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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

While it seems the increasing line up of bio jukebox musical have come to Broadway. A large number of them recently have failed or not lived up to hopes. Do you think producers should take a break from them? Do you have any that you think would work better? Any catalogues that would be better served in the realms of mamma Mia or moulin rouge?


myself, I would like to see a Dolly Parton bio-musical and that’s about it I know Celine dions team has been working with a former cirque creative on something but I don’t know what

personally I think the chances of building a more successful show with jukebox song are by going the mamma Mia type route I would love to see Celine’s catalogue in something like that. As well I think Garth Brooks, Shania Twain, Madonna, Elton John, Eagles, all have catalogues that would lend themselves to something



#2

Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

I would love it if there was a 10 year break from these juke box musicals but that is not going to happen. Producers will not take a break from them because they feel these shows already have a built-in audience who will love the music and buy tickets. Put me in the camp of hearing more original music and stories on Broadway. It seems to me Broadway is looking more like a series of "tribute band" concerts than actual theater (just teasing). Yes, some of the jukebox musicals are very good (Jersey Boys, Carole King) but do we need one for every pop star in recent memory. If you are going to use these jukebox songs I agree with you it might be better to do the "Mama Mia" route.

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

Be done with them, until someone figures out how to break the mold and do it in a more artistically compelling way.


Take the non-biographical jukebox musicals, for example: they still face dramaturgical challenges when trying to insert existing songs into an unrelated story. But there’s WAY more freedom for the artists to do something interesting. As a result, the batting average for quality is much higher than with the biographical ones. I’ve seen enough good examples that I don’t feel compelled to say “stop doing them.”

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

My biggest issue is so much popular music is too ruminative for Broadway. Jersey Boys also worked cause there is a theatricality to the Four Seasons. It felt authentic to them. The “broadway styled” versions of pop songs always comes off too big. The phrase “I rather just listen to the original always comes to mind.”


I don’t think producers are gonna seem the trend of them as guaranteed hits forever.

Without a doubt they want another Hamilton to happen. The cross appeal that has this insane following for people even off the broadway circuit. That’s really what they are circling.

I think in some ways Hadestown is closer to that camp but it’s still not the runaway hit of Hamilton.

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

^I'm a little confused by some of your wording.


rattleNwoolypenguin said: "I don’t think producers are gonna seem the trend of them as guaranteed hits forever."


Do you have a typo in here, or am I going crazy? I can't tell if you're saying producers think they ARE guaranteed hits, or if they trust in them as hits will run out.

"Without a doubt they want another Hamilton to happen. The cross appeal that has this insane following for people even off the broadway circuit. That’s really what they are circling. I think in some ways Hadestown is closer to that camp but it’s still not the runaway hit of Hamilton."


I'm a bit confused by this part of your point too. What do Hamilton and Hadestown have to do with bio-jukebox musicals? Are you saying that the trend is moving toward more original pop-style shows like those? Or that it SHOULD be moving toward those, or something else?

Sorry, I'm genuinely not trying to be snarky - it sounds like you have an interesting point, and I'm honestly just trying to decipher it. Maybe I shouldn't have skipped my coffee this morning lol.

Updated On: 1/23/22 at 11:12 AM

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

I think they should continue on, but with the right subjects. Trying to do a bio-musical on someone with a 30, 40, 50 year career in 2 hours or less isn't going to do the justice the artist or their career deserves (I'm thinking of 'Summer'  Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?.

This is why (in another thread) I had suggested a jukebox musical on Cass Elliott. She started out in the early 60s wanting to be a Broadway actress (she auditioned for 'Wholesale' along with Streisand), joined the Mamas and the Papas instead, went solo by the early 70s and had a tragic end in 1974. Her music and her talent was extraordinary; to cover her 15 year career cut short at the age of 31. That would be an interesting story, with great music, and just enough to fill two hours.

Updated On: 1/23/22 at 12:05 PM

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

I've made peace with the idea of jukebox musicals. Bring them on, why not? They're making jobs for talented people and keep the industry floating. It's great!

For me personally, I just don't see them as the same art form anymore. They're tribute concerts with a story. There are concerts playing everyday everywhere. I don't mind them, I just don't care much. Seeing their marquees, to me is just like, oh I didn't know Black Eyed Peas is in town, good for them, and then instantly forget. Every once in a while, when a jukebox musical is about an artist I like, I might think about going. Just like what I do with normal concerts. It has nothing to do with artistic evaluation. I'm sure there are great ones and garbages. It's just not an art form I care about. Like I don't see ballets, but I'm sure there are great ones, I just don't care and wish them good!

On the off chance that anyone gets offended by the "tribute concerts with a story" part, I can rephrase it. They are legit musical theatre for sure. Under the musical theatre umbrella, there are jukebox musicals and original musicals. What I'm saying is that I'm not a "musical theatre fan" anymore, I'm just an "original musical fan". No disrespect to jukebox musicals and its fans, you're great, I applaud you and wish you well, just like I have no disrespect to any other art forms I don't care about.

Edited to add the last paragraph.

Updated On: 1/23/22 at 12:20 PM

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

The magic of the ABBA catalogue is that the lyrics have some specificity but not enough to force awkward compromises to make the songs fit. You don't just have a bunch of love songs but you also don't have to name a character Rhonda or just rely on the songs to set a mood while ignoring all the lyrics.

I wouldn't count any musician biopics among my favorite movies but I don't know why they generally seem better than what ends up on stage. Maybe it's that "tribute concerts with a story" force a kind of entertainment value that fights against dramatizing personal tragedies.

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

As far as bio-jukeboxes go, I find the ones about music groups much more interesting than those about solo (or even duo) artists. Jersey Boys still remains the gold standard, but I thought Motown was fairly well done too (Ain't Too Proud was alright but seemed to lack focus for me). Especially when the focus is a female artist, I inevitably find that one half seems to focus on their always-troubled romantic relationships while the other half of the show focuses on their career and I always enjoy the latter better (I liked the first act of Beautiful and second acts of Tina and Cher Show much better).

But I think what Jersey Boys did well was it allowed the interplay between the four original members to come through, including some contradictions between their stories and it was able to cleverly chart the rise and fall of the band and each member's personal lives through the seasons. The most interesting part of Ain't Too Proud was when they had a small discussion on what it meant for a popular black group to be playing in a predominantly white neighborhood, but the rest of the show didn't really explore that as much as I wanted it to.

So i feel there are definitely interesting stories to be told, but I just don't think most book writers have been able to crack the code of how to tell them theatrically in a Broadway show. I'd be curious to see possible stage versions of Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody after the relative successes of those movies though.

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

I'd be interested in a bio-musical of Michael Bennett - it would be the choreography catalog rather than a song catalog - and the rights acquisition could be a daunting task, although Fosse! managed it as a revue, as did Jerome Robbins' Broadway (although I recall reading Jerome Robbins' Broadway was not a financial success).

We had Fosse/Verdon as a TV series. But Bennett's life has plenty of drama as well.

And if there has been an attempt (other than the A Class Act about Kleban), please let me know!

Updated On: 1/23/22 at 10:25 PM

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

They have about about 25 jukebox bio-musicals since 2000, and I believe only the following turned a profit on Broadway. That's about 28%, which is about the same as Broadway's average track record of recoupment.

Jersey Boys

Ain't Too Proud

Motown

Rock of Ages

Boy From Oz

Movin' Out

Beautiful

(not counting Mamma Mia)

and there may be some others that eventually recouped on tour and have done well with licensing, such as Million Dollar Quartet.

The success of films like BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY also encourages estates to push for a bio-musical.

As long as there are catalogues, there will be bio-musicals.

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Bio-jukebox musicals- take a break or continue on?

chrishuyen said: "Especially when the focus is a female artist, I inevitably find that one half seems to focus on their always-troubled romantic relationships while the other half of the show focuses on their career and I always enjoy the latter better (I liked the first act of Beautiful and second acts of Tina and Cher Show much better)."

Wait... are all of these shows Bombshell?

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