clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 44

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/4/15 at 8:19pm

 

She mentions that at about the 27-minute mark.

 

 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 2:24am

Enjoyed Hillary's SNL appearance - especially her willingness to be needled on her late-coming public support for marriage equality.  It was especially enjoyable watching Kate McKinnon be the one to push back on that point with her.  But, I was kinda disappointed at how dismissive the Bernie Sanders jokes were - calling him the Lorax and saying he was an angry, mad old man at McDonald's screaming about getting pickles on his burger.  No other candidate - not even Trump - had his or her looks used at the butt of a joke. The opening sketch's Trump jokes were about his behavior and ridiculous statements about immigration and women and about his inability to communicate an even somewhat intelligent policy proposals; the (quite funny) Ambilify prescription drug commercial made fun of Santorum and Huckabee's lack of self awareness and longshot status.  They could have made 100s of socialist-themed jokes.  They could have even gone after his one supposed policy weakspot - gun control - but instead they made some "crazy old man" jokes.  It felt a touch insulting and dismissive.  And, yeah, I know they're "just jokes", but when he's the only one being singled out that way, it does feel rather deliberate.  

Updated On: 10/5/15 at 02:24 AM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 9:21am

 

They could have made 100s of socialist-themed jokes.  

 

Socialism is NOT funny.

 

They could have even gone after his one supposed policy weakspot - gun control 

 

Guns are even less funny.

 

but instead they made some "crazy old man" jokes. 

 

Crazy old men--like Bernie!--are funny.

 

 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 9:36am

I wish they had called him a wild-haired Jew.  

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 10:20am

 

 

Wild-haired Jews are definitely funny.

 

 

Updated On: 10/5/15 at 10:20 AM

[Kad]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 11:49am

It could be that, instead of a media conspiracy to keep him down, Sanders just isn't inherently funny and the SNL writers haven't found a good comedic hook for him and so relied on lazy jokes about his age and looks. I mean, it's taken them all of Hillary's career to even build this decent rendering of her now (which is arguably the best any of such caricatures). They still don't really have one of Obama.

Trump, Huckabee, Santorum, Palin- they're all basically sketch characters anyway, they lend themselves well to sketch comedy. But Sanders? He's a serious person and isn't prone to gaffes or outrageously offensive or underinformed statements. He's basically just the "I'm mad as hell!" scene from Network.

[darquegk]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 1:17pm

The current comedic version of HRC just seems like a clean mouthed Jane Lynch character.

[DAME]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 2:26pm

Clinton is back up in the polls which makes me very happy.  Still a long time to go and things will go up and down. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 11:25pm

 

Bernie's gun addiction is gunna kill his campaign.

 

 NEW YORK TIMES: A Hunting-State Senator Treads Lightly With Guns

 

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/5/15 at 11:37pm

Well, you know, he doesn't feel like changing laws will do anything.  He doesn't feel it.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 10/6/15 at 1:58am

I think Kad hit the nail on the head. There really isn't a punch line to Bernie other then being an old, wild white haired old Jew. Give that man a comb! I can say that because I have the same problem he does about being coiffed as people who know me can attest. Look at the (well deserved) laughs Darryl Hammond's Bill Clinton got. You can simplify some people to a phrase or a characteristic.There are some people who are just hard to characterize. Kate's Hillary comes close... much closer, I feel then Amy Pohler's did. 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 4:44pm

Oh boy.  Hillary's flipping on her support for the Trans Pacific Partnership and speaking about her decision - in pretty vague terms on today's PBS News Hour.  I certainly support her, um, newly acquired view even if I'm concerned about any stress injuries she's going to experience from all that finger-in-the-wind repetition.  

 

I wonder how/if this will impact Obama campaigning for her after she wins the nomination.  

 

 

Updated On: 10/7/15 at 04:44 PM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 5:31pm

Just as she put her finger-in-the-wind for the Keystone Pipeline and amazingly came to some kind of "decision" on it years after the fact! Political expedience, my friend. All politicians -- with the exception of one or two -- are guilty of it. Sick and pathetic. 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 5:40pm

I understand that point of view, but I don't agree with it.  I'm far too pragmatic to be idealizing politicians. While it's nice to know who got there first - and Bernie deserves credit for that on many progressive issues - at the end of the day, I'm more concerned with who gets there before it's too late and who the most influential person in the room will be.  Hillary's opposition to this trade agreement - political expediency and all - is going to be far more influential than Bernie's choir preaching.  

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 6:59pm

I don't know if this is too

absurd but I think we need to look at who the donors are.

Updated On: 10/7/15 at 06:59 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 7:04pm

PJ care to list them?

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 7:07pm

Hillary's opposition to this trade agreement - political expediency and all - is going to be far more influential than Bernie's choir preaching.

 

But isn't her newfound opposition irrelevant if it's false, insincere and only for political gain? The trade issue is easily one she can exploit during the election and then "evolve" on once in office. 

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 7:09pm

Why do you keep asking PalJoey to do your homework for you? If there's some contribution you think should be made to the thread by way of listing someone's donors, why don't you do it?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 7:55pm

 

All right, I'll admit: I GAVE HER FIFTY BUCKS!

 

[javero]

Posted: 10/7/15 at 8:40pm

ok South Florida...your homework assignment has been posted at http://www.fec.gov/portal/searchable.shtml

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 8:07am

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 8:09am

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000528

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 8:15am

 

All you people sound like Fox News with your whiny "political expediency" and "finger in the wind" complaints. (Who was it Fox News used to say "flip-flopped"?)

 

There's a delicate road that has to be followed when you're opposing a sitting president for whom you served as Secretary of State. She disagreed with Obama on MANY issues while she was working for him, just like you and I often disagree with our bosses--but you can't come out and say, "My boss is an asshole." 

 

Plus it would be bad for the party for her to say "The president was wrong."

 

But there were are many issues on which she disagreed with Obama, not the least of which is Syria. It's possible that her plan to arm Syrian "moderates" would have ended up where we are today. But it's also possible it would have defeated ISIS early on and gotten rid of Assad at the same time.

 

Give her a break on disagreeing with her ex-boss. She's going to be the best president of your lifetimes.

 

 

Updated On: 10/8/15 at 08:15 AM

[javero]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 1:31pm

"She's going to be the best president of your lifetimes."

 

I sincerely believe that and have always thought of the Obama presidency as transitional in nature for a number of reasons. She's arguably the most qualified presidential candidate in US history who hasn't governed a state.  In the past, many of Hillary's detractors claimed that she rode the coattails of some very powerful men to secure a position at the table for herself.  In light of Obama's stellar record in most contexts, I find those charges historically obtuse.  In the most important spheres of influence today, Hillary is without peer.  The world needs her in the White House. 

Updated On: 10/8/15 at 01:31 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/8/15 at 3:58pm

You guys go too far.