#4
Posted: 7/15/06 at 10:31am
I saw all three of these - and I'm astonished at that thought. Each is indelible. They were all different and great - kind of like comparing Secretariat, Man of War and Seabiscuit. Who did I have the most visceral emotional connection with? Cerveris. And I think it was a combination of the performance and production and sitting in the second row at the O'Neill instead of wayyyyy back in the Uris.
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#5
Posted: 7/15/06 at 11:18am
I love the haunted Sweeney that Michael Cerveris creates. It makes you pity him more than other, more enraged and upset Sweeneys in the past. It comes out to me more than ever in this production that Sweeney Todd is not the real villian of the show.
"Are you sorry for civilization? I am sorry for it too." ~Coast of Utopia: Shipwreck
#6
Posted: 7/15/06 at 11:42am
Cariou acted the role tremendously. Hearn sang the role tremendously. However, the one that combined the two of those things and did it best was Michael Cerveris.
#8
Posted: 7/15/06 at 12:06pm
Totally agree with jv92. I am more picky when it comes to singing because it is 'musical' theatre after all. So I think my favorite performance was George Hearn. But Cerveris and Cariou were quite excellent too. Side note: Cariou is from my hometown! Wooot!
#9
Posted: 7/15/06 at 12:14pm
Cerveris annoyed me!
I thought he whined his way through the role, and I've never been a fan of his voice.
I've always thought it was too whiny.
I'm obviously too young to have seen Cariou, but he's my favorite, on record.
I always felt Hearn was TOO much of a singer. But I just really like Cariou's voice. There's something so vulnerable about it, and when he says "Alright!" in Epiphany, it makes me swoon.
Creepy, I know.
I thought he whined his way through the role, and I've never been a fan of his voice.
I've always thought it was too whiny.
I'm obviously too young to have seen Cariou, but he's my favorite, on record.
I always felt Hearn was TOO much of a singer. But I just really like Cariou's voice. There's something so vulnerable about it, and when he says "Alright!" in Epiphany, it makes me swoon.
Creepy, I know.
Personally, I think I have too much bloom.
#11
Posted: 7/15/06 at 12:53pm
I don't think it's possible for most of us to pick a best Sweeney, since a lot of us haven't seen Len.
Those that did see Cariou will without a doubt tell you he was the best Sweeney, and his performance remains unmatced.
Those that did see Cariou will without a doubt tell you he was the best Sweeney, and his performance remains unmatced.
#12
Posted: 7/15/06 at 12:57pm
"Those that did see Cariou will without a doubt tell you he was the best Sweeney, and his performance remains unmatced."
Oh come ON; you can't possibly know a thing like that. You have not seen Cariou, nor do you know that EVERYONE who saw him would think that. What an absurd comment.
Anyway, I think if I had seen Cariou, he'd be my favorite. I like his interpretation from what I can gather on the OCR. However, since I haven't seen him, I can't really comment. Out of Hearn and Cerveris...Hearn by miles and miles and miles. I love Michael Cerveris, but he was all wrong as Sweeney for me. His voice seems to be more tenor than that booming baritone that the score calls for as well. Very disappointing, because I was expecting great things from him in thsi role.
Oh come ON; you can't possibly know a thing like that. You have not seen Cariou, nor do you know that EVERYONE who saw him would think that. What an absurd comment.
Anyway, I think if I had seen Cariou, he'd be my favorite. I like his interpretation from what I can gather on the OCR. However, since I haven't seen him, I can't really comment. Out of Hearn and Cerveris...Hearn by miles and miles and miles. I love Michael Cerveris, but he was all wrong as Sweeney for me. His voice seems to be more tenor than that booming baritone that the score calls for as well. Very disappointing, because I was expecting great things from him in thsi role.
#13
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:00pm
Broadwaygirl, where are you living? There was a threads a long time ago where all the people that saw Len were discussing his performance, and all agreed he was UNBELIEVABLE and his performance has not been topped.
Absurd it's not. Based on pure fact from those who have seen him on this board.
And why must people insist Cerveris is a tenor? If anything he's a higher baritone. A typical tenor could NOT sing as low as Cerveris. He has a very rich lower range.
Absurd it's not. Based on pure fact from those who have seen him on this board.
And why must people insist Cerveris is a tenor? If anything he's a higher baritone. A typical tenor could NOT sing as low as Cerveris. He has a very rich lower range.
Updated On: 7/15/06 at 01:00 PM
#14
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:06pm
Hearn was my first Sweeney and I think he'll always be my favorite.
"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
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#15
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:10pm
Len Cariou was certainly the best Sweeney Todd. In every way. George Hearn, as much as I like him otherwise, was either directed to make the role more comical and less threatening or he chose to do that himself. Cerveris sounds like he's having trouble singing the score.
#16
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:11pm
I really like Len's interpretation from what I could gtaher on the OCR. He is probably my favorite, followed by Michael Cerveris. George Hearn sang the role well, but he was always yelling his lines. I like Sweeneys that are more quiet in their rage, that is, until Ephiphany.
I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.
#17
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:13pm
"And why must people insist Cerveris is a tenor? If anything he's a higher baritone. A typical tenor could NOT sing as low as Cerveris. He has a very rich lower range."
Because many people know that voice parts are determined not only by a person's range, but by the timbre of their voices, and the timbre of Cerveris' voice is more like that of a tenor.
"Absurd it's not. Based on pure fact from those who have seen him on this board."
But if you looked earlier in this thread, someone who saw Cariou seemed to enjoy Cerveris' performance the best.
You have a remarkable way of determining "facts" based on a rather small portion of the population's opinion. It's a little scary.
Because many people know that voice parts are determined not only by a person's range, but by the timbre of their voices, and the timbre of Cerveris' voice is more like that of a tenor.
"Absurd it's not. Based on pure fact from those who have seen him on this board."
But if you looked earlier in this thread, someone who saw Cariou seemed to enjoy Cerveris' performance the best.
You have a remarkable way of determining "facts" based on a rather small portion of the population's opinion. It's a little scary.
#18
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:22pm
If I had seen Cariou, he would most definitely be my answer, but I'd have to say Hearn of all the material I have seen. Followed lastly by Cerveris, who completely failed to do it for me. Just did not feel right with him in the role
#19
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:33pm
OF all the ones I have heard/seen . . . . George Hern, hands down (or razors up for the ocassion).
"They're eating her and then they're going to eat me. OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!" -Troll 2
#20
Posted: 7/15/06 at 1:49pm
Because many people know that voice parts are determined not only by a person's range, but by the timbre of their voices, and the timbre of Cerveris' voice is more like that of a tenor.
- No it's not. I'm a baritone, I know what to listen for, and his voice has a deep tone. I'm not saying he's a bass. He's a higher baritone. He just doesn't have "thick" tone, say like Hearn. His voice is a little thinner, but it still has a real baritone quality. He's a baritone with range, so it's best to just call him a bari-tenor.
So keep making it sound like you know everything about the male voice. Considering you're not a male. Or some proclaimed vocal teacher.
- No it's not. I'm a baritone, I know what to listen for, and his voice has a deep tone. I'm not saying he's a bass. He's a higher baritone. He just doesn't have "thick" tone, say like Hearn. His voice is a little thinner, but it still has a real baritone quality. He's a baritone with range, so it's best to just call him a bari-tenor.
So keep making it sound like you know everything about the male voice. Considering you're not a male. Or some proclaimed vocal teacher.
Updated On: 7/15/06 at 01:49 PM
#21
Posted: 7/15/06 at 2:08pm
I think that if I *had* to categorize Michael's voice, it would be as a tenor, but like Anthony Warlow, he's kinda superhuman in the fact that his voice range is huge. Although I do stand by my previous statement that Sweeney Todd is too low for him! He could hit those notes, but he simply sounded uncomfortable.
I've heard how Len Cariou's performance was legendary, and that he acted the role brilliantly. However, on the OBC, I'm not in favor of his scratchy voice. I do prefer the role to be sung more operatically, so I'm gonna have to go with George Hearn.
I've heard how Len Cariou's performance was legendary, and that he acted the role brilliantly. However, on the OBC, I'm not in favor of his scratchy voice. I do prefer the role to be sung more operatically, so I'm gonna have to go with George Hearn.
#22
Posted: 7/15/06 at 2:10pm
P.S.: "Typing" a voice can be a little arbitrary sometimes, but really it's a combination of both timber AND range. But some people really are in the middle, hence "baritenor," which I think is a pretty useful term. Okay, let's just call Michael a baritenor.
#23
Posted: 7/15/06 at 2:12pm
No one I've seen has come close to Cariou. The only performance I've seen that has fully encompassed both the tragedy and the comedy in the role.
If I had to choose a second best, it would probably be Quilley in the first London production, based on the considerable evidence of his performance that's out there, including all the excerpts in that BBC "Making of Sweeney Todd special..
Other Sweeneys I've seen in major productions, I'm sorry, have just been miles behind.
Having said that, I do have to disagree with ljay: There are definitely people who saw Cariou and preferred Hearn (or someone else). I've heard (though this is purely hearsay) that Sondheim preferred Hearn, even though the role was written with Cariou in mind.
But Sondheim's taste in performers often strikes me as questionable.
Anyway, though I didn't like Hearn's performance, I prefer him to Gunton, Nolen, Mitchell, and Delavan. I don't even know what I think of Cerveris as Sweeney because I kind of feel that he's not in a production of Sweeney Todd. What he's in does have its interesting moments, but (for me) it's not really a production of Sweeney. I know that plenty of others disagree and I wouldn't even want to argue about it. I'm glad that people love it, but for me it was a moderately interesting show that used the text of Sweeney Todd (or at least most of it) rather than a production of the show. And I can't even really explain what I mean by that. Well, maybe I could but it would take a lot more words than I feel like writing.
If I had to choose a second best, it would probably be Quilley in the first London production, based on the considerable evidence of his performance that's out there, including all the excerpts in that BBC "Making of Sweeney Todd special..
Other Sweeneys I've seen in major productions, I'm sorry, have just been miles behind.
Having said that, I do have to disagree with ljay: There are definitely people who saw Cariou and preferred Hearn (or someone else). I've heard (though this is purely hearsay) that Sondheim preferred Hearn, even though the role was written with Cariou in mind.
But Sondheim's taste in performers often strikes me as questionable.
Anyway, though I didn't like Hearn's performance, I prefer him to Gunton, Nolen, Mitchell, and Delavan. I don't even know what I think of Cerveris as Sweeney because I kind of feel that he's not in a production of Sweeney Todd. What he's in does have its interesting moments, but (for me) it's not really a production of Sweeney. I know that plenty of others disagree and I wouldn't even want to argue about it. I'm glad that people love it, but for me it was a moderately interesting show that used the text of Sweeney Todd (or at least most of it) rather than a production of the show. And I can't even really explain what I mean by that. Well, maybe I could but it would take a lot more words than I feel like writing.
Updated On: 7/15/06 at 02:12 PM
#24
Posted: 7/16/06 at 3:04am
Distinctiv Baritone, I agree with your assessment of Cerveris' voice. The timbre is very similar to that of a tenor, and although he has those low notes, I agree that he just didn't seem to fit vocally. His "Epiphany," was unfortunately terribly pitchy to the point where it was almost unbearable. Just...the wrong voice type, Ithink, no matter how picky we get with arbitrary terms.
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