Are They Signing At The Stage Door Of Hamilton ?- Page 2

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 5:26pm

hearthemsing22 said: "Yeah even if you’re outside and unmasked AND vaccinated, remember that vaccines aren’t 100%. There are variants. This is like saying they don’t care. There was a big musical festival…last weekend? The weekend before? And now there are people who have been exposed. So don’t say this is fine."

I am not saying it's fine or not, because that's for epidemiologists do. What we know from them is that no precaution is 100% but we have to learn to live with covid, just as we have learned to live with lots of other viruses. Did you avoid being unmasked and in crowds pre-covid when the TB vaccine wasn't 100%? What science tells us is that the risk of getting seriously ill from a breakthrough infection is tiny (way less than the risk of ending up in the hospital from crossing a street in the theatre district) so we deal. As I have said a million times before on this board, each of us has to assess our own risk aversion and deal accordingly. That may mean steering clear of these odious groups who go to stage doors (something I did and encouraged pre-covid for unrelated reasons) and it may mean wearing masks when you don't really need to. There are two concerns: the public one which is pretty well managed in NYC right now (much to dismay of the gross theatres that are suing the city to get vax mandates lifted), and the private one that each of us gets to regulate on our own whether that means wearing masks everywhere, staying away from people, staying home, etc. Or not. Whatever one decides, though, it is wise to understand the science before we decide what we are comfortable with. Science says I can go to outer space. No thanks. 

 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 5:33pm

KJisgroovy said: "Science does say it's almost impossible to catch COVID outdoors, even without masks, doing normal outdoor activities. However, standing close together and talking for more than 15 minutes (especially at night) does increase those very low risks significantly. I shouldn't worry so much probably. And just let people enjoy themselves. But guys. I WORRY!"

I get it but if someone literally SPITS on you in the street.....something has gone terribly wrong and you have worse problems than thinking about getting Covid outdoors. Chill..........   

Updated On: 9/18/21 at 05:33 PM

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 5:44pm

Sutton Ross said: "Because as Dr. Fauci said over a year ago, it's next to impossible to get Covid from someone outdoors. It's so ridiculously rare, it had to be discussed. Enclosed spaces is how people get this virus."

How many variants ago was that?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/outdoor-activities.html

Safer – Outdoor Activities

• Outside, at least 6 feet apart
• If you can’t stay at least 6 feet apart from people who don’t live with you, wear your mask

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/92343

"But CDC still warned that vaccinated people should keep their masks on in crowded outdoor settings, such as a parade or concert, and experts caution there are other scenarios where masking outdoors may still be a good idea -- because outdoor transmission isn't impossible."

"Marr said that it is reasonable to end outdoor mask mandates for fully vaccinated people, but certain situations may still call for it, such as close, face-to-face conversation or crowded places like a baseball game or long line, where it's hard to keep enough physical distance."

"Last fall, Bhaganagar and colleagues used meteorological models to determine how weather conditions affected SARS-CoV-2 transmission. They found that a combination of moderate air temperatures, low wind speed, and weak turbulence all increased the amount of time the virus can be airborne before it is dispersed.

"There is a lot of confusion in the community, stating that if we go outside, there is no way that the virus can affect us," Bhaganagar said in an interview. "It depends a lot on the local conditions."

Bourouiba said that wind is part of the reason that the outdoors is not as dangerous, in terms of viral particle accumulation, since strong wind dilutes and can more rapidly disperse the viral particles.

Still, if a wind current is blowing these particles directly into someone's face downstream, outdoors may not be safe either. Masks are necessary when multiple people are in proximity, outdoors or in well ventilated spaces, to reduce the range of the exhalation concentrated cloud, Bourouiba said.

While it's clear that outdoors provides better protection against infection, Bourouiba added that until a greater percentage of the population is vaccinated, keeping up with safety restrictions around others is critical.

"It's not the time to lower our guard," she said."

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 5:46pm

Jesus. I will never read that many paragraphs about it but you seem pretty paranoid. Good luck on the streets of New York. 

Updated On: 9/18/21 at 05:46 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 6:01pm

If you care about the health and safety of actors.
If you want there to be some sort of “normal” again.
If you want shows to stay open.
If you want actors to remain employed.

You won’t go to the stage door. That’s all I have to say. You don’t get to play with other people’s lives. Even if you’re outside, that’s a small indoor area near the stage door. It’s not life or death if you don’t get an autograph, photo or a sighting of the actors as they leave. A LOT of performers are on Cameo, you can find a majority of them on social media. Applaud their performances that way. I promise you’ll be okay if you don’t go to the barriers.
I felt perfectly fine at the theaters I went to recently. But I want those theaters to stay open, so I haven’t gone anywhere near the stage doors. Think about if there is a really popular performer whos known outside of the theater world (Hugh Jackman comes to mind). If everyone is waiting outside the theater, people passing by on the street might be curious about who people are waiting for. Those people may be unvaccinated. Do you want to expose yourself? Them? Be smart. That’s all.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 6:07pm

@snarker the people in the article are not epidemiologists. Their science is based on physics, not medicine. If the vaccinated person standing next to you for 15 minutes spits into your vaccinated mouth, what is the likelihood you will get covid from that person? And what is the likelihood that "getting" it will make you sick? What we know is that as of last week, .004 percent of vaccinated people in New York ended up in the hospital. And that's with the Delta variant in its full glory. We also know that very close to 100% of people living in the theatre-going neighborhoods in NYC are vaccinated. And we know that millions of us are walking around outdoors every day without masks and the number of cases in the city (overall, not just in the theatre-going hoods) is going down. Now that does not mean everyone has to be comfortable doing these things but there is no support for the notion that our outdoor behavior is causing a problem. No matter what a meteorologist might tell you. 

What we need to worry about is what's happening indoors and also making sure our precious actors are not exposed because that threatens our ability to have theatre. 

Updated On: 9/18/21 at 06:07 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:25pm

HogansHero said: "@snarker the people in the article are not epidemiologists. Their science is based on physics, not medicine. If the vaccinated person standing next to you for 15 minutes spits into your vaccinated mouth, what is the likelihood you will get covid from that person?And what is the likelihood that "getting" it will make you sick?What we know is that as of last week, .004 percent of vaccinated people in New York ended up in the hospital. And that's with the Delta variant in its full glory. We also know that very close to 100% of people living in the theatre-going neighborhoods in NYC are vaccinated. And we know that millions of us are walking around outdoors every day without masks and the number of cases in the city (overall, not just in the theatre-going hoods) is going down. Now that does not mean everyone has to be comfortable doing these things but there is no support for the notion that ouroutdoor behavior is causing a problem. No matter what a meteorologist might tell you.

What we need to worry about is what's happening indoors and also making sure our precious actors are not exposed because that threatens our ability to have theatre."

I don’t know about you, but also want others to stay safe and healthy, not just myself. I’m not selfish. Remember even with those numbers there are still people unvaccinated and people getting sick. Please care about others as well. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:43pm

I mean - yeah. Kinda…. I guess? But really at this point (and I don’t care what this makes me sound like) unless you have an actual medical reason or are a child unable to receive the vaccine - I don’t care about your well-being anymore. There’s a Duane Reade around the corner from the theatre where you can get vaxxed. And if you don’t like Duane Reade there’s a CVS a couple more blocks away. And if you ARE unvaxxed and going unmasked in a crowd of people (even if it’s outside), then you get whatever you’re gonna get. I’m not spending the rest of my life masked up outside to protect someone who doesn’t want to be protected.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:49pm

WORD

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:51pm

Jordan Catalano said: "I mean - yeah. Kinda…. I guess? But really at this point (and I don’t care what this makes me sound like) unless you have an actual medical reason or are a child unable to receive the vaccine - I don’t care about your well-being anymore. There’s a Duane Reade around the corner from the theatre where you can get vaxxed. And if you don’t like Duane Reade there’s a CVS a couple more blocks away. And if you ARE unvaxxed and going unmasked in a crowd of people (even if it’s outside), then you get whatever you’re gonna get. I’m not spending the rest of my life masked up outside to protect someone who doesn’t want to be protected. "

You don’t have to. That’s your choice. Then you accept the consequences of your choices. The OP asked if they were signing. I said my opinion as to why people should go home as opposed to waiting for the actors (just dont). That’s it. I apologized for what I said about Beetlejuice and I don’t want to start something else on this. Please respect my stance since I actually care about people (AKA THE ACTORS WHO WE WANT TO REMAIN EMPLOYED). 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:52pm

Huh?

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:56pm

hearthemsing22 said: "I don’t know about you, but also want others to stay safe and healthy, not just myself. I’m not selfish. Remember even with those numbers there are still people unvaccinated and people getting sick. Please care about others as well."

I do care about others, but part of caring about others is learning to live with something that's not going to disappear. Yes, a tiny number of vaccinated people are dying, but far fewer than other causes that I assume you are not "caring" about in the same way. The number of vaccinated people who are getting sick and dying is miniscule. At some point, we have to start treated the willingly unvaccinated like we treat smokers: make life as unpleasant as possible for them but let them kill themselves and each other. Sorry but no I do not care and that's not selfish of me: they are the selfish ones. Finally, I reiterate that the data on vaccinated people getting infected in outdoor areas in NYC, one of the densest places in the country, is that very very do, and virtually none of those get seriously ill. The people to be concerned about right now are the kids too young to get vaccinated and we need to focus every effort on getting those vaccines approved asap. Otherwise, while everyone gets to do for themselves as they feel comfortable, let's not substitute that comfort level for what epidemiology teaches us.

ETA: I am the last person on earth who would support the stage door nonsense, but it is what it is and this is the safest, sanest way to do it. What is the alternative you propose? To run these idiots off and have them chase actors down the street? 

And please stop saying you care as if no one else does. It's not only insulting, it's egocentrism and entitledness on steroids. PS What you are saying makes no sense. Instead of posting long ridiculous things, maybe sit down and write yourself an outline of what you are doing and why, how it relates to a reality beyond your own ego. Thanks. 

Updated On: 9/18/21 at 07:56 PM

[bway0]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 8:17pm

Jordan Catalano said: “I’m not spending the rest of my life masked up outside to protect someone who doesn’t want to be protected. "

^^^^
I got my second Moderna shot in March. I did my job. I hate the mask and will not wear it outside. I’m tired of being punished because of the actions of others. 

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 8:34pm

HogansHero said: "hearthemsing22 said: "I don’t know about you, but also want others to stay safe and healthy, not just myself. I’m not selfish. Remember even with those numbers there are still people unvaccinated and people getting sick. Please care about others as well."

I do care about others, but part of caring about others is learning to live with something that's not going to disappear. Yes, a tiny number of vaccinated people are dying, but far fewer than other causes that I assume you are not "caring" about in the same way. The number of vaccinated people who are getting sick and dying is miniscule. At some point, we have to start treated the willingly unvaccinated like we treat smokers: make life as unpleasant as possible for them but let them kill themselves and each other. Sorry but no I do not care and that's not selfish of me: they are the selfish ones. Finally, I reiterate that the data on vaccinated people getting infected in outdoor areas in NYC, one of the densest places in the country, is that very very do, and virtually none of those get seriously ill. The people to be concerned about right now are the kids too young to get vaccinated and we need to focus every effort on getting those vaccines approved asap. Otherwise, while everyone gets to do for themselves as they feel comfortable, let's not substitute that comfort level for what epidemiology teaches us.

ETA: I am the last person on earth who would support the stage door nonsense, but it is what it is and this is the safest, sanest way to do it. What is the alternative you propose? To run these idiots off and have them chase actors down the street?

And please stop saying you care as if no one else does. It's not only insulting, it's egocentrism and entitledness on steroids. PS What you are saying makes no sense. Instead of posting long ridiculous things, maybe sit down and write yourself an outline of what you are doing and why, how it relates to a reality beyond your own ego. Thanks."

Im writing the way I am because I’m frustrated with the situation. It doesn’t mean you can insult me and say what I’m saying doesn’t make sense, or that it’s ridiculous, or that it’s my own ego. My JOB right now is COVID related. Don’t you dare say I’m selfish or can’t see beyond my own ego. I’m not acting entitled in any way. Maybe you should consider what you say to people too. You can’t just say hurtful things and not think they impact people in some way. And spare me the “it only hurts you if you let it” bs. Words hurt. So please leave me alone. I’ve had enough from people mistreating me on these boards when I was just writing the way I did on this one because I’m frustrated with the situation. That’s ALL. Take a look at yourself and how you treat people. I don’t deserve this. 

[soulmistin]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 8:57pm

I know people don't know better, but this just irritates me massively. I work in a few different theaters (granted, not in the Richard Rodgers), and we've been instructed to have a PCR test every 72 hours to be allowed in the space, and to avoid using the stage door if possible, and if not possible to wait for all the other crew and cast to leave before we can to avoid contamination. This is on top of a vaccine card check every time we enter the space. 

My job is not a very important one, but even minor employees like me are held to extremely high standards to keep these shows open and safe. I know that fans don't necessarily think about that, but it feels like a slap in the face to everybody I work for who are trying so hard to make this all work.

Updated On: 9/18/21 at 08:57 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 9:02pm

soulmistin said: "I know people don't know better, but this just irritates me massively. I work in a few different theaters (granted, not in the Richard Rodgers), and we've been instructed to have a PCR test every 72 hours to be allowed in the space, and to avoid using the stage doorif possible, and if not possible to wait forallthe other crew and cast to leave before we can to avoid contamination. This is on top of a vaccine card check every time we enter the space.

My job is not a very important one, but even minor employees like me are held to extremely high standards to keep these shows open and safe. I know that fans don't necessarily think about that, but it feels like a slap in the face to everybody I work for who are tryingsohard to make this all work."

Don’t say that! Every person in the theater is important. And thank you for whatever you do there. As someone who aspires to work in the theater, whatever you do *is* important. :) And I completely agree with you. 

[soulmistin]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 9:15pm

hearthemsing22 said: "soulmistin said: "I know people don't know better, but this just irritates me massively. I work in a few different theaters (granted, not in the Richard Rodgers), and we've been instructed to have a PCR test every 72 hours to be allowed in the space, and to avoid using the stage doorif possible, and if not possible to wait forallthe other crew and cast to leave before we can to avoid contamination. This is on top of a vaccine card check every time we enter the space.

My job is not a very important one, but even minor employees like me are held to extremely high standards to keep these shows open and safe. I know that fans don't necessarily think about that, but it feels like a slap in the face to everybody I work for who are tryingsohard to make this all work."

Don’t say that! Every person in the theater is important. And thank you for whatever you do there. As someone who aspires to work in the theater, whatever you do *is* important. :) And I completely agree with you."

Well this made me grin, thank you so much! Though I can't emphasize how little a role I play in making it all happen, because I know some people on here have actual major careers in the theaters. Good luck finding work in theater! There's a shocking number of gateway jobs to get you in, and now is as great a time to start.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 11:17pm

So... COVID is going to be around forever. People need to come to grips with that and modify their own lives accordingly. And yes the variants are scary... in theory. But you have to understand what a virus' goal is. It's to survive. How does it survive? By becoming less deadly. That's the end goal here. Get your vaccines and get your yearly boosters or whatever the timetable ends up being, but know what the reality of the situation. Stop acting like like one day you're going to wake up and find that it's gone. Protect yourself. Advise your loved ones that they protect themselves. Wear a mask where it's crowded, but for the love of God Live your god damn life. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 11:42pm

Also - For those complaining about the groups of people at the stage door. I'm assuming all of those people are vaccinated since they'd just seen the show. At Shakespeare in the Park, vaccinated people are allowed to be unmasked. Are you mad at them? At Madison Square Garden (inside) vaccinated people are not required to wear masks. You gonna tell them that's not ok? The world is moving on and it's (sadly in a lot of cases) moving on without a lot of people in it who could have just gotten a simple shot. On my way home tonight I saw a couple being refused entry into a bar on 8th Ave and she was furious as they finally walked away. I think I even saw the end of an argument at the entry to "American Utopia" where I believe two women were turned away because they didn't have vaccine proof. This is the new normal and I'm happy to leave any and every body behind who doesn't want to join us in being safe.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 11:56pm

Jordan, I agree with what you're saying regarding those folks. However, because of their actions and behavior people like hostesses, bartenders, flight attendants, ushers, etc have now become bouncers and assault victims. Those are the people who get the brunt of abuse in many social situations. A woman was assaulted on the UWS by 3 horrible women from Texas because their vax cards were fake and she would not allow them in. My friend was verbally abused a week ago from (once again) tourists at a restaurant, saying they were "not aware" of the policy in "socialist New York", called her a bitch, the whole thing. 

The responsible, good people who just want to go to work and not worry about getting verbally or physically assaulted are the people I fear for the very most. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:00am

I live with a server who’s in the other room right now with a bottle of wine after the night he just had. I hear about this every single day now. My point was those people are going to have to live with this world they now are in and they have only two options. It’s unfortunately going to be like a two year old - they’ve got to have their temper tantrum and then when they’re done, they’ll go do what they need to do.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:01am

also also, there's this...

Don't Mess With Texas, UWS Edition

Some conservative politicians are starting to worry about challenges to the right to travel doctrine. 

I wonder why.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:03am

I’m so glad that trash was arrested.

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:04am

Does anyone on this thread actually know someone who was diagnosed with COVID? I’m beginning to think everyone thinks it’s something like a common cold which people say to protect yourself but oh it’s not that bad. Yes absolutely love your life. But live it so people are protected. You NEVER know how this will impact someone. Wear masks. Get the damn vaccine. Being selfless means taking the proper precautions that are required. Otherwise, stay home until mandates aren’t in place for things like indoor dining and theaters.

How can you say the unvaccinated are victims??? The people who are trying to STAY SAFE, protect themself and others like restaurant workers, others who work indoors that require a vaccine card or mask, they do NOT deserve to be yelled at, to be disrespected. They were out of work for so long. Do you really want them to potentially lose their job again because someone wouldn’t get a friggin jab in their arm? I have been vaccinated. I have a pre-existing medical condition. I was extremely tired the next day. It affects everyone differently, yes. But the people working at these places do NOT deserve verbal abuse. No. Not okay.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:05am

Jordan Catalano said: "I live with a server who’s in the other room right now with a bottle of wine after the night he just had. I hear about this every single day now. My point was those people are going to have to live with this world they now are in and they have only two options. It’s unfortunately going to be like a two year old - they’ve got to have their temper tantrum and then when they’re done, they’ll go do what they need to do."

They will go do what they need to do? Like assault a service worker? Hm. Okay. That shouldn't be an option, ever.