Posted: 1/19/16 at 1:57am
After Eight said: "I was over it the minute I saw it."
No one cares. You long ago forfeited the right to have anyone to take anything you say as anything but troll droppings.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 2:13am
I acknowledge that there seems to be a lot of buzz domestically about Hamilton. However, this show is (in my experience) completely unknown to the Australian general public. The show is extremely US centric and I find it hard to believe it will really capture the interest of those who don't know anything or care about that aspect of US history. The Book of Mormon is commonly known in Australia because of the South Park heritage. I don't know why people would talk about Hamilton (and they aren't, at least in my experience).
Posted: 1/19/16 at 3:42am
I really like Book of Mormon but personally feel that it is overhyped (or at least it was in its peak). The first time I saw it I felt a little disappointed due to all the crazy amounts of hype it had gotten that I didn't feel it lived up to, even though I still really enjoyed it.
On the contrary, Hamilton completely lived up to the hype for me. I couldn't have loved it more. And for that reason, the amount of press the show gets doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I enjoy seeing the show (and therefore musicals) get so much attention.
I think it all comes down to personal taste. But the Hamilton score is brilliantly written. Whether its to your taste or not is another matter. It has refrains (as most musicals do), but 'My Shot' sounds completely different to 'Helpless' which sounds completely different to 'Wait For It' which sounds completely different to 'What'd I Miss' etc. But then I also don't see the similarities between 'My Shot' and the In the Heights title song, besides the fact they both include rapping. The scores are very different, Hamilton has much more rapping than Heights and when it's not rap it tends to be R&B whereas Heights was much more salsa/latin influenced.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 3:46am
qolbinau said: "I acknowledge that there seems to be a lot of buzz domestically about Hamilton. However, this show is (in my experience) completely unknown to the Australian general public. The show is extremely US centric and I find it hard to believe it will really capture the interest of those who don't know anything or care about that aspect of US history. The Book of Mormon is commonly known in Australia because of the South Park heritage. I don't know why people would talk about Hamilton (and they aren't, at least in my experience). "
Of course it will take a while for the buzz to reach other countries, it hasn't even been on Broadway a year yet. Book of Mormon probably didn't have much buzz in places outside of the US in 2011 either, it happens (or doesn't happen) when the show mounts their own productions in different countries.
I'm not from the US, knew nothing about American history and didn't care to but I love Hamilton. We've seen time and time again that musicals about different places/times than the one in which they're produced in can go on to be major successes in various places. (Les Mis, Evita etc.)
Updated On: 1/19/16 at 03:46 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 4:00am
I was responding to a claim that it already had "pierced international consciousness". If we acknowledge it hasn't, I agree the reasons why are likely for what you have suggested.
Still, I'll be surprised if Hamilton can become as well known internationally. Book of Mormon was being discussed here before they even announced a production. It's a musical that people who don't see musicals want to see. Hamilton is dense and complex.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 5:41am
Except that it IS also a musical that people that who don't see musicals want to see.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 6:54am
The cast recording sounds like a 2 hour stampede from the Lion King with rap "music".
Horrible. Noisy. Loud. Not much musicality at all.
It's even leaning towards racism as it confirms all stereotypes.
Did the composer just copy an old Destiny's child album and changed a note here and there?
Updated On: 1/19/16 at 06:54 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 8:12am
GavestonPS said: "Take a trip to the hinterlands. Outside of Manhattan and those who travel there, nobody's even heard of HAMILTON. (Myself, I simply skip the threads talking about HAMILTON finances and tickets, though I do read those that discuss the actual show.)
But I do understand how you feel. I get that feeling with certain films: that I've already seen them because I've seen so much hype."
But this is where Hamilton is different (and where I believe you are wrong). I LIVE in the hinterlands. Like, the true, rednecky hinterlands. My small town is in rural western Pennsylvania. And the kids in our small school have heard of Hamilton. Have listened to, and in some cases downloaded, the soundtrack. Have Googled the founding fathers as a result.
It fascinates me because in my small town I am one of the only people that has Broadway on her radar AT ALL. But Hamilton is seeping in here. I've honestly never seen anything like it.
Updated On: 1/19/16 at 08:12 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 8:23am
"But Hamilton is seeping in here. I've honestly never seen anything like it."
Of course it is. How could it not? The overhype on overdrive is forcing it to seep in here, there, everywhere. There's no escape from it --- which is exactly what's intended. It's the name of the game, and the aim of the game.
The game is reaching its aim --- to our great misfortune.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 8:27am
After Eight said: ""But Hamilton is seeping in here. I've honestly never seen anything like it."Of course it is. How could it not? The overhype on overdrive is forcing it to seep in here, there, everywhere. There's no escape from it --- which is exactly what's intended. It's the name of the game, and the aim of the game.
The game is reaching its aim --- to our great misfortune."
"to our great misfortune" is obviously subjective. I disagree with your assertion, as I really do love the show. But the purpose of my post was only to say that the "hinterlands" ARE hearing about Hamilton. A student went up to my teacher friend and asked her, "...have you heard about Hamilton?" in the reverential tones that one might ask if you've "...heard about our lord and savior, Jesus Christ?" That is VERY unusual for musical theater in my area. It's a phenomenon I've not seen, and it fascinates me.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 8:38am
"It's a phenomenon I've not seen, and it fascinates me."
Yes, and I've explained to you the reason why.
If everything from Got Tu Go Disco to Glory Days had been overhyped to every reach of the universe like this show has been, then they too would be known to every remote hamlet, grotto, and subterranean kingdom of the solar system.
There's nothing surprising or astounding about it. To the contrary, it's all too predictable --- sadly.
Updated On: 1/19/16 at 08:38 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 9:14am
macnyc said: "Taboo, you're not qualified to compare Hamilton to anything if you haven't seen it, and your rapping is terrible.
I sort of liked his/her rapping. Rap battle?
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Posted: 1/19/16 at 9:33am
After Eight said: ""It's a phenomenon I've not seen, and it fascinates me."
Yes, and I've explained to you the reason why.
If everything from Got to Get Disco to Glory Days had been overhyped to every reach of the universe like this show has been, then they too would be known to every remote hamlet, grotto, and subterranean kingdom of the solar system.There's nothing surprising or astounding about it. To the contrary, it's all too predictable --- sadly."
Thanks for your attempts to "enlighten" me. Again, we disagree. Which is not surprising.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 9:37am
qolbinau said: "I acknowledge that there seems to be a lot of buzz domestically about Hamilton. However, this show is (in my experience) completely unknown to the Australian general public. The show is extremely US centric and I find it hard to believe it will really capture the interest of those who don't know anything or care about that aspect of US history. The Book of Mormon is commonly known in Australia because of the South Park heritage. I don't know why people would talk about Hamilton (and they aren't, at least in my experience). "
Do you really think the majority of Americans KNEW who Hamilton was before the show? I don't thin he was that big of a household name and now he is(at least in briadway households). I'm sure it will have similar success in other countries.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 9:51am
If that's the case, A8, then why DON'T all shows do this?
It's getting obnoxious coverage because it's a huge hit (regardless of whether or not you think it should/shouldn't be), it's not a huge hit because of the coverage. Nor is it why it is more well known than any other b'way show I've seen talked about. The kids on the football team aren't going to SEE all the coverage we are talking about: on websites, our friends facebooks....the overcoverage that's "there" is in theater communities and such. It's had fewer tv appearances than most shows, as well.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 10:00am
After Eight said: "If everything from Got to Get Disco to Glory Days had been overhyped to every reach of the universe like this show has been, then they too would be known to every remote hamlet, grotto, and subterranean kingdom of the solar system.There's nothing surprising or astounding about it. To the contrary, it's all too predictable --- sadly."
What a thoroughly ignorant and illogical thing to say! Those shows were not liked by hardly anyone. No amount of marketing or hype would make them a phenomenon. Hamilton is beloved by enormous percentages of the people who have encountered it. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, or vice versa. What's sad is that you feel the need to make up reasons to avoid confronting that you are out of touch with the world you live in and/or you are just a pathetic troll. Take your pick.Or actually, we are having a sale today. Take both.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 10:13am
MVintheheartland said:
I sort of liked his/her rapping. Rap battle?
Thanks.
stream of consciousness to rhyming words set to tempo and music.
it's . not. that. difficult.
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Updated On: 1/19/16 at 10:13 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 10:30am
"If that's the case, A8, then why DON'T all shows do this? "
Do you really need ask? Someone as sharp and as intelligent as you?
Because they don't have the backing of the powers-that-be in the media and arts world, the movers and shakers, the glitterati, the agenda crowd, the hitch-your-wagon-to-a-star brigade.
That's a formidable band shoving it non-stop in our faces and down our throats.
Tums sales will no doubt skyrocket.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 10:46am
More fresh references like Got Tu Go Disco from the evergreen AfterBirth.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 10:59am
We'll see how this does in London. We did have a previous work of genius in Spring Awakening dropped upon us like wet turd and we soon gave it its marching orders...
Posted: 1/19/16 at 11:10am
After Eight said: ""If everything from Got to Go Disco to Glory Days had been overhyped to every reach of the universe like this show has been, then they too would be known to every remote hamlet, grotto, and subterranean kingdom of the solar system.
There's nothing surprising or astounding about it. To the contrary, it's all too predictable --- sadly.
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When will this disgusting trend of shows that people enjoy becoming popular end? Why won't people hype shows that nobody enjoyed? When the reptilian theatre elite hold their secret meetings, why don't they ever choose an Amazing Grace for the hype machine? Why do only well-crafted shows with wide appeal and great reviews and good word of mouth and smart producing get hyped these days? It's nauseating. Really, it is.
Updated On: 1/19/16 at 11:10 AM
Posted: 1/19/16 at 11:19am
Like it or not Hamilton has gotten people talking, whether it's in a positive or a negative light. This very thread is a great example.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 11:32am
We saw Bloody and did not care for it. Thought it was juvenile. This is obviously better but still have no desire to see it.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 11:33am
The fly in the ointment, After Eight, is that lots of folks here and elsewhere were heralding the show long before the hype. When I saw it the first time, there was no hype. Sure your pathetic mindset means you need a scapegoat, but there isn't one. Don't hate the media for recognizing the reception of this show by the public; hate allthose people who have the temerity to disagree with you. But no, that would not look as good as finding a scapegoat to demagogue. BWW, you have found your Trump and its name is After Eight.
Posted: 1/19/16 at 12:01pm
All the thumbs: Up!
