Skip to main content
My Shows
News on your favorite shows, specials & more!

A Star Is Born - "mystery collector" revealed

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.

#2

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

That's wonderful. I'd love to see it.
Now, someone come forward with the original print of The Magnificent Ambersons.
#4

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

A very, very good friend of mine used to work in video production in the mid 90's until about 3 years ago. He told me that Ron Haver knew about a full, and complete print that was in existence - and, had complete access to it. But, he wasn't interested in it - since he wanted all the glory in restoring the film on his own. Was this guy's print the one that Ron knew about, I don't know.

If you've read Ron's book, he did know about a film editor at Warner Bros. who had an uncut print, but he wasn't ever able to see, or use it. Until he was arrested and the uncut print went back to Warner Bros. - the rightful owners. The "Loose That Long Face" sequence was taken from the newly found print, and put into the restored film.


Updated On: 4/22/10 at 06:45 PM

#5

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

A fascinating story! But I wonder how much truth there is to it.
"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."
blocked: logan2, Diamonds3, Hamilton22
#6

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

The only way to get these films back would be for Warner to have the collector arrested

Ron Haver did this with the collector who had "Lose That Long Face." Said collector claimed he didn't have the footage but later he was caught with it and has his entire collection confiscated.

Is it any wonder collectors do not want to work with studios?

Cast albums are NOT "soundtracks."
Live theatre does not use a "soundtrack." If it did, it wouldn't be live theatre!

I host a weekly one-hour radio program featuring cast album selections as well as songs by cabaret, jazz and theatre artists. The program, FRONT ROW CENTRE is heard Sundays 9 to 10 am and also Saturdays from 8 to 9 am (eastern times) on www.proudfm.com

#7

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

Joe Capporicio is a buffoon and a well-known buffoon to anyone who actually works in the business. There is a reason he is not working in home video - no one will go near him. He's been let go from every company he's ever managed to hoodwink into hiring him. He knows of the existence of soundtracks that don't exist, prints that don't exist, memos that don't exist. He will always tell you "go to this or that archive, it's all there" but when asked to provide direct proof, he never ever can.

He once insisted that the Valley Of The Dolls soundtrack came out almost nine months after the film, because that's when he bought it. He would not budge, despite I and others telling him the soundtrack was released within weeks of the film's release. He called people names, called them liars, demanded proof (even though HE had none) - well, we provided him with positive proof - he disappeared immediately.

I doubt this supposed print exists - I know that Joe Caps has never seen it unless it was in the windmills of his mind. He is, in fact, a little crazy. For him to be called a film "historian" is a joke - he is a historian only in his own mind. He has written no books, no real articles. I mean, we're all film historians if he's one.

I'm sure Michael Arick is not amused right now. Because of this guy has been telling people he's got such a print, and he DOESN'T have it, well, the time is nigh, baby, for the truth to be told. Which is they're all full of beans.

And Ron Haver was hardly after all the glory - if he'd been able to get his hands on an uncut print, you can bet your ass he would have.
#8

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

This new restored digital version of "A Star Is Born" is premiering tonight at Grauman's Chinese Theatre tonight. Tickets are $250. Was hoping it would go on Gold Star or something.

Frontrow, in all fairness, he stole the print. That's why he was arrested. Theft is theft.

I just spoke to my friend that I referred to earlier, and he confirmed - Ron knew about a full, uncut print all along that he had access to, but wasn't interested in it. My friend was there on 2 separate occasions with Ron, when he told him that. My friend was quite shocked. Was it this person? Not sure. I'm just the messenger.

Updated On: 4/22/10 at 07:12 PM

#9

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

"If you've read Ron's book, he did know about a film editor at Warner Bros. who had an uncut print, but he wasn't ever able to see, or use it. Until he was arrested and the uncut print went back to Warner Bros"

Actually, that was not a complete print - the collector had only the "Lose That Long Face" number.
#11

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

"Ron Haver did this with the collector who had "Lose That Long Face." Said collector claimed he didn't have the footage but later he was caught with it and has his entire collection confiscated. Is it any wonder collectors do not want to work with studios?"

Neither Haver nor the studio had anything to do with the arrest. Haver met with the collector, who insisted he had nothing to offer. At the NY premiere, the guy who told Haver about the collector asked why Haver hadn't used his footage, and Haver told him that the collector said he didn't have anything from ASIB.

The guy said, "I know he does - I've seen it!" He then went to a pay phone, came back and said, "You'll get your footage." He had tipped off the FBI, who confiscated the guy's entire collection. But Haver himself never took any action against the collector. And if the collector hadn't lied to Haver when he was asked about the footage, he'd have kept his collection.

Updated On: 4/22/10 at 07:41 PM

#13

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

This would be neat to finally get to see someday, but I'd be more interested in the first preview print of The Wizard of Oz with "The Jitterbug" number intact. As far as I know the footage no longer exists and no one has ever claimed to own it, but part of me still hopes that someone in the editing room had the foresight to hold on to it and it wasn't really lost forever. Nowadays it would have just ended up as a bonus scene on the DVD. Why oh why did they just trash things in those days? I'll never understand it.
#14

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

"Why oh why did they just trash things in those days? I'll never understand it."

Because there was absolutely no use for them - no TV, no DVDs, nothing. As far as they were concerned, the film was done and would never be revised or expanded. So holding onto outtakes just didn't make sense. They were held for awhile but then trashed to save money and space.

You can kind of understand it - who in 1939 would ever have thought that people would be able to watch high quality copies of movies in their homes, and that people would want to watch 70 year old films? Most of the producers thought the work would be forgotten after a few runs. Nobody was making anything for the ages.
#15

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

I dunno. Something about this story still seems like strange people making things up.

The difference between this story and the stories about Miles Kreuger's films of Broadway shows from the 30s through the 50s is that people have actually SEEN Miles Kreuger's films.

When someone claims to have seen the uncut Star Is Born, maybe then I'll get excited.

Updated On: 4/27/10 at 08:17 AM

#16

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

Neither Haver nor the studio had anything to do with the arrest.

You're right. I just re-read that segment in Haver's book and it it was exactly as you described. The fan who blew the whistle on the collector may have won the battle to get "Lose That Long Face" back (The version seen in the Radio City Music Hall premiere was Haver's reconstruction from alternate takes) but probably forced more collectors underground for fear of losing their collections.

Until the video age movie studios did not want individuals owning prints of their films. Older titles that were in the PD they could not control and a few small companies struck deals to issue films in 16mm and 8mm for libraries and home buyers. (Blackhawk used to sell Laurel and Hardy's classic comedies this way. The library I worked at in High School had many of these films on 16mm form Blackhawk.) But aside from these issues, the only way one could get a complete print of a film was to steal it.

Collectors did manage to save many titles that studios lost or discarded, but they had to keep a low profile.

I have always loved A STAR IS BORN and for years wondered why two key songs that were on the soundtrack album were never shown on TV. Then came the announcement of the restored version in 1983. There were complaints that it wasn't 100% restored, but when you watch it now there is only 5-6 minutes that are covered by stills and few minutes of soundtrack that were cut because they lacked stills to make the scene work. The bulk of the film is there and it plays beautifully.

I shudder to think of the mess Andrew Lloyd Webber plans to make of this one.


Cast albums are NOT "soundtracks."
Live theatre does not use a "soundtrack." If it did, it wouldn't be live theatre!

I host a weekly one-hour radio program featuring cast album selections as well as songs by cabaret, jazz and theatre artists. The program, FRONT ROW CENTRE is heard Sundays 9 to 10 am and also Saturdays from 8 to 9 am (eastern times) on www.proudfm.com

#20

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

He must be enjoying this. Even the Wikipedia page now says "Its has been reported that Michael Arick has the missing footage. Please check the boards on The Judy Room."

Either way, he's a cretin.
#21

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

marknyc, you are honestly starting that petition in vain. If Arick does indeed have the print and hasn't shared it yet, aside from maybe a few private screenings with friends, what makes you think your petition is going to be the catalyst to make him do it?

If confronted he'll simply deny it, since no one has any real proof and just go on his merry way.
#24

A Star Is Born - 'mystery collector' revealed

Thank you, Pal Joey. Joecaps is certifiable and has been for many years. There is this whole Fantasyland underground and they all KNOW this exists and yet not one of them has seen it. Joecaps says Arick has shown him the print - no. Only in his rather warped head. Until someone who is trustable and real says they've seen the footage then this is bushwa. Always has been, and, most likely, always will be. I'm sure Joecaps will swear he's seen the Welles version of Magnificent Ambersons, too.

BroadwayWorld TV


Ticket Central
Hot Show
Tickets From $73
Hot Show
Tickets From $89
Hot Show
Tickets From $89
Hot Show
Tickets From $65