The Sopranos Finale ***potential for spoilers***- Page 2

[Chita1933]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 10:49pm

So...what we were feeling for those few minutes is how he will probably feel his whole life?

and was the FBI guy rooting for Tony to "win."

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 10:58pm

Nothing technical (Meadow parking, Tony ordering onion rings, etc) in the last scene had any significance to the show - they were just running out the song, to be able to cut it at "Don't sto--."

What do you mean "nothing technical?" You don't think every little detail was thought about and put in purposefully? From the Vanilla Fudge cover of "You Keep Me Hanging On" weaving through the scenes with car radios, to the Little Miss Sunshine clip, to every song listed on the jukebox in the restaurant, I'd have to say that everything was there for a reason.

[blueroses]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:11pm

I felt sick and uneasy the entire hour, and the last two or three minutes were almost unbearable. When the guy walked back into the restroom, I kept thinking of the gun taped to the toilet in The Godfather.

I can't say I was crazy about the episode, but Chase will sure have everyone talking.

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:12pm

Bad choice of phrase. What I meant was that, in the bigger picture of the series as a whole, they were just little details, which served the purpose of setting us up for Tony's life of constantly looking over his shoulder.

Of course you can make a case for everything. The circular onion rings shows that everything came full circle. Etcetera.

I know it all served a great purpose, but in the scheme of things, it was all to show the idea that Tony will never feel safe. Even alone with his family.

[Cruel_Sandwich]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:26pm

So how much longer until someone accuses the finale of being homophobic?

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:28pm

My daughter's cell phone has a feature where a voice answers and says "please enjoy the music while your party is reached" and she programmed that damn Journey song in two or three months ago as a goof. Now it's slated for infamy.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:36pm

One of Sandra Bernhard's touring shows ended with a terrific rendition of "Don't Stop Believin'."

The final scene didn't happen in real time, there were gaps, which explains how Tony appeared to "see himself" sitting at the table in the restaurant. Although it DID look as if his shirt changed, so maybe I just don't know.

Though it is implied that it's Meadow who is coming thru the door behind Tony when the little bell rings, maybe it wasn't. And that was Tony's last conscious moment.

[somethingwicked]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:51pm

As frustrated as I am about the lack of eventfulness in the finale, the way Chase ended it really was perfect.

He left the story so the characters will live on forever in our minds. Without spoon feeding exactly how things wound up, he left the door open to millions of possibilities that can be rationalized in the minds of each and every viewers (a "choose your own ending" of sorts.) Creatively, he couldn't have done any better. The whole "everything leading up to nothing" aspect has always been a trademark of the show, and it was fitting that played such a crucial role in the way things ultimately came to be.

Though I hope a movie doesn't happen, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if we see one within the next few years. Chase has been adamant against the idea for some time, but considering the money HBO has offered him to come back the two and three times he wanted to end the series to begin with, I don't exactly see him as one to stick to his creative instincts when money's on the table. If the right offer comes along, I see him suddenly opening his mind to the possibility.

I would have liked to get more closure with Dr. Melfi (as I find her to have been a character deserving of going out in a better light,) but other than that-- very satisfying.

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:52pm

I'm very disappointed. There was no closure. I seemed as though the show was just pieced together. How can there be a possibility of a movie when all the good characters are dead or senile or too old to do the job?
Even if Tony woke up and he was really the electronics salesman who he embodied in his thoughts when he was shot, would have worked for me.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/10/07 at 11:57pm

"Closure" is a myth perpetrated by TV. It's not TV, it's HBO.

[Peter]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:06am

I've been a Sopranos fan for years, but nothing prepared me for the utter pretension of this episode. Let's just start with the song choices..soooo obviously placed and chosen, including the final one..and Tony flipping through the song choices...I could go " on and on and on and on"....oh wait....And then there's
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[iflitifloat]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:14am

And that was Tony's last conscious moment.

Hadn't looked at it that way. The episode is starting to grow on me.

Updated On: 6/11/07 at 12:14 AM

[Luscious]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:16am

I agree, Peter. I believe you hit the nail on the head; Pretentious with a capital P; a completely disjointed and ultimately unsatisfying waste of time. The fans disserved better.

Updated On: 6/11/07 at 12:16 AM

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:20am

Why would Tony need to be killed now that Phil Leotardo was already dead?

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 12:52am

I don't get it. Do we assume they're all safe? Or are we suppose to assume something bad happened?

[Cruel_Sandwich]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 2:29am

i loved loved loved that ending.

[DG]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 3:28am

"Do we assume they're all safe? Or are we suppose to assume something bad happened?"

Or, perhaps you can't assume anything - kind of like real life.

I feel sorry for those who approached this series like regular television, waiting for an answer to be dolled out to them in due course.

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 6:12am

The ending is like a French movie - it leaves you in the dark

In addition, you could see Phil getting whacked a mile away. It was also never explained why Phil's people went over to Tony

Totally not worth the effort

[SeanMartin]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 6:59am

Got up extra early this morning to watch it.

Truly, it was a stupid way to end.

But consider: how many times have we stuck it out with a series, only to see a "series finale" that looked half-baked? Yeah, some great ideas in those final scenes, but nothing really thought through, save in "oooo, how symbolic!" kinds of ways.

Chase knows better than this.

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 7:58am

Chase also knows that there's no way to end the show that would make everybody happy.

So, he didn't end it. He just cut it.

Either that creepy looking guy grabbed the gun from the toilet (a la The Godfather) or they had a pleasant dinner.

We'll never know.

Perfect.

No, it definitely won't go down in history as "the best," but it was pretty damn good.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 8:08am

Now that I've mulled it over for a few hours, there ARE answers to be found, or at least inferred. Here's my take: A.J., who ever so briefly, showed some spunk and morosely felt the pain of the world at large and was going to try to make a difference, reverted to the easy way of letting dirty money hand him opportunities he neither worked for or will be able to handle. Meadow, trading in medicine for law because she's seen first-handed how unfairly Italian-Americans are treated (when her father was taken off to jail in handcuffs, will marry deeper into "the family"; her fiance is already the designated lawyer on defending someone on corruption charges and his firm is already offering her a job when she hasn't even gone to law school yet...like the name Soprano isn't the reason? She'll end up being a lawyer, but seems headed for a practice that is diametrically opposed to what she envisioned doing (ie saving the world). Carmella...well, she'll be Carmella, and spin whatever happens into a version she can swallow. Paulie, most of his gang now gone, will be a sinking ship in the night, alienating all who will listen by telling stories of his glory days inbetween increasingly uncontrollable bouts of anger. He'll be absorbed into whatever group takes over, but won't have the status or respect he enjoyed in Tony's group, because let's face it, he's really annoying and just not all that smart. Janice will find someone else to feed off of and her child, who I would have sworn was destined to drown in Tony's pool, will be throughly f*cked up. And Dr. Melfi...eh, how unprofessional she turned out to be in the end, and I'm sure it will throw her into years of agonizing self-doubt and second guessing. And whether that was or wasn't Tony's last moment of consciousness, he was destined to try and hang on to "what he had", but with prescious little left to work with. Didn't the show begin, in season one, with him telling Melfi that he felt like the good days were all behind?

Underlying moral: the glamorous life wasn't so much...

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 9:57am

And in conclusion, THAT is why the last show was more like literature.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 9:57am

iflit, that is exactly how I felt. I thought the door in the café scene was a brilliant way of showing that Tony will never feel safe. Every time the bell rang I became more nervous for him. Would it be someone he loved or someone who would kill him? And that is how he lives the rest of his life. The AJ arc was such a perfect way to bring it back. I did think that he and his friend were going to kill themselves in his car when the smoke started coming in, but his awe and excitement for seeing the car blown up and the offer to help produce a movie were the perfect way for AJ to snap out of his depression and realize what a "cool" life he could have.

I have to admit I expected a few more big "endings", but on reflection it was simple yet so brilliant.

[wickedfan2]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 9:58am

Complete waste of my hour...

and to the person who said everything was planned out down to the music.. can you explain it to me?? Cause I don't have a frigggggggggen clue!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 6/11/07 at 10:08am

The big question is if you didn't have a friggen clue, was it a waste of your hour BECAUSE you didn't have a friggen clue or because you wanted everything explained simply and to be taken by the hand to some sort of firm conclusion?