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#26

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Do you understand that without that "iffy" fund, there would be nothing for the majority of senior citizens in this country?

Nothing.
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#27

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"Do you understand that without that "iffy" fund, there would be nothing for the majority of senior citizens in this country?"

Do you understand that from my generation on, there is no fund? At the moment, for every person that collects there are only 3 employees paying into the system?

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#28

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"We'd have a lot of senior citizens out on the streets homeless and dying."

They wouldn't BE homeless if they'd built their own houses out of bricks instead of straw and they wouldn't be dying if they ate nutritiously.

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#29

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

And as we've discussed in the past, the US has socialized healthcare in the form of Medicare and Medicaid and neither Democrat nor Republican has been been able to make it work.

You need to define, "make it work" what does that mean exactly?

Are you speaking of delivery of services? Cost efficacy? Ease of enrollment? What? Simply saying that something doesn't work without saying why isn't much of a rebuttal.
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#30

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"Simply saying that something doesn't work without saying why isn't much of a rebuttal."

Let's take my grandmother for example. She's 92 years old. She first has to find a doctor that will accept Medicare. Some of them won't accept her simply because they are at their limit of Medicare patients. She has to be driven a long way from her home to go to a doctor who then recommends her to a specialist and the whole "Medicare search" starts all over again.

That's the situation that the government ignores. Since the Democrats currently have control of Congress, why don't they fix it?
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#31

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That she has to drive to see a doctor?

Is that the worst thing you can come up with?
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#32

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Gothampc---Is no system at all better than a shaky system?

Sounds exactly like that's what you're saying in these posts. You've offered nothing realistic here except for complaints and finger-pointing. No suggestions of who should pay for it, how it should be policed, improved, etc.

Just WAAAAA.

That's so boring and tedious.


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Updated On: 2/12/08 at 03:58 PM

#33

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"You've offered nothing realistic here except for complaints and finger-pointing."

I've offered suggestions in the past and people like you freak out. All you suggest is that taxpayers should take on a higher tax burden and that hurts people living paycheck to paycheck.
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#34

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I don't see why Ivan and I, or any other gay person, has to pay taxes at all.

I'd gladly pay if I had the rights other Americans have.
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#36

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

I sympathize with your grandmother for having to travel to find a doctor...but, at least she has access to one. What would she do if she didn't have Medicare at all? Would she be better off? Would she get the health care that she gets now, even though she has to travel to find it? Yes, it's an inconvenience, but it hardly constitutes as a failure of the system, or of a system that isn't working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Medicare guaranteed convenience.
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#37

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"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Medicare guaranteed convenience."

My point exactly. Everytime the government gets involved they make it more difficult for people.

Obviously you've never been sick. The last thing you want when you are in pain is to have to travel 30 miles each way to see a doctor.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#38

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"All you suggest is that taxpayers should take on a higher tax burden and that hurts people living paycheck to paycheck."

And if someone is living FPC2PC, how would a medical problem NOT destroy them finacially?
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#39

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I haven't been to a doctor or dentist in over a year. I'm lucky nothing has happened to me to require it, but that's my constant fear.
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#40

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"Obviously you've never lived paycheck to paycheck."

and as usualy Goth, you are wrong......frankly you have NO knowledge of my history, and indeed there was a long period of my life while in college (which I paid for) where I ate beans (OFTEN) for dinner.....and lived paycheck to paycheck.

so next time before you insert your foot into your mouth....check your (assumed) facts
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#41

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"I have a very low paying ($1500/year) insurance policy. One visit to the dentist alone costs me about that much."

Jane I hear you, exactly what I've got......so anything after February is out of pocket as I've used it up, but I feel lucky to have that
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#42

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

I'd suggest going to the dentist regardless of whether you have insurance, OS. I don't have dental insurance, either -- my choice, although I know it's a gamble -- because what I'd pay into it would be more than what I'd just pay out of pocket for an annual checkup. But I still get a cleaning once a year (I know it should be twice a year, but I do what I can do).

But, skip those regular checkups and small things can turn very bad and very expensive quickly.
#43

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"indeed there was a long period of my life while in college (which I paid for) where I ate beans (OFTEN) for dinner.....and lived paycheck to paycheck."

Then why would you make it difficult for people who live in that situation now? You want Hillary Clinton to force people to have money removed from their paycheck that they desperately need to pay their rent?

If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#44

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But Goth--why not use the tax money that's currently going to war?

I like Hillary's plan because it's presented as an imperative.

I would much prefer the "crisis" of the next administration to be "how to make the new healthcare system" work rather than "how to wage an illegal and immoral war that doesn't even avenge 9/11 after all."
#45

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oh you are not even worth answering.......anyone who states things like

"apparently you have never been sick" truly needs to get some sort of therapy

your arguments make no sense, you constantly stick your foot in your mouth, and way too often make a total fool of yourself. I refuse to argue with someone who cannot make sense.

begone, OFF my thread......go back to the bridge you live under....Geh Weg!

Get off of my planet, NOW!

It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956

Updated On: 2/12/08 at 04:33 PM

#46

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Yeah, I've been intending to get to the dentist sometime soon, but I'm just concerned the dentist will come up with some "maintenance" procedures. Before, because my parents' insurance covered me, fixing an old sealant or filling was no issue, but when it costs $300 just to fix a worn-down filling, I can't afford to do something that's not an immediate necessity.
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Updated On: 2/12/08 at 04:37 PM

#47

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"My point exactly. Everytime the government gets involved they make it more difficult for people."

There's nothing stopping your grandmother from seeing a doctor that's closer, is there? If the inconvenience out weighs going to a physician who takes Medicare why doesn't she use one that's closer? It's not the government who's making it more difficult for your grandmother, it's the physicians who don't take Medicare. You want it both ways it seems. You want your grandmother to be able to take advantage of Medicare, yet you want to blame the government because it's not as convenient as you'd like. It's not convenient for me to walk 10 blocks to the Post Office...do I get to blame the government for that too.

"Obviously you've never been sick. The last thing you want when you are in pain is to have to travel 30 miles each way to see a doctor."

Obviously I've never been sick??? Pretty sure of yourself aren't you? Can I send you my medical bills?
"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett
#48

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

orange, at least get them cleaned....just for preventative reasons.

there was a time when I didn't go to the dentist for 4 years (because I lived from paycheck to paycheck contrary to what our friend under the bridge thinks), and when I did, I paid the price.......had I been going I could have avoided some of that.
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956
#49

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"But Goth--why not use the tax money that's currently going to war?"

Why didn't Hillary fix it when there wasn't a war? Why didn't Jimmy Carter fix it? Why didn't JFK do it? Everything can't be blamed on the war. This problem didn't crop up yesterday.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#50

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anyone else find it interesting that rather than answer direct questions, he deflects asking why others whatever......
before you go away Goth, answer the direct questions you are asked....but then you never do, do you? And you never have. And that, in a nutshell is why you are never taken seriously.....

go away, shoo......you are not wanted here......
It is ridiculous to set a detective story in New York City. New York City is itself a detective story... AGATHA CHRISTIE, Life magazine, May 14, 1956

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