Women thrown out of mall for kissing...- Page 2

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 7:11pm

I think Radiana is simply saying that people intensely making out in public is not necessarily the most appropriate behavior. It's not dangerous behavior, but it's just something you shouldn't be doing in public; and note I said *intense* making out, i.e., groping, sucking, licking, etc. A simple display of affection like some kissing isn't a big deal, but I think that's all she's saying.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 7:21pm

Then I don't think that children should be allowed to suck on ice lollies in public. It's too sexual in its implication and it could lead to harder stuff.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 7:24pm

Don't be ridiculous. There's a difference between copulating on a bench in the middle of the food court and a peck on the lips.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 7:29pm

"Ridiculous" was my intent.

It's easy to point to extremes and say what is acceptable and not, but it's more difficult to define the mid ground and do likewise.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 7:31pm

Well, sure, but I think that the layman would be able to discern the point when a couple's PDA goes a little too far.

[winston89]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 8:14pm

The forward thinking liberal side of me would like to believe as well that they were thrown out for kissing the same way that a straight couple would be. But, I too am not sure that that is the case.

Either way, while people may do that there might be a point where it is over the top. My best friend constantly kisses his girlfriend in public all the time to the point where it grosses me out. If it were a same sex couple doing it all the time I am sure that I would feel grossed out as well. For me, regardless of the genders involved, I find that doing it too much or for too long a period of time can be overkill for the people who are around them.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 8:23pm

Absolutely, Winston.

In any case, I hope that these girls were not being discriminated against. Unfortunately it's probably the case.

[Soprano91]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 8:31pm

I agree with what's been said. Whether or not this is an issue depends entirely on how "explicit" the couple was. If they were making out and feeling each other up and all that, by all means get them out of public view. But if it was just a quick kiss, the fact that they were thrown out is very sad and very wrong.

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 8:34pm

Exactly.

[winston89]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 8:46pm

I just read the article, and at least to me, it is clear that they were picking on them just because they were two girls. Yes, that is wrong. However, I might feel differently if the rent a cops at the mall were just as strict with everyone else regardless of sexual background and told people who were straight to stop as well. However, it is clear that they didn't.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 9:01pm

My experience has shown me that straight people need to be about two seconds from actual penetration in public before someone says something or gets involved or whatever. My experience has also shown me that two guys even standing too close together in some places is enough to get people bent out of shape. I'm not saying straight people don't ever get reprimanded, but let's be real here. Not only would this not have happened to a straight couple, but most straight couples wouldn't think twice before any kind of PDA whatsoever.

Unless we ARE talking about two lesbians going down on each other in front of Mothers in a Pod or whatever the store is called, the "protecting the children" argument is nothing but a red herring, and horesh+t at that. Even a couple - gay OR straight - was making out "inappropriately" (whatever that may be), how long does it take to turn your damn kid around or cover its eyes? And if you're not there to shield them they they are clearly mature enough to handle people making out in public, regardless of the gender combination.

[Radiana]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 9:22pm

If we took a poll as to how often we see people in foreplay situations in public I would venture to say that most of us would say rarely. Which means to me that most people are not exhibitionists.

IAMWHATIAM, I think it's wonderful to see people in love.

Phyllis, It's kind of difficult to hold my hand over my damn kids eyes in a 45 minute line at Disneyland. Kids don't like that kind of thing.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 9:24pm

What were the people doing in line?

[Radiana]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 9:27pm

To quote Alley.

but it's just something you shouldn't be doing in public; and note I said *intense* making out, i.e., groping, sucking, licking, etc.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 9:33pm

?

[killertofu333]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 10:13pm

I thought the article said that one girl kissed her girlfriend on the cheek. I can understand what some of you are saying about protecting children from overtly sexual or even mild displays of affection, that involve hands, tongues and a few other things that can make a situation go awry. However, the issue here is: Were these two people who just happen to both be women involved in a LESBIAN relationship, being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation or a small peck on the cheek? What's so inappropriate with a light peck between 2 people who are together regardless of gender and preference?

I don't want to pick on straight people, 'cause I've got a lot of straight friends, but I've seen a guy and girl fiercely making-out up against a wall in the food court and no one even said "boo" they just continued as families and other shoppers passed. But my friend gets the dirtiest most hateful looks of disgust when he just holds hands with his boyfriend. So protecting kids and double standards, at least to me, are two completely different beasts.

[tazber]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 10:19pm

This reminds me of that absurd reaction to nipple-gate.

Ms Jackson's nip was exposed for what? 3 seconds? And unless you really looked you could barely even tell.

Any child that was seriously corrupted by that has larger issues than seeing a nipple.

So, you're in the mall and two lesbos are frenching.
Direct your kid's eyes away and don't look.

And should they ask you about what it is, explain it.

You're not justifying homicide or rape. It's a kiss. How hard is it to explain?

If you can't find the right words to say to them, then perhaps you (the collective "you", no one in particular here) need to recognize that the problem isn't the kiss or the kid's seeing it.


It's you.

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 2/3/09 at 10:30pm

"Priest's use of 'of course' offends me more than what happened in the mall."

...I live in Texas. Don't know if that changes it in your mind, but just throwing it out there.

[winston89]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 12:57am

Radiana, how do you know what kids like and don't like. Yes, I understand that you have kids and that your a parent. But, saying that seeing people kiss in public as something that kids don't seems like a blanket statement. Sure, your kids might not like it, but that doesn't mean that ALL kids everywhere don't like it.

I think that it is a bit much to say what everyone likes and what everyone doesn't regardless of the situation. Hell, there might even be some kids out there who don't mind seeing people kissing in public.

[Q]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 2:12am

When I'm standing in line at Disneyland, the thing that bothers me the most is some kid standing near me wearing a shirt with the word F*CK written on it.

And what I find most offensive are the parents that would allow such a thing, and not care about the other children around who are being exposed to such filth.

[Radiana]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 2:54am

Winston this is what I said when I was referring to what kids don't like.

Phyllis, It's kind of difficult to hold my hand over my damn kids eyes in a 45 minute line at Disneyland. Kids don't like that kind of thing.

I never said kids don't like to see people kissing in public.
As happens sometimes with threads, the original subject morphs into other topics.

When I entered the discussion I simply mentioned that I have known of mall security to ask people to leave for certain behaviour that the management felt was inappropriate. I gave as an example my son who was a teenager at the time of the incident. He was told to either turn his shirt inside out or leave the mall.

According to IAMWHATIAM I was terribly misguided for thinking that there should be some limits as to how far a couple should go in public with their affections. She also inferred that I didn't raise my son properly because he wore the shirt with the F word on it to the mall. Teenagers tend to be rebellous no matter how good a parent you are.

As for the original topic of the lesbian couple being asked to leave. I don't know what the truth is I wasn't there.

Good to see you again Q.

[B3TA07]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 3:00am

As someone from Texas I can understand Priest's meaning behind "of course" but see why it would be offensive to people.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 3:04am

There is definitely no way to know WHO is in the right here unless you were there.

The women claim it was nothing more than a peck on the cheek and a little entertwinint of legs. IF that's the truth, the women are in the right.

The management et al claims it was more physical...more "going at it". IF that's the truth, the management was right.

However....the point still comes to: if hetero couples were not thrown out for the same exact offense...no matter which way it happened the management is in the wrong!

I'm a mom. I would never worry that they happen to see an innocent pda between ANY two people. I've had many discussions with my kids about people that are gay. My son at 6 asked WHY some boys would want to like other boys -- he happened to walk in during a kissing scene on Torchwood. I compared it to his peanut allergy: He didn't choose to have an allergy, it's just part of who he is, and the same is true for gay people. He thought about it for a second and went on with his life.

If we did happen across inappropriate PDAs I'd simply tell them not to stare and we'd talk about how that behavior should be private and not public. Really, not a huge deal.

And yes, MOST of America is still terribly sexually repressed...even tough we try to pretend we are not.

[nmartin]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 5:58am

"...I live in Texas. Don't know if that changes it in your mind, but just throwing it out there."

Since you live in Texas, you're allowed. Apologies given.

[LaurenB]

Posted: 2/4/09 at 7:05am

"I compared it to his peanut allergy"

LOL. That's a good one, I'll have to remember it.



"The women claim it was nothing more than a peck on the cheek and a little entertwining of legs."

They forgot their winkie winkie. I wouldn't believe that either if a heterosexual couple made that statement.