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I won't be spending any of my money on his shows: "Wicked", "Edward Scissorhands" until the lies are corrected or the film pulled from the schedule.
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http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060907/2006-09-07T234626Z_01_N07260695_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SEPT11-DEMOCRATS-FILM-DC.html
Executive Producer Marc Platt acknowledged that "there is dramatic license taken" in the docudrama to "render the program effective and accessible for viewers." Speaking to Reuters by telephone from London, he added, "We have no intention or desire to be political, to intentionally distort."
Platt also said one scene singled out for criticism by Democrats -- depicting CIA operatives and Afghan fighters coming close to capturing Osama bin Laden in the 1990s, only for then-national security adviser Samuel Berger to refuse authorization of the mission -- was a "conflation of events."
Berger said in a letter to Iger earlier this week that "no such episode ever occurred, nor did anything like it."
The September 11 attacks occurred about eight months after Clinton turned over the presidency in January 2001 to Republican George W. Bush.
For several years, Democrats have complained the Bush administration failed to capture or kill bin Laden when he reportedly was cornered in Afghanistan's Tora Bora region in late 2001. They also argue the war in Iraq later took away resources for tracking down bin Laden.
ABC said its movie was not a documentary but a dramatization drawn from the official 9/11 commission report, personal interviews and other materials.
"As such, for dramatic and narrative purposes, the film contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue and time compression," ABC said.
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"No one has seen the final version of the film, because the editing process is not yet complete, so criticisms of film specifics are premature and irresponsible...We hope viewers will watch the entire broadcast of the finished film before forming an opinion about it."
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,19958,00.html
I don't want to put this into a political debate, because qutie frankly politics divide people too much - so I am just going to include my opinion.
Apparently, the movie has not finished editing yet, so its not fair to make judgements on whether there are going to be lies in the final production, and I understand that you would like to see the lies corrected - but from the article you printed.....
"""ABC said its movie was not a documentary but a dramatization drawn from the official 9/11 commission report, personal interviews and other materials. """
.....in my mind means that personal interviews may conflict with what the government says - we don't know who is telling the truth - again not trying to get into a political debate - I am just saying that its he says she says.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060907/ap_en_tv/911_film_clinton_officials_18
Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Clinton Foundation head Bruce Lindsey and Clinton adviser Douglas Band wrote in the past week to Robert Iger, CEO of ABC's parent The Walt Disney Co., to express concern over "The Path to 9/11."
Albright objected to a scene that she was told showed her insisting on warning the Pakistani government before an airstrike on Afghanistan, and that she was the one who made the warning.
"The scene as explained to me is false and defamatory," she said.
Berger objected to a scene that he was told showed him refusing to authorize an attack on Osama bin Laden despite the request from CIA officials. "The fabrication of this scene (of such apparent magnitude) cannot be justified under any reasonable definition of dramatic license," he wrote.
Lindsey and Band objected to advertisements for the miniseries, which they said suggested that Clinton wasn't paying enough attention to the threat of terrorism.
"While ABC is promoting "The Path to 9/11" as a dramatization of historical fact, in truth it is a fictitious rewriting of history that will be misinterpreted by millions of Americans," they said. "Given your stated obligation to 'get it right,' we urge you to do so by not airing this drama until the egregious factual errors are corrected, an endeavor we could easily assist you with given the opportunity to view the film."
Who else is excited for Disney's Little Mermaid?
I was waiting for someone to post the connection on this. Personally, I think docu-dramas are crap, especially if they're about something like 9/11.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
So I hope you will join me then in NOT supporting Mr. Platt's shows if this crap is shown as fact on ABC. CBS pulled their "Reagan" movie when Rush Limbaugh and others complained about it. ABC and Mr. Platt should do the same thing.
Hmm.... this is interesting but for me as with any "news" like this, I step back and gather as much information possible before drawing a conclusion. Its just more propaganda. For anyone to dismiss any guilt of our recent governments or administrations (at least since 1947) in concerning the events before and after 9/11 is a big mistake. They are all guilty. Trace your history and learn the TRUTH.
Our government has a history of overthrowing democratic states and planting puppet leaders abound. The roots of the current Taliban were sown long before there was an Osma.
I'm not for censorship of any kind. I would be careful with this one. I almost believe more people will watch as a result of the "controversy," it feels like reverse propaganda from the Republican side. Just watch that dog and make sure the tail isn't wagging him. Think outside these boxes.
Also remember the Mouse is presenting this thing. I wish Americans would step back and see why 9/11 really happened. The democrats and republicans are both guilty. It’s hard to blame our government for such a horrible act of devastation, but it’s finally time to step back and get some real answers. Then and only then will the real victims rest in peace.
"There are precious few at ease
With moral ambiguities
So we act as though they don't exist"
Updated On: 9/7/06 at 09:39 PM
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
OY! Yes, they are both guilty but to make up scenarios that never happened and present them in a docu-drama that many will see as fact, is just not right.
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Long live Ann Coulter. She rocks!!!
Oh and by the by, I LOVE tv movies. That last one with Judy Davis was awesome and I own the Martha Inc. DVD. Is the Reagan one out?
"OY! Yes, they are both guilty but to make up scenarios that never happened and present them in a docu-drama that many will see as fact, is just not right"
Then call a spade a spade. Michael Moore does this ALL THE TIME.
"Who else is excited for Disney's Little Mermaid?"
I haven't laughed so hard in days. Thank you!
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
I think he phrased that very nicely.
Edit Shouldn't this be on the off topic board?
Updated On: 9/7/06 at 10:08 PM
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
People who saw Michael Moore's film paid admission in a theatre. They did not get it piped into their homes on free network TV. It is not the same thing at all.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
Well, if they feel uncomfortable watching it, then they can easily turn it off.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
That is NOT THE POINT! It isn't about comfortable. It's about lies. Don't worry about it. Just go ahead and pluck down your money to see "Wicked" for the 100th time and fatten up this guys wallet.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
fatten up this guys wallet
Who is this guy?
I agree with jimnysf's stance on this.
It's simply idiotic to put something on the air that lies to the American people about 9/11. I realize that a lot of Americas are lied to on a daily basis and don't even realize it. For ABC to air this, it shows thier support for this kind of right wing propaganda. Anyone with basic cable can simply flip on this horrible excuse for a "docudrama" and if they are already uninformed on what's happening in this country, then this propaganda will simply spoon feed them "facts" and maybe Bush will not be looking so bad now (though I don't see how that could ever be possible).
EDITTED to add:
neddyfrank2, "this guy" is referring to Marc Platt.
Updated On: 9/7/06 at 11:06 PM
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/10/05
This guy is Marc Platt. He is the producer of "Wicked" and "Edward Scissorhands" and the producer of "The Path to 9/11". That's the show we are talking about in this thread.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
Well Jimmysf, have you ever met Marc Platt?
I assume not.
Well if you have you would know that he is most least greedy person you will ever meet. How he does not do what he does for money, he does it because he loves it.
You also wouldn't know that he gives away A TON of money every year to major causes, how he was awarded for what he does in LA (not for producing, but how he helps the community), and you wouldn't know how nice of a man him and his family are.
Please stand by what you said. Tell me he is someone who just wants to fatten his wallet. I dare you.
Updated On: 9/7/06 at 11:13 PM
Maybe the man isn't greedy, but if he's producing propaganda to the American people I don't know how "nice" he really is.
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Neddyfrank you are deranged. I stand by what I said. THE FACT IS THAT HE IS USING HOS MONEY IN THIS CASE TO DEPICT A STORY FULL OF LIES ABOUT ONE OF THE WORST DAYS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. Get a clue already or go back and watch Fox News and don't forget to order another $100 plus ticket for "Wicked".
Thanks LuvLiza. It's nice to know someone else gets it.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
Well I am sorry that you don't know how nice he is, it's a real shame.
I am not going to sit here all night and argue this.
But I will tell you that ABC is the one who makes the decision, not Marc.
I also will tell you he is a very commited man. HE is commited to this project.
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/23/05
Jimmysf- I am sorry that you have very hostile feelings towards people you have never met or even talked to. He is not selling us anything. It is a movie, it is not a documentary. How many movies that you see are completley accurate? And on top of that your yelling at the wrong person. Go yell at ABC or the writers.
Updated On: 9/7/06 at 11:22 PM
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"But I will tell you that ABC is the one who makes the decision, not Marc.
I also will tell you he is a very commited man. HE is commited to this project."
LOL! He is the producer, not ABC. A producer is the one who puts up the money. If, as you say, he is "commited" to this project, then he is OK with the lies. The end.
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