Are They Signing At The Stage Door Of Hamilton ?- Page 4

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 10:54am

Jordan Catalano said: "Neither is ideal? Not going outside to eat or inside to eat or stand outside or stand inside? For someone who says they’re not telling people not to live their lives, you sure do want people to not live their lives."

I never said people shouldn’t live their lives!! For everyone saying that I am, I’m NOT. I’d be a total hypocrite then because I haven’t been holed up at home-I’ve been out plenty of places. AGAIN, I was solely responding to the original question about stagedooring at Hamilton. Anyone who keeps asking me questions-maybe get a life? Maybe live that life you keep saying I don’t want people to live (I DO) but does your life revolve around stage dooring? Find something else to be excited about during a pandemic. THATS IT. 
 

FINALLY I am not telling people NOT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. I’m so sick of commenting here and then certain others taking it as a sign to take something I’ve said and twist it or bother me about it. For the love of God that’s not why I’m on here. Block me. Stop. Please. It’s enough. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 10:58am

No. And I’m not going to stop for the exact same reason Hogan listed above. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth and it makes zero sense.

[ArtMan]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:05am

hearthemsing22 said: "Does anyone on this thread actually know someone who was diagnosed with COVID? I’m beginning to think everyone thinks it’s something like a common cold which people say to protect yourself but oh it’s not that bad. Yes absolutely love your life. But live it so people are protected. You NEVER know how this will impact someone. Wear masks. Get the damn vaccine. Being selfless means taking the proper precautions that are required. Otherwise, stay home until mandates aren’t in place for things like indoor dining and theaters.

How can you say the unvaccinated are victims??? The people who are trying to STAY SAFE, protect themself and others like restaurant workers, others who work indoors that require a vaccine card or mask, they do NOT deserve to be yelled at, to be disrespected. They were out of work for so long. Do you really want them to potentially lose their job again because someone wouldn’t get a friggin jab in their arm? I have been vaccinated. I have a pre-existing medical condition. I was extremely tired the next day. It affects everyone differently, yes. But the people working at these places do NOT deserve verbal abuse. No. Not okay."

I know people who have gotten COVID and I know people who have been vaccinated and still got COVID.  (in my own family)  I have received three shots (due to kidney issues) and I still wear a mask everywhere I go.  I'm not protecting anyone else, I'm protecting myself.  Even when I was in Las Vegas in 108 temperature, three weeks ago, I wore the mask outside, because of the crowded street (Now that was uncomfortable).  Again, I could care less about anyone else, it was hopefully for my protection.

Updated On: 9/19/21 at 11:05 AM

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:13am

I don't know how the harm of standing outside to see performers exit is worse than, say, people going to Yankee stadium. 

Also, I'm someone who did have a breakthrough infection (probably due to being hospitalized with C diff and being amongst covid patients where I was staying) and it wasn't serious at all. I had the Delta headache, a sore throat, and was tired for a few days.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:16am

^Very glad you’re ok. <3

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:18am

ArtMan makes a good point. Those people on the sidewalk know their own physical and psychological health and can choose not only whether to stand there but also whether to wear a mask (which takes the risk from extremely remote to virtually non-existent if not unheard of). And hearthemsing22, sorry again, but you are being disingenuous when you say that you are not telling those people not to live their lives. That's exactly what you are doing. 

[poisonivy2]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:28am

Jordan Catalano said: "^Very glad you’re ok. <3"

Thank you! It was the c diff that made me think I was going to die.

One thing I do think is more unsafe in theater is the "wear mask unless you are eating and drinking." During intermission I saw a bunch of people with drinks and they just kept drinking in the second act and didn't put their masks back on.

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:35am

HogansHero said: "ArtMan makes a good point. Those people on the sidewalk know their own physical and psychological health and can choose not only whether to stand there but also whether to wear a mask (which takes the risk from extremely remote to virtually non-existent if not unheard of). And hearthemsing22, sorry again, but you are being disingenuous when you say that you are not telling those people not to live their lives. That's exactly what you are doing."

Um. How, exactly? I’m not saying they can’t go about life normally. I was saying what they should do at the stagedoor. Again, does ones life revolve around the stagedoor? Do you bother to read everything I write? Please stop. I am NOT saying that. Stop. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:44am

hearthemsing22 said: "

Fair question! Hmm. Neither situation is ideal, but the bar-there could be a choice where the restaurant has outdoor seating? You can control what happens at the restaurant a bit more than the stagedoor…you can say not to stay at the stagedoor but there will still be people who won’t listen…so…I’d say a stagedoor is worse"

Well #1, you're wrong. #2, If you're over here really Sophie's Choicing this then the best option for you is to not being going the Theatre AT ALL. All the congregation and risk of spread that will will arise inside the theatre is far bigger than what will arise from an hour outside at the stage door. Let's research. Please. Educate yourself.

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 11:53am

TheatreFan4 said: "hearthemsing22 said: "

Fair question! Hmm. Neither situation is ideal, but the bar-there could be a choice where the restaurant has outdoor seating? You can control what happens at the restaurant a bit more than the stagedoor…you can say not to stay at the stagedoor but there will still be people who won’t listen…so…I’d say a stagedoor is worse"

Well #1, you're wrong. #2, If you're over here really Sophie's Choicing this then the best option for you is to not being going the Theatre AT ALL. All the congregation and risk of spread that will will arise inside the theatre is far bigger than what will arise from an hour outside at the stage door. Let's research. Please. Educate yourself."

You know what? I answered the question the OP asked and now you’re using that as an opportunity to be a know it all, incredibly obnoxious and rude. And I truly don’t care what you think anymore because I’m not wrong, i have educated myself because of my job related to COVID, so just like-get a life. Stop using me as your verbal punching bag and learn some respect or to move on. Not difficult. It’s enough. Please for the love of GOD move on. 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:00pm

There are people in this thread who have stated they work in healthcare and actually know what they’re talking about. You’re asking people to “move on” when that’s the last thing people should do when misinformation is being spread. And enough with the “verbal punching bag” stuff. You’re not a victim, you’re not being “bullied”, you’re on a public forum where you chose to make statements and everyone else is choosing to question them. You are a victim of absolutely nothing, no matter how badly you would like to be right now.

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:03pm

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:04pm

hearthemsing22 said:
You know what? I answered the question the OP asked and now you’re using that as an opportunity to be a know it all, incredibly obnoxious and rude. And I truly don’t care what you think anymore because I’m not wrong, i have educated myself because of my job related to COVID, so just like-get a life. Stop using me as your verbal punching bag and learn some respect or to move on. Not difficult. It’s enough. Please for the love of GOD move on."

So... you're saying that drinking at a bar among the masses you don't know is worse for risk of COVID Spread... than standing outside in the open air? Now, can you answer the question that if you think waiting at the Stage Door is such a risk of COVID Spread that you're comfortable with Theatres being open at all? Or Restaurants? Movie Theatres? Literally anything that has a higher risk of transmission?

You said you've done your research, then provide that research.

Like Jordan said, you're spreading misinformation. 

Updated On: 9/19/21 at 12:04 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:05pm

Jordan Catalano said: "There are people in this thread who have stated they work in healthcare and actually know what they’re talking about. You’re asking people to “move on” when that’s the last thing people should do when misinformation is being spread. And enough with the “verbal punching bag” stuff. You’re not a victim, you’re not being “bullied”, you’re on a public forum where you chose to make statements and everyone else is choosing to question them. You are a victim of absolutely nothing, no matter how badly you would like to be right now. "

And I also work at a job where I am constantly learning about COVID and educating others about it. If I’m not a victim, then why can’t you speak respectfully to me or just leave me alone? I’ve repeatedly stated-over and over-what my intention on this thread was, and a lot of people took that as a sign to berate me…say rude things…just don’t comment after me. That’s it. It’s simple. Oh wait or is it difficult for you? Does there always have to be drama? No. There doesn’t. I said my piece, and I wanted to move on. Simple. You can’t say people have respected me though. That’d be laughable. It doesn’t matter what kind of forum it is-that doesn’t excuse rude comments. So please stop. I am asking politely. Thank you. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:07pm

hearthemsing22 said: "And I also work at a job where I am constantly learning about COVID and educating others about it. If I’m not a victim, then why can’t you speak respectfully to me or just leave me alone? I’ve repeatedly stated-over and over-what my intention on this thread was, and a lot of people took that as a sign to berate me…say rude things…just don’t comment after me. That’s it. It’s simple. Oh wait or is it difficult for you? Does there always have to be drama? No. There doesn’t. I said my piece, and I wanted to move on. Simple. You can’t say people have respected me though. That’d be laughable. It doesn’t matter what kind of forum it is-that doesn’t excuse rude comments. So please stop. I am asking politely. Thank you."

Then it's very distressing that you're here spreading misinformation. You should know better. You're free to walk away from the conversation just as you're insisting everybody else do and yet here you are!

 

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:10pm

TheatreFan4 said: "hearthemsing22 said:
You know what? I answered the question the OP asked and now you’re using that as an opportunity to be a know it all, incredibly obnoxious and rude. And I truly don’t care what you think anymore because I’m not wrong, i have educated myself because of my job related to COVID, so just like-get a life. Stop using me as your verbal punching bag and learn some respect or to move on. Not difficult. It’s enough. Please for the love of GOD move on."

So... you're saying that drinking at a bar among the masses you don't know is worse for risk of COVID Spread... than standing outside in the open air? Now, can you answer the question that if you think waiting at the Stage Door is such a risk of COVID Spread that you're comfortable with Theatres being open at all? Or Restaurants? Movie Theatres? Literally anything that has a higher risk of transmission?

You said you've done your research, then provide that research.

Like Jordan said, you're spreading misinformation."

I’m not, and I don’t owe you anything for taking advantage of a board to say whatever you want (even hurtful comments to someone who said they were done with this convo and has said numerous times that they only meant to answer the OPs question). If you can’t focus on other posts on this board that’s on you. Also- I wasn’t saying FACTS, I was saying my opinion. Two different things. You know that, right? I think the only facts I said was that COVID is still very real, that there are variants, that people can still get COVID even if they’re masked and vaccinated as it is not 100%. Other than that…where did I spread misinformation? Like you’re doing any better? It’s enough. Please. Please. Stop. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:23pm

hearthemsing22 said: "TYou know that, right? I think the only facts I said was that COVID is still very real, that there are variants, that people can still get COVID even if they’re masked and vaccinated as it is not 100%. Other than that…where did I spread misinformation? Like you’re doing any better? It’s enough. Please. Please. Stop."

When you painted waiting at the stage door as a worse prospect for COVID Transmission than going to a bar when it's far safer than literally ANYTHING else you could be doing because it's outside. It's a hell of a lot safer than the 2.5 hours you just spent locked in a theatre with 1500 people who are sometimes wearing masks. So if you feel like there is an issue with people just standing around on street then you're just basically telling people they shouldn't be on the street. Because that's what stage dooring entails right now. Just standing around. If you are at show or a restaurant or any other event you've really got no leg to stand on. Do you know where COVID Spreads? Private functions. Home gatherings. Not standing on the street.

I'm being honest and realistic. Unlike your arbitrary and incorrect lines about what you think would be okay or not.

Updated On: 9/19/21 at 12:23 PM

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:32pm

TheatreFan4 said: "hearthemsing22 said: "TYou know that, right? I think the only facts I said was that COVID is still very real, that there are variants, that people can still get COVID even if they’re masked and vaccinated as it is not 100%. Other than that…where did I spread misinformation? Like you’re doing any better? It’s enough. Please. Please. Stop."

When you painted waiting at the stage door as a worse prospect for COVID Transmission than going to a bar when it's far safer than literally ANYTHING else you could be doing because it's outside. It's a hell of a lot safer than the 2.5 hours you just spent locked in a theatre with 1500 people who are sometimes wearing masks. So if you feel like there is an issue with people just standing around on street then you're just basically telling people they shouldn't be on the street. Because that's what stage dooring entails right now. Just standing around. If you are at show or a restaurant or any other event you've really got no leg to stand on. Do you know where COVID Spreads? Private functions. Home gatherings. Not standing on the street.

Actually, COVID can be spread (according to what I’ve learned from work) if you’re within six feet of another person for ten minutes or more, whether or not they’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. Where did you get your information? I do have a leg to stand on, thanks. 

I'm being honest and realistic. Unlike your arbitrary and incorrect lines about what you think would be okay or not."

My stance because of what I’ve learned from work is arbitrary and incorrect. Oh, so like yours is better? More accurate? One more time, because you clearly prefer provoking me over just stopping and moving on, I was responding to the OPs question. I don’t think people should be stage dooring right now. That’s my final word. Stop putting down everything I say. 

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:48pm

hearthemsing22 said: "Um. How, exactly? I’m not saying they can’t go about life normally. I was saying what they should do at the stagedoor. Again, does ones life revolve around the stagedoor? Do you bother to read everything I write? Please stop. I am NOT saying that. Stop."

Ok. I didn't think I'd have to explain this but:

Your original "answer": Posted: 9/18/21 at 8:29am "They’re not. But that won’t stop people from waiting outside for even a glimpse of the performers. Ugh. COVID is still a real thing!! Don’t they want the shows to stay open?? One show on the West End has closed until Monday due to a cast diagnosis. Please don’t stage door. I promise people will live if they don’t."

Everything after the first (2 word) sentence is telling people what to do. [The fact that no one was or is "stage dooring" didn't slow you down. Non sequitur #1. 

Then: Posted: 9/18/21 at 1:27pm "They shouldn’t be there anyway…look how many people are next to each other unmasked. Not smart. They should just go home."

[Skipping some]

Posted: 9/18/21 at 6:01pm
"If you care about the health and safety of actors.
If you want there to be some sort of “normal” again.
If you want shows to stay open.
If you want actors to remain employed.

You won’t go to the stage door. That’s all I have to say. You don’t get to play with other people’s lives. Even if you’re outside, that’s a small indoor area near the stage door. It’s not life or death if you don’t get an autograph, photo or a sighting of the actors as they leave. A LOT of performers are on Cameo, you can find a majority of them on social media. Applaud their performances that way. I promise you’ll be okay if you don’t go to the barriers.
I felt perfectly fine at the theaters I went to recently. But I want those theaters to stay open, so I haven’t gone anywhere near the stage doors. Think about if there is a really popular performer whos known outside of the theater world (Hugh Jackman comes to mind). If everyone is waiting outside the theater, people passing by on the street might be curious about who people are waiting for. Those people may be unvaccinated. Do you want to expose yourself? Them? Be smart. That’s all."

Followed by: Posted: 9/18/21 at 7:25pm "I don’t know about you, but also want others to stay safe and healthy, not just myself. I’m not selfish. Remember even with those numbers there are still people unvaccinated and people getting sick. Please care about others as well."

[skipping over a bunch including the one in which you preposterously suggested people here had no experience with covid (this after you insulted everyone for not caring and being selfish lol)]

Then (in a post I would invite you to spot the irony in {you didn't} at 9/19/21 at 9:32am "For the hundredth time, I’m not telling people not to live their lives. Please show me where I said that. Otherwise don’t put words in my mouth. The OP asked a question-I answered it. I think people should just go home after the show. That’s it. "

Followed by a lot of give and take with Jordan and others in which you outdid yourself in non-sequiturs and multiple posts in which you do your best (if failed) Greta Garbo I vant to be (left) alone imitation and, oh, also start a separate shtick about people not reading what you wrote when, as my gargantuan effort above manifestly demonstrates, it is you who has not read what either you or anyone else has written. That's not for lack of suggestion, but of course you took offense at that lol/ 

All of this, of course, is window dressing. The takeaway from this trainwreck of a thread is that standing outdoors on the street and gawking at actors is not high risk activity that needs to be avoided from a pubic health standpoint, and that the concern that leads to the prohibition of stage door signings etc is fully addressed by what is being done, consistent, I might add, with the well considered advice of distinguished epidemiologists. Now why don't you consider bring this thread to a close by owning your posts, acknowledging the misinformation you have been posted, and taking a deep and satisfying breath.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:48pm

Sidebar, people really need to start learning to trim down what they're quoting instead of including the last 3 posts in their quote.

 

hearthemsing22 said: "Actually, COVID can be spread (according to what I’ve learned from work) if you’re within six feet of another person for ten minutes or more, whether or not they’re vaccinated or wearing a mask. Where did you get your information? I do have a leg to stand on, thanks.

Actual studies.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/4/550/6009483

Then don't inside anywhere. You're going to be closer than 6 feet. For longer than 10 minutes. With Variable mask usage.

My stance because of what I’ve learned from work is arbitrary and incorrect. Oh, so like yours is better? More accurate? One more time, because you clearly prefer provoking me over just stopping and moving on, I was responding to the OPs question. I don’t think people should be stage dooring right now. That’s my final word. Stop putting down everything I say.

Because what you're speaking out against is LITERALLY just standing on the street. After spending 2.5 hours together inside. It's a little hypocritical. "Yeah, you can all enjoy the show but DO NOT congregate outside the theatre afterward because you may spread COVID." sounds a little silly, no?

 

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 12:59pm

One more time, because you clearly prefer provoking me over just stopping and moving on, I was responding to the OPs question. 

Hearthemsing, I appreciate your opinion. And I think you did answer the original post's questions several times, They are understood and noted. 

 

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 2:04pm

Sutton Ross said: "One more time, because you clearly prefer provoking me over just stopping and moving on, I was responding to the OPs question.

Hearthemsing, I appreciate your opinion. And I think you did answer the original post's questions several times, They are understood and noted.

"

Then what is your problem?? Why do you keep bringing up other things I said? You keep dragging it out, bringing up quotes of other things I said, calling my stance arbitrary, or stupid, or hypocritical, or ridiculous, implying my work is stupid or not accurate? Then maybe you should reach out to people I work with and tell them we’re wrong so we can do it correctly according to how you-someone I’m guessing doesn’t work in health care or in anything COVID related?- can give your “correct” information. Stop invalidating what I’m saying. You make me feel like ****. And yes you can help it by not responding anymore. Please, please stop. You say it’s noted and understood, then can you tell everyone else blasting me to STOP? Please. I don’t deserve this. I’m not a victim but you and others sure aren’t treating me with respect or anything. Can we just stop????  Please. 

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 2:07pm

Also to the people who say I’m spreading misinformation-I was saying my opinion based on what I’ve learned. Stop saying that I’m doing that when you’re not doing anything better. Stop. Please. It’s enough. If you can’t move on now maybe you need to take a step back from this thread. Im not spreading misinformation. Where did y’all get your medical training? Your information on viruses? On COVID? I never claimed to be an expert in anything, just that my work is COVID related so I do have information. So then are you telling me my job is giving me the wrong information? Take that up with the state of New York and leave me alone. It’s over. Thanks.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 2:22pm

Soooo.....everyone else should stop even as you are the one to keep things going.

When this many people yell you that you've erred, maybe you need to step back and consider what's being said.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/19/21 at 2:29pm

hearthemsing22 said: "Also to the people who say I’m spreading misinformation-I was saying my opinion based on what I’ve learned. Stop saying that I’m doing that when you’re not doing anything better. Stop. Please. It’s enough. If you can’t move on now maybe you need to take a step back from this thread. Im not spreading misinformation. Where did y’all get your medical training? Your information on viruses? On COVID? I never claimed to be an expert in anything, just that my work is COVID related so I do have information. So then are you telling me my job is giving me the wrong information? Take that up with the state of New York and leave me alone. It’s over. Thanks. "

Last I heard New York State says you can walk around outside without a mask and actually are safe to do so...