so I was called unamerican today- Page 4

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:11pm

Just saw your last post, Jane.

I don't know if you're talking to me, but yes, I do realize that. And I know that at my company, for instance, if I were to say something racist to you about Violet, you are actually obligated to report me, and I'd be reprimanded.

And if you didn't, and Violet found out you'd heard the remarks and did nothing, she could be in trouble too.

Part of our zero-tolerance policy.

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:11pm

And Reggie, there were students at my schools who were incorrigible. To every single teacher in the school. Of course we talked and laughed about these kids. But did they have any idea we felt that way about them? NO, because you keep your personal feelings OUT of the classroom.

[lildogs]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:12pm

I'll tell ya something right now, if someone said something about my Obama button, they'd be carrying her out on the job.

As my grandmother always said, "Tend to your own knittin' kitten."

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:12pm

I understand that, Jane. My sister's a teacher, and she tells me very funny stories and comments that are made in the teacher's lounge, or wherever.

I just don't think this is quite the same thing.

[SkierRob02]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:13pm

Good for you, Jane. I love your stance in all of this.

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:13pm

I'm just saying that if you fired everyone who said something unprofessional in private, almost no one would have a job. Let's get real.

[SkierRob02]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:15pm

Agreed!

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:16pm

I agree totally, Jane. My only point is that there's private and there's private.

In my company, if you're walking past my office and hear me say something racist (sexist, etc.), that's enough to cause trouble.

[best12bars]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:17pm

My only problem here is that the conversation wasn't actually in private. It was in the teacher's lounge---the "break room" of the school. She said this on school grounds during a workday.

This wasn't a private conversation in her home or away from work.

[KrissySim]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:22pm

yes, b12b

I once worked for a corporation that made you sign a statement as condition of employment that you couldn't say racist, sexist things or anything contrary to the company image while you were on the property of the company or wore any clothing or insignia associated with the company.

In a teaching environment it may depend on the policy of the private institution or state law for public instruction. Does this school have an attorney that one could consult?
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[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 4:24pm

When I say private, I meant not in the classroom.

I'm sure I didn't teach in the only school system in which the teacher's lounge was a hotbed of all sorts of unprofessional conversations. A place to vent. Any teacher could, if they chose, go down the the principal and complain that someone said something untoward in the teacher's room. I don't know if they did in my school, but more than likely, the tattle tale would be in more trouble than the perp.

Sexual harrassment, I believe, is something different. Wherever I work, I have to sign a document understanding the repercussions of it. I don't think it's tolerated anywhere.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 5:24pm

There's private and then there's Private Benjamin.

Updated On: 10/22/08 at 05:24 PM

[violet72]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 5:34pm

I will not say anything to the student because as Jane said what she said was not in the classroom and if I did it would be unprofessional and grounds for being fired. Also she is leaving in 3 months so it shouldn't be a problem

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 6:30pm

And you know what, Violet? If that teacher is teaching intolerance, it will catch up with her some day! I say the truth always wins in the end.

[cubanpab]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 6:46pm

"I'd sue your ass off if you tried that on me."

that just made me chuckle. considering who it's coming from.

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 6:47pm

Meaning what, Pab, I'd like to chuckle too!

[cubanpab]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 6:56pm

good times :) Updated On: 10/22/08 at 06:56 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 7:19pm

Stalking?

OH yes, I'm the major stalker here! The entire board can tell you stories of my stalking them.

If you are referring to my personal life, well, I can only think of one person I know that you know. I can only say stay out of danger, if you're smart.

Updated On: 10/22/08 at 07:19 PM

[cubanpab]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 7:38pm

good times :)

Updated On: 10/22/08 at 07:38 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 7:51pm

[cubanpab]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 7:54pm

lol.

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 8:02pm

First of all, thanks god you're hearing stories about me. It's when they stop coming that I have to worry.

But seriously, maybe you heard stories and maybe you didn't. But you made a remark about me stalking, and that's not fair. You sound like you believe someone who has a vicious mind and made that up. Not good, pab.

Yes, we had a problem and you told me that you would NOT blame me if I were mad at you. So, I was mad for a while, but you didn't accept that, and now it seems like we are enemies now, and I have no idea why.

[cubanpab]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 8:10pm

we can continue this thru PM if you'd like Jane - seriously

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 8:13pm

I already started my pm to you

[Jane2]

Posted: 10/22/08 at 9:32pm

"Good for you, Jane. I love your stance in all of this."

Sorry I neglected to mention your post earlier, skier, thanks so much!