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#76

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

The only people who wouldn't get check ups are those who are illegal.

If it was covered, folks would go and wouldn't 'wait until there was a real problem'.

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Updated On: 2/12/08 at 06:16 PM

#77

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

If the cost is inexpensive most people will go to the doctor for check-ups. The US has a larger number of cases of severe medical conditions, that were preventable, than in countries with universal healthcare. In the US now, many people wait until a problem is really severe and can't be ignored anymore, which in some cases is too late. They aren't seeking earlier attention because they can't afford it. Will there still be some people who don't go to the doctor-of course, but that number won't compare to the those that will.
#78

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"Will there still be some people who don't go to the doctor-of course, but that number won't compare to the those that will."

Same number of people that will file their taxes before April 15 right?
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#79

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"If the cost is inexpensive most people will go to the doctor for check-ups"

That is an absolute lie. In a sedentary country like the United States I highly doubt that you will see a huge rise in check-up attendance. What you will absolutely see is a huge rise in emergency room visits for non emergency purposes...
#80

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

You can't force people to go to the doctor, but you can educate people about preventative life practices to make them responsible for their own health. If healthcare were not so growingly cost-prohibitive, perhaps people wouldn't be so reluctant to get yearly checkups. Their money would be going towards them, anyway.
#81

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

and do you think that a majority of the US' obese population aren't aware that they are obese? The media is saturated with anti-smoking campaigns, but is the Cigarette a dying commodity?

Education doesn't work in a grand scale, and in a country like the United States, universal health care will cost infinitely more than in other countries...
#82

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"No it's the government. Doctors are only required by government to accept a certain amount of Medicare patients. That's the point. People who have government based healthcare still fall through the cracks."

What crack has your grandmother fallen through? Is she not getting health care? Has Medicare denied her treatment? Being inconvenienced by having to drive 30 miles to a doctor is not a crack. It's an inconvenience, and yes it sucks, but it is not the governments fault that the Doctor who practices closer to where you grandmother lives is not taking more Medicare patients. It's his/her choice not to take more medicare patients. Not the governments.
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#83

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Does anyone seriously believe healthcare costs will not continue to escalate with universal healthcare?

More & more will come out in taxes as time goes on. Some of those who advocate it now will regret it.

If you truly believe costs will not keep going up with UHC, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.


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#84

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"and in a country like the United States, universal health care will cost infinitely more than in other countries..."


It already does cost infinitely more than other countries with Universal Healthcare, with less to show for it.

"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett
#85

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"Does anyone seriously believe healthcare costs will not continue to escalate with universal healthcare?"

And do you seriously believe that cost won't rise, if there's not universal health care? What's your point?
"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett
#86

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

And as much as we like to blame trade agreements like NAFTA, most domestic job losses in the manufacturing sector are due to offshore outsourcing driven by soaring employee entitlement programs such as health insurance. Health insurance has become anathema to small business and industry which requires considerable manual labor. Not everyone can be a knowledge worker in our economy nor can the service sector create all decent paying jobs.


#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#88

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Mr Roxy, since you have studiously avoided answering how EXACTLY you paid for getting that red meat-destroyed chunk of your colon surgically removed, let's try it this way. I'll TAKE that bridge you're selling if you paid for it all out of pocket.
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#89

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"I just got back from the DMV.....
Nevermind....I'll keep my hat out of this arena. "

Brilliant!
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>> “I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>> -whatever2
#90

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Maybe health insurance SHOULD be like car insurance. If you have a good record, you get better rates. If you have an unhealthy lifestyle (smoke, have high cholesterol from poor diet/exericise, etc.), you pay more because you need more.
#91

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

And as much as we like to blame trade agreements like NAFTA, most domestic job losses in the manufacturing sector are due to offshore outsourcing driven by soaring employee entitlement programs such as health insurance. Health insurance has become anathema to small business and industry which requires considerable manual labor. Not everyone can be a knowledge worker in our economy nor can the service sector create all decent paying jobs.

Why does every sentence you post have to be so long AND so boring?

One would be bad enough. Two is excessive.
#92

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

""Maybe health insurance SHOULD be like car insurance. If you have a good record, you get better rates. If you have an unhealthy lifestyle (smoke, have high cholesterol from poor diet/exericise, etc.), you pay more because you need more. "

I think my head just made a complete spin a la exorcist.
<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES
#93

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"Why does every sentence you post have to be so long AND so boring?"

The same reason the policy wonk you so rabidly support rattles off a laundry list on the campaign trail in response to any question put before her meriting a single-sentence response.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#96

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

Sesot, Like you, I also work in a hospital. And we treat every patient the same. It doesn't matter if they have health insurance or have BCBS. A sick person cannot be turned away from a hospital. And there are free clinics for people to go to for healthcare. The USA has the best health care in the world. We are just spoiled! I have been to Haiti a couple of times on medical missions. I always say that people that boo hoo about our health system need to go to a country like Haiti to see where real help is needed. I still stick by my stance, get a good education, get a good job and you will then be given good health insurance. Oh by the way, some of the best health insurance out there is Medicaid..... any thoughts on that?
#97

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

So you're saying everything is fine here b/c we're better off than Haiti?

"get a good education, get a good job and you will then be given good health insurance."

Why don't you tell that to the underprivileged who even with a good education (the acquisition of which is a whole other problem) still won't get a good job.
It boggles my mind how people can reduce such a complex issue to absolutes like that.
....but the world goes 'round
#98

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

people that boo hoo about our health system

Whis is that the the people with "rent" screen names on BroadwayWorld are often the people most likely to have made Jonathan Larson throw up?

Or are they all the same intolerant sock puppet?
#99

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"The USA has the best health care in the world. We are just spoiled! I have been to Haiti a couple of times on medical missions. I always say that people that boo hoo about our health system need to go to a country like Haiti to see where real help is needed."

You're actually going to compare Haiti one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere to the US to show that we have better health care? Why not compare the US to France? Which spends spends less than half per capita than the US does for it's health care, is ranked #1 by the WHO as the country that provides the best overall health care and provides it to all of their citizens.

"I still stick by my stance, get a good education, get a good job and you will then be given good health insurance."

So EVERYONE is just supposed to get a good education,and then a good job and health insurance will follow? PROVE IT. If everyone gets a good education and expects to get a good job and health insurance...what happens to those jobs that didn't pay for health insurance...do they just disappear because everyone now has an education? I guess that means if everyone gets a good education we will no longer need, farm workers, service industry employees, the self employeed? Wow, that'll be great, but who's gonna harvest the crops? Work in the fast food restaurants, deliver your pizza?

"Oh by the way, some of the best health insurance out there is Medicaid..... any thoughts on that?"

Yeah, I have a thought. Why can't we all have it?




"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------ "I do not suggest you walk out the door onto a New York street with your vulnerable child part exposed and not protected..." - Jason Bennett
#100

re: Universal health/dental care and why we need it

"I still stick by my stance, get a good education, get a good job and you will then be given good health insurance."

Those "get"s seem so simple when you put it like that. Of course not everybody has identical access to a good education, or good jobs and nowadays, nobody is "given" good health insurance.

Didn't ANYBODY see Lisa Kron's "Well"?

"Lisa, not everybody has the same resources you have."
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