#26
Posted: 1/21/10 at 10:57pm
They should send him to Guantanamo Bay. That'll teach him to be religious.
US Airways diverted over teffilin!?!? — Page 2
#27
xoxox
Posted: 1/21/10 at 10:59pm
xoxox
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#28
Posted: 1/21/10 at 11:26pm
"Billy, put down that phylactery. We're episcopalian."
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it." -Stephen Colbert
#29
Posted: 1/21/10 at 11:29pm
FINALLY! I was waiting for someone to reference Spelling Bee! haha
#30
Posted: 1/22/10 at 12:04am
That newscaster keeps calling them "tiflin." It's "teh-FILL-in."
When I was 11, I wanted to be a rabbi. (Briefly, in between veterinarian and actor.) I had tefillin and used them to pray. It made my mother veyr uncomfortable. That lasted only for about 3 months, then I stopped.
Years later I found them and tried binding my forearm like I used. Tazber is right: binding your arm with leather straps can be VERY sexy:
When I was 11, I wanted to be a rabbi. (Briefly, in between veterinarian and actor.) I had tefillin and used them to pray. It made my mother veyr uncomfortable. That lasted only for about 3 months, then I stopped.
Years later I found them and tried binding my forearm like I used. Tazber is right: binding your arm with leather straps can be VERY sexy:
#31
Posted: 1/22/10 at 3:18am
Oh my dear lord. I never thought I'd be in the position of defending a freaking Hassid, but here I am.
Teffilin are two wee boxes with leather straps. You wrap one around your arm and one around your head. They make you look like an idiot. They don't look like anything remotely explosive or electronic. And no, the religious guy couldn't delay his prayer, because it's tied to certain times of the day and you know what? An airplane isn't an unreasonable place to expect to be allowed to tie a little box onto your head and pray.
A concern for safety is being turned into "fear of anything that I've never seen in my white-bread suburb". If anyone had bothered to look for one minute it would have been clear nothing was up. Instead they had a simple reflexive reaction: Strange thing = terrorism. Classy. The fact that an FAA official described teffilin as "prayer beads" is just more proof of the ignorance that lead to this completely idiotic result.
By golly, I hate Hassidim, but this particular one's religious practice wasn't an imposition on anyone. It's not even remotely okay to talk about squashing minority cultures just so the Christian majority doesn't feel all squicky at the strange different guy.
Image of kid wearing teffilin
Teffilin are two wee boxes with leather straps. You wrap one around your arm and one around your head. They make you look like an idiot. They don't look like anything remotely explosive or electronic. And no, the religious guy couldn't delay his prayer, because it's tied to certain times of the day and you know what? An airplane isn't an unreasonable place to expect to be allowed to tie a little box onto your head and pray.
A concern for safety is being turned into "fear of anything that I've never seen in my white-bread suburb". If anyone had bothered to look for one minute it would have been clear nothing was up. Instead they had a simple reflexive reaction: Strange thing = terrorism. Classy. The fact that an FAA official described teffilin as "prayer beads" is just more proof of the ignorance that lead to this completely idiotic result.
By golly, I hate Hassidim, but this particular one's religious practice wasn't an imposition on anyone. It's not even remotely okay to talk about squashing minority cultures just so the Christian majority doesn't feel all squicky at the strange different guy.
Image of kid wearing teffilin
Updated On: 1/22/10 at 03:18 AM
#32
Posted: 1/22/10 at 6:23am
About the British Airways issue. BA's decision is really silly. There was only one incident concerning minor sitting next to a male adult so it's such a waste of time and funds to introduce regulation as such.
#33
Posted: 1/24/10 at 9:53pm
Tefillin are boxes with leather straps that wind around the head and arm. They contain the passage from Deuteronomy that say " Here O Israel the Lord our G-d the Lord is one. .............You shall love the Lord your G-d with all your might and all your heart............You bind them as a sign upon your arm and upon your heart. They shall be frontlets between your yes........." This passage is also in the Mezzuzah that we put up on the doorposts. What intrigued me, was the fact in all these articles about tefillin, no women were shown wearing them. Today, women may put them on if they wish. I am proud to say that I will be learning from my Rabbi who to put them for prayer.
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#34
Posted: 1/24/10 at 10:05pm
Perhaps because women wearing teffilin is a very reform idea and this article was about an orthodox teen? I have always heard that men are obligated to wear them to be more spiritually connected during prayer and women don't have to because they are by nature already more connected. At least that's what the orthodox explain to those crying out sexism.
Any update on this story or did they crazy trying to open an emergency exit mid-flight overshadow this one? LOL What the heck is going on with planes nowadays?!
Any update on this story or did they crazy trying to open an emergency exit mid-flight overshadow this one? LOL What the heck is going on with planes nowadays?!
#35
Posted: 1/24/10 at 10:33pm
There is a lot of things that women are doing now as part of reform Judaism that they simply couldn't do under orthodox Judaism. Yes, teffilin is one example as is having a Bat mitzvah. I know that there are a lot of women who are now as adults getting one because having one as a child was simply unheard of. I know my mom got one a while ago due to the fact that she wasn't able to have one when she reached the age of 13 when she was a child.
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#36
Posted: 1/24/10 at 10:37pm
I don't know how old your mother is, but I think I may be older than she is. I had a bas mitzvah at 13, and so did all my Jewish female friends. This was a lonnnnnnng time ago!
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#37
Posted: 1/24/10 at 11:24pm
Michal, the rather butch daughter of King Saul, who helped David to escape when her father was going to kill David, liked to wear tefillin and the Talmud says, "The sages did not object."
Nevertheless, most Orthodox rabbis frown on women "laying" tefillin.
Here's a picture of Michal helping David, whom she later married, escape.
The marriage ended badly. Michal didn't like that her husband would dance, half-naked, in religious processions. David didn't like that his wife criticized him.
He had a bunch of other wives (and a boyfriend named Jonathan), so he refused to have sex with her and she died childless.
Nevertheless, most Orthodox rabbis frown on women "laying" tefillin.
Here's a picture of Michal helping David, whom she later married, escape.
The marriage ended badly. Michal didn't like that her husband would dance, half-naked, in religious processions. David didn't like that his wife criticized him.
He had a bunch of other wives (and a boyfriend named Jonathan), so he refused to have sex with her and she died childless.
#38
Posted: 1/25/10 at 12:56am
There are many things that the orthodox jews frown upon that is done in conservative Judaism. Things like a woman standing on the bima or hell even being a female rabbi or cantor. Hell, even the notion of a jewish couple not having sex through a sheet is something that the very religious find wrong.
Yes, Orthodox Jews are required to have sex through a sheet. That has to be one of the dumbest religious rules I have heard. I can understand that they follow the whole notion of "be fruitful and multiply." But, they really mean it as a business thing and not a pleasure thing apparently.
And, Jane, my mom is in her late fifties.
Yes, Orthodox Jews are required to have sex through a sheet. That has to be one of the dumbest religious rules I have heard. I can understand that they follow the whole notion of "be fruitful and multiply." But, they really mean it as a business thing and not a pleasure thing apparently.
And, Jane, my mom is in her late fifties.
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#39
Posted: 1/25/10 at 9:45am
Winston, I sure hope you are being sarcastic. Please don't be as ignorant as that flight attendant.
#41
Posted: 1/25/10 at 10:12am
All I got from Winston is that he views Orthodox Judaism as one step above Hell.
#42
Posted: 1/25/10 at 10:13am
What I got from the Snopes article is that ass-drivers are supposed to have sex once a week.
#43
Posted: 1/25/10 at 10:42am
And NO, Winston, girls having bat mitzvahs in your mother's day was NOT unheard of.
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#44
Posted: 1/25/10 at 1:20pm
First off I was trying to be funny with the whole having sex through a sheet thing. I was simply stating in a very matter of fact way that there are a lot of things done in conservative Judaism that aren't done in the more religious orthodox Judaism. That the less strictly religious sects of the Jewish faith are the more forward thinking and the more religious you go up the ladder so to speak you go, the more traditional they try to stay.
and Jane, I spoke to my mother about her Bat Mitzvah since it had been a long time since we spoke about it. She told me that when she was that age, no, you're right, it wasn't unheard of. However, it wasn't as common as it is today either. It wasn't something that she did when she was a girl and apparently there were a few of her girlfriends growing up that didn't get one either.
and Jane, I spoke to my mother about her Bat Mitzvah since it had been a long time since we spoke about it. She told me that when she was that age, no, you're right, it wasn't unheard of. However, it wasn't as common as it is today either. It wasn't something that she did when she was a girl and apparently there were a few of her girlfriends growing up that didn't get one either.
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#45
Posted: 1/25/10 at 3:20pm
"Yes, Orthodox Jews are required to have sex through a sheet."
No, they actually aren't.
No, they actually aren't.
#46
Posted: 1/25/10 at 3:31pm
A Bat or Bar Mitzvah is not something that or have or get. It is something that you automatically become at 12 for a girl and 13 for a boy. It means daughter or son of commandment. At those ages you are responsible for performing mitzvot. Ex: lighting candles, reading Torah, studying Torah, visiting the sick giving to charity, etc. yet today, people tend to view it as an occasion. The girl or boy gets called to the Torah and puts on a Tallit [prayer shawl} for the first time. They read out loud from the Torah and maybe give a short lesson on the Torah portion. Today, many people have such a lavish catered affair that could probably out do a wedding. The sad thing is, you rarely see the kid again in synagogue again. I applaud the young man on ther airplane for putting on his tefillin to pray . He obviously sticks with his responsibilites that happened when he turned 13. Incidently, you don't a formal ceremony to become a Bat or Bar Mitzvah. It is something that automatically happens at 12 for a girl and 13 for a boy.
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#47
Posted: 1/25/10 at 4:42pm
The Talmud tells us that sex on the Sabbath is the sweetest sex of all.
Or so I was told the Talmud tells us...
Or so I was told the Talmud tells us...
Updated On: 1/25/10 at 04:42 PM
#48
Posted: 1/25/10 at 5:30pm
"It is something that you automatically become at 12 for a girl and 13 for a boy."
Why do boys get an extra year to shirk their responsibility to the Most High?
Why do boys get an extra year to shirk their responsibility to the Most High?
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#49
Posted: 1/25/10 at 8:33pm
Because girls tend to reach puberty sooner.
#50
Posted: 1/25/10 at 9:41pm
Actually a Bar or Bat Mitzvah is a Jewish right of passage into becoming an adult in the Jewish community. Since something like reading from the Torah is considered to be an adult thing that is why it is done when a child is 13 years of age.
Yes, I will agree that Bar/Bat Mitzvah Parties tend to be overly lavish and overdone. If you want a good example of that and the tradition that goes with that then take a look at the movie Keeping Up With The Steins. The ceremony consists of the new Jewish adult reading from the Torah for the first time. The celebration comes in due to the fact that they are celebrating going form child to adult.
Yes, it is something you become but it is something you become after the ceremony.
Yes, I will agree that Bar/Bat Mitzvah Parties tend to be overly lavish and overdone. If you want a good example of that and the tradition that goes with that then take a look at the movie Keeping Up With The Steins. The ceremony consists of the new Jewish adult reading from the Torah for the first time. The celebration comes in due to the fact that they are celebrating going form child to adult.
Yes, it is something you become but it is something you become after the ceremony.
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