I feel about this character: KICK ASS!!! While not done exactly how he portrayed in the comics, he just rocked and I am so glad that they included him in the movie. I think it gave it exactly the type of one, two punch that was needed. While the green goblin (original) and Doc Ock were bad . . . they still had some good in them. But, Venom was just pure evil. And the way the creative team did him up was great, too. God, I love that character. **SPOILER IF YOU ARE STILL READING EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE** I really wish he didn't die though. I don't understand why in comic book movies, the bad guy always has to die. I would much rather SANDMAN die and Venom get away to do battle another day. Oh well! And when Harry died . . . I had tears. Again, while I was sad, I think it was meant to end this way with Harry redeeming himself.


There were a few things that I wish was cut out or at least done better. For some reason, will all of the movies, whenever Peter talks to his Aunt May, the film just stops cold. I wish it wasn't so drab. Also, Gwen Stacey should have never been involved with this movie. The Mary Jane of the films are a combination of M.J. and Gwen from the comics, so when you actually add a Gwen character to the mix, it just doesn't work. I was actually hoping that she was die like she did in the comics.

The thing that I loved above all else, was the ending. FINALLY a great battle that does the comic justice. I loved every second of it and was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Wow, this got a lot longer than I intended it to be, but overall I loved it and while technically not the best of the trilogy, I think it is the one that I will watch more often whenever I get in the Spider-Man mood. I honestly think they should stop here with the films (even though it has been confirmed they are doing three more). To me, it was the perfect ending for a great trilogy. Yes, they didn't get engaged but you know that everything is going to be okay for them. And more than likely Tobey and Sam Raimi are not coming back, so it is going to get lame unless some great, great, great people come on board and take it in a different direction. This is THE BEST comic book series and it should go out on top.

*** out of ****

[Roninjoey]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 2:54pm

Ugh, I hope they don't make another one, unless they replace Kirsten Dunst.

Is it wrong that the whole movie I was hoping for someone to pull a Gwen Stacy on Mary Jane? Yes, that is wrong.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 3:44pm

Spider, I've been waiting to hear your review and I am glad you didn't fall into some cynical "this was pure crap" mood that some people left in. I agree with you on every point except Grace. He was such a splendid villian and it was fitting that they didn't turn Eddie into the competitive jock, but rather get bullied by Peter and turn to complete hatred. His moment in the church was great and he embodied the lack of compassion that Venom is.

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 4:03pm

i thought that Topher Grace was the only good part of the movie...

[Dolly_Levi]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 4:50pm

I think that this film def. had more comedy and camp moments. I think the laughter, which filled the theater I attended last night at 12:05, was def. intended and helped to add levity to the often darker tone of this film.

I loved it.

[jenna2]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 5:41pm

harris - I had to go because I work for the radio station that sponsored the screening in my market.


And because I wanted to see James Franco in his underpants...

[worrell4077]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 6:31pm

I just got back from seeing it and I have to say that I didn't love it, I liked it. The action sequences and the effects on Sandman and Venom were awesome, I especially loved Venom, but overall it didn't seem like it lived up to it's hype. It was enjoyable and I'll surely buy it on dvd and watch it again and again, but it wasn't my favorite in the series.

Now that SM3 is out of the way I can focus on the next real good comic book movie coming out...The Dark Knight cause Fantastic Four 2 isn't something I'm seeing since I hated the first movie.

[gypsiedtokill]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 7:15pm

Best part of the movie: James Franco's man panties. Totally made the $8 worth it.
The rest of it was unmitigated crap. Kirsten Dunst should never sing and when did Spiderman join an emo band?
Man panties = good.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 7:32pm

I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that Peter turned emo! Just because he pulled his bangs down? Come on. What was he supposed to do . . . get tattoos and get all ghetto? I think it was a perfect representation of the Peter Parker turned by greed and anger.


Company--I am glad that Eddie wasn't a jock, because in the movie he represents what Peter could have turned out to be if he would have taken a different path with his powers. But, Topher, to me, just didn't portray the complete HATRED he had for Peter. The church scene was great, but that was the extent of it. Even when he sees Peter with Gwen, he just stares in disbelief instead of unadulterated hatred.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 7:38pm

Company--I also don't understand the whole "this movie was crap" thing. If you are a fan of either of the first two movies, there HAS to be somethings that you liked. Now, if you didn't like the first two, then you more than likely thought it was crap, but my question is . . . if you didn't like the first two movies, why go see this one?

and Levi, I completely agree that the laughs that came were completely intentional. If it didn't have those campy, funny moments, it would have been too dark and people would have gotten tired of it very quickly.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 8:15pm

I loved the blend of comedic moments mixed with all the action sequences. Some of the other superhero films feel stuffy and just suck when enough action isn't even there to support the dull proceedings (Superman Returns).

I talked to some people in my classes today that I saw there last night and my face was so lit up talking about it, where most other people kinda gave that "weeeeell...." look and had a handful of complaints. I'll admit I seem to be one of the most impressed out of people discussing around here and in my group of acquaintances, but I just truly got something out of this more than I had in the other two.

The first was a close second to this for me and I just did not like the 2nd. To me, the romance being so prevalent without much of the excitement S3 had, the second film was a let down. On the other hand, the third was just a perfect balance of romantic excitement, action, great story, superb villians, amazing acting, and fantastic CGI. I'm still trying to figure out why I liked it so more or why so many others liked it so much less AND why some seemingly hardcore fans were so put off by it.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 8:21pm

I LOVED the first one. I think it is the best of the "birth of a superhero" films. The second one was really good, but it became too much of a soap opera. This movie was a close second to me.

And I just read through other comic book movie reviews and Roeper gave X-MEN: THE LAST STAND a thumbs up but this movie a thumbs down. I have lost all respect for this man (I really didn't have any to begin with).

Company--I don't get it either. I think it was the perfect continuation of the story and the only place it could have gone in my opinion. If it was just a repeat of the first two, people would have been complaining about that. You just can't please people. The fans of the original comics HATED that Venom was in this . . . and a lot of the new fans HATED that Sandman was in it. I wasn't upset Sandman was in it, but his character was so bland and really had no purpose.

Yes, it might not have been the best Spider-Man movie, but out of the many comic book movies that have come out in the past decade or so, it ranks high up there.

[cudramacat]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 8:24pm

I actually really liked this movie a lot. I know it was cheesy and by no means perfect but it was definitely enjoyable. However, I have never read the comic books so I don't really have anything to compare it to and I know some people who were hardcore comic book followers in their younger days and were dissappointed in the venim plot line.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 8:40pm

All of the Spidey movies have a camp factor to it. I mean, the "rain drops" music montage and the elevator scene in the second movie was pure camp, and the critics loved it. So, why complain that there are camp elements in this movie? I just don't get it.

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 10:59pm

the reason why he looks so emo is because of the hair, the eyeliner, and the general aura he had... i thought that this new Parker would be completely bad ass, but this emo Parker seemed like a whiny little brat more than anything else...

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:04pm

He had eyeliner? I just saw him push the hair off and be really conceited and mean.

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:08pm

Uh yeah, me too!

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:11pm

And if you don't call the fight scene with Harry as Peter being badass . . . I don't know what you would call it then. Peter completely did a 180!

[C is for Company]

Posted: 5/4/07 at 11:19pm

That was such an incredible moment that I did not see coming. It was shocking and yet you so know that he is always capable of doing such things, they just never would cross his mind. It was refreshing to see him changing it up a bit when he webbed the bomb and swung it back around. I was happy and yet surprised at the same time.