clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 42

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 4:09pm

TMI

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 4:10pm

Just think.  He'd never even have heard of Bernie if it weren't for BWW!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 8:40pm

Hillary makes a lot of liberals who think Hillary should be punished unhappy.  They just can't agree on what it is she needs to be punished for, only that it needs to happen.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 10:01pm

Annnnnnnnd here we go!  Miss Monica Lewinsky on Good Morning America tomorrow.  Now many of the people who have been wanting Hillary punished can backdate a reason!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 10:33pm

I liked her TED Talk. 

[SNAFU]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 11:05pm

Wait she gave a TRD talk on C*ck Sucking? Where do I sign up?

 

[Steve C.]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 11:22pm

No Snafu

She gave a very moving and intelligent speech about the price of shame, cyber bullying, trolling, and how the internet is open to any fool with a pc or keyboard and how hurtful things live forever. Every click we make online is tracked and used for advertising and other uses and people profit from this type of public shaming. She spoke of the teen Tyler Clemente that killed himself after he was filmed with another man, (by his college roommate). It was not what I expected at all, and though the timing is suspect, she said it's not political, she just had to speak up now about how bad this problem has gotten. She has paid a price that not many people have had to do. I don't think she plans on saying anything about HC and vice versa. Her words really made me think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8y0WLm78U (it's on you tube, I couldn't get the link enclosed)

 

Updated On: 9/29/15 at 11:22 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/29/15 at 11:30pm

Why don't people shame Linda Tripp?

[javero]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 1:05am

"Why don't people shame Linda Tripp?"

 

(Short Ans) It's been suggested by some that Linda's machinations kept Monica alive.  Monica was a loose cannon.

 

I now feel even more sorry for Monica because she hit the scene so full of youthful hubris not realizing that she was swimming with sharks.  Linda recognized that Monica was as dumb as a box of rocks at the time, had a predilection for married men, and embroiled in a scandal that could bring in the mother lode.

 

Cunningness and manipulation are highly regarded in this town where ruining powerful politicos of the opposing party is considered sport.  Linda tried to pimp out Monica to Ken Starr but any mall lawyer would have known better than to build a case around Monica's credibility back then . Ken Starr & Linda Tripp came very close to rewriting history.  He was aiming for the Supreme Court and she FoxNews.

 

 

Updated On: 9/30/15 at 01:05 AM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 9:32am

Yeah, I can't believe people still sh*t on Monica Lewinsky the way they do, but I guess that was kind of the point of the Ted Talk.  

[PalJoey]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 9:57am

FindingNamo said: "Why don't people shame Linda Tripp?"

 

Because it would be redundant.

 

 

 

[javero]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 10:02am

I also believe that Monica was too much ahead of her time.  Nineties-era slut-shaming has lost most of its bite.  Today, that sort of notoriety is priceless.  Just imagine Kris Jenner's handling of the situation if one of her daughters found herself in Monica's predicament.

 

As to be expected, Linda Tripp has resumed trashing Hillary's name at every turn to anyone still willing to listen.

Updated On: 9/30/15 at 10:02 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 10:07am

And then Monica reappears.  Now.  To make the liberals who are "unhappy" with Hillary even more righteous.

[javero]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 10:14am

Perhaps Linda & Monica have set differences aside and secretly joined forces.  After all, Monica got neither the man nor a real career for her part in all of it.  A family member suggests that both have crawled out of their burrows to renegotiate their rumored hush money settlements.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 9/30/15 at 10:23am

 Nineties-era shut-shaming has lost most of its bite.

Not if this thread is any indication.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 8:21am

FindingNamo said: "And then Monica reappears.  Now.  To make the liberals who are "unhappy" with Hillary even more righteous.

As if the reasons liberals are unhappy with Clinton has anything to do with Monica Lewinsky or Benghazi...or her emails. That's a popular sentiment with pundits and wealthy neo-liberals. But it's not true.

Meanwhile...

Bernie Sanders Raises $24 Million, Powered by Online Donations Exceeding Obama’s 2008 Pace

"The onslaught of online donations, collected since May, came at a faster clip than the Internet fund-raising operation of President Obama’s 2008 campaign. Mr. Obama did not pass the mark of a million contributions until the Democratic primaries were under way in the winter of 2008, according to Obama fund-raising solicitations at the time. Mr. Sanders has also amassed 650,000 contributors, well more than Mr. Obama had at the comparable point in that campaign cycle."

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/30/bernie-sanders-raises-24-million-powered-by-online-donations-exceeding-obamas-2008-pace/?_r=0

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 8:25am

Bernie's going to give us the same kind of hope and change Obama did!

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 9:09am

Hooray for false equivalencies!

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 10:06am

I'm not sure it's a false equivalency.  This seems like a replay of 2008.  How is Bernie going to do what Obama couldn't?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 10:27am

'Cept for all the things that Obama DID but you can't be disgruntled and say they're all the same if you acknowledge that.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 10:30am

He did what he could with the most combative congress in recent memory, for sure.  I'm sure Bernie will, too (if he won), but I have yet to see anyone articulate what makes Bernie so different (save for how he collects money).  Answers from anyone but South Florida will be considered.  

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 11:03am

Obama has been a fantastic president, though it looks like no one from either party, or even the media, is willing to admit it.  Given the condition of the country when he took office, where we are today is truly remarkable.  Is it perfect?  No, far from it.  But I hope whoever wins the Dem nomination has the courage not to run away from his accomplishments, and I hope the media has the courage to actually report facts, and not to echo GOP talking points.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 12:25pm

Think of how far the Republicans would have pushed the lower price of gas as a major accomplishment of a Republican president.

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 12:32pm

When Obama took office:

Uninsured rate: 15.4

Unemployment rate: 7.8

Stock Market: < 8k

Now:

Uninsured rate: 11.4

Unemployment rate: 5.1

Stock market: > 16k

In addition to these statistics: marriage equality, Bin Laden killed, DADT gone, auto industry saved.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/1/15 at 12:40pm

FindingNamo said: "'Cept for all the things that Obama DID but you can't be disgruntled and say they're all the same if you acknowledge that.

Another straw man argument because I never said "they are all the same" or that Obama hasn't done anything. I think the only person who said that is Headband. Feel free to continue engaging him on that point if you wish since he's the only one that made it. 

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Updated On: 10/1/15 at 12:40 PM