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#26

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Mark I love ya but I'd very very much argue that any of those changes made for a better album (ok maybe the ending of the Broadway baby montage).

And yeah the Loveland part is quite different than originally written
#27

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I have in my hands Toni Lamond's second autobio, Still a Gypsy. She lists the cast of that one-night-only, Tony Sheldon-directed FOLLIES but not the roles:

Maggie Fitzgibbon
Jill Perryman
June Salter
Sheila Bradley
Glenda Raymond
Margaret Haggard (replacing an ill Geraldine Morrow)
Nancy Hayes
Leonie Page
Maree Johnston
Sally Clark
Toni Lamond

Reg Livermore
Peter Adams
Lewis Fiander
Jeff Warren
Freddie Parslow
Tony Taylor
Craig Ilott
Tim Rogers

Ross Coleman choreographed and Brian Stacey conducted the Melbourne Symphony.

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#28

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You have to understand how EXCITING it was get the FOLLIES IN CONCERT Lp when it came out.

I had been a fan of the score since first hearing the OCR on the radio Jan 2, 1972. A few months later FOLLIES was a big winner at the Tony awards although they didn't do any songs from it. I still had no idea what the plot was. (The radio program basically just rolled the entire LP with stops on the quarter hours for commercials.) A few months later my Dad bought the Lp for me and the insert explained the story. It also contained the curious disclaimer "Some songs have been abridged for recording."

The show was being advertised as one of a number of possibilities for the 1972/73 Mirvish subscription series, but the tour never got past LA.

I later read how the show had lost so much money and figured I would NEVER have a chance to see it. Who would revive it? Who could AFFORD to revive it?

Then came the announcement of the concert being staged to make a new recording. WONDERFUL. The day the tickets went on sale I tried to call but they were gone in less than 3 hours. Oh well, at least there would be the recording.

But no..... suddenly RCA announced it was too expensive and they were not going to release it after all. (The man who made this decision was named Melendez, later murdered by his two sons...but not because of the FOLLIES incident.)

Tom Sheppard went to bat, the concert was a huge success and in December 1985 the 2 LP set arrived in stores. I got mine on a Friday afternoon and played it almost non-stop the whole weekend.

To my ears it had a thrilling you-are-there quality, and being recorded digitally it had a much better sound than any pervious live album (Listen to how tinny the orchestra is on Warner Bros. SONDHEIM: A MUSCAL TRIBUTE.) Of course there were a few minor glitches: A cross fade in the middle of "The Road You Didn't Take" gives a double audio image of George Hearn's voice for a second, and just before Barbara Cook starts to sing "Losing my Mind" you can hear a digital watch beep. Still here was essentially what FOLLIES could have sounded like if Capitol had done it on 2 Lps.

The record sold so well that it paid back its costs in less than a month. I wonder how many FOLLIES fans got it for Christmas that year.

Of course a few months later RCA gave us the 2-CD set which we had to have: It had the STAVISKY score as a bonus!

The concert reignited interest in the show: there was a London production (Heavily revised) and between 1989 and 1991 there were at least 4 different stagings in and around the Toronto area. These were by community groups, but all were quite good. And then came the Papermill production and the Roudabout revival. Now the new Encores staging. FOLLIES is still alive and being staged even if, from all reports, nothing will ever match the burning intensity of the original production.

Nothing can. As the legend grows, the show takes on a life of its own. Many people claim to have seen the original production; some say they saw t multiple times. Unless they can prove it with a ticket stub, don't believe them. If this many people had seen the show it would still be running today!

SO, yes, I think the FOLLIES IN CONCERT made a very enjoyable and listenable album...but maybe for reasons that go beyond the contents of the 4 LP sides.


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Live theatre does not use a "soundtrack." If it did, it wouldn't be live theatre!

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#29

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"Nothing can. As the legend grows, the show takes on a life of its own. Many people claim to have seen the original production; some say they saw t multiple times. Unless they can prove it with a ticket stub"

I saw the original production but I'm not sure I have the ticket stubs. I do have a lousy recording I made of the show up through the Bolero. While I loved the show, who knew what a legend it would become at that time? So I didn't bother to turn the tape over:)

The next time I saw Follies was a production at Ithaca College in my hometown of Ithaca, NY. We attended the dress rehearsal and a regular performance the following weekend. It was interesting to see college kids playing the older roles. Several months later we ran into the person who played Ben in a downtown Ithaca bar. In discussing the show, he told me that "we had no idea what we were doing."

If I remember correctly, I repeatedly pressed the re-dial button on my telephone for 3 hours and 10 minutes on the day tickets for Follies in Concert went on sale. I got two seats for the Saturday night [2nd] performance. I recall walking past the street behind Avery Fisher Hall on the day before we attended the concert. That red television truck that you can see in the documentary was parked there that day. No one who didn't actually attend the concert can possibly imagine how exciting it was.

I then saw the Paper Mill Playhouse production. It had a lot of good points and it was both sad and wonderful to see Ann Miller again. After that came the Roundabout revival which was a mess for the most part.

#30

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I saw the London production on my first trip to Europe in 1988. The trip was great, but FOLLIES in London was a great disappointment. The new book was dreadful, Diana Rigg should have been perfect for Phyllis but she seemed bored and distracted throughout, Dolores Gray was a mess singing "I'm Still Here" (she was here, she was there, she was on top of the piano, she was in the pit...) and the whole production just withered in front of my eyes. The only bright spot was Julia McKenzie's fragile, beautifulIy realized Sally. I still love the show but that production is best forgotten, a sentiment with which I believe a lot of people who were involved agree.
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#31

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The 1987 London production of FOLLIES, the only production that I have ever seen, was to me wonderful. Diana Rigg, Dolores Gray, Daniel Massey, Julia McKenzie, and Dennis Healy were all top notch in my book and the pit orchestra was especially fine. In addition, the sets, lighting and costumes were great. I can't compare it to other productions, but to me it was a thrilling theatrical experience. So, the London cast recording is the one that I like. I have a feeling I am in the minority on this subject.
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#32

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Well I'm glad someone liked it. Even the director of that production didn't like to talk about it.
Cheyenne Jackson tickled me. AFTER ordering SoMMS a drink but NOT tickling him, and hanging out with Girly in his dressing room (where he DIDN'T tickle her) but BEFORE we got married. To others. And then he tweeted Boobs. He also tweeted he's good friends with some chick on "The Voice" who just happens to be good friends with Tink's ex. And I'm still married. Oh, and this just in: "Pettiness, spite, malice ....Such ugly emotions... So sad." - After Eight, talking about MEEEEEEEE!!! I'm so honored! :-)
#34

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I think the London Cast Recording of Follies is disastrous except for the addition of "Country House" (which would be a great addition to the Encores! concert, I can just imagine how astonishing it must be to see Donna Murphy and Victor Garber sing a duet).
I agree with frontrowcenter about the 1985 concert recording. It is my favorite recording of the show. Though I can't stand Mandy Patinkin's mannerisms during "Buddy's Blues" (and I hate the fact he sings the whole song without a Margie and a Sally), I believe the changes made made for an ultimate Follies recording. The best "Lucy and Jessie" is in this recording, I particularly love the fast tempo during the last section ("Lucy's a lassie you pat on the head, Jessie is classy but virtually dead"), it adds to the desperation of Phyllis and Lee Remick does wonders with it.
I'm more excited than I should be about seeing the Encores! concert opening night and that is the recording I'd like to hear.
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#35

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Rath, that night in Melbourne back in 93 at the State theatre was the highlite of my theatre going life ( not even being at opening night of Phantom in New York can top that night )

A who's who of World Class Talent, the lights dimmed and for 2 and half hours magic happened and has yet to be topped.

There was never a recording made, cause Steven asked for it not to be recorded and Tony followed his wishes, which is a pity since i only have memories of that night.

A few years later i had the wonderful chance to work with June Salter on "The Secret Garden" and we spoke often about that night, she listed it as one of the highlites of her career.

That night was the reason theatre happens....Magic
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#37

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I do agree about Lee as phyllis in the concert--she seems to be the only one who is paying ANY attention to character in the whole concert
#38

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She was brilliant. And gorgeous, too. One of my favorite actresses, and the perfect Phyllis.
Cheyenne Jackson tickled me. AFTER ordering SoMMS a drink but NOT tickling him, and hanging out with Girly in his dressing room (where he DIDN'T tickle her) but BEFORE we got married. To others. And then he tweeted Boobs. He also tweeted he's good friends with some chick on "The Voice" who just happens to be good friends with Tink's ex. And I'm still married. Oh, and this just in: "Pettiness, spite, malice ....Such ugly emotions... So sad." - After Eight, talking about MEEEEEEEE!!! I'm so honored! :-)
#39

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rosscoe, I have only heard amazing things about that performance. It's really too bad it was only one night, and not recorded for posterity.
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#40

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June and I talked about a recording, because she was hoping that someone may have recorded it, but sadly no.

It could never be done in Australia again, that cast was our Mermans, Channings and so on.

I feel so lucky and privileged that i got to see it, it was a once in a lifetime event.
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#41

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As Kringas has heard ad nauseam, I saw the original Broadway production 5 times (in the $2 balcony tickets Hal Prince reserved for students), and I saw the first national tour once (up in Westchester somewhere), and NO I don't have my ticket stubs any more. I really don't care if you believe me or not.

I used to have an original window card too, up on the wall of my teenage bedroom, along with Company and Minnie's Boys and Celebration and Your Own Thing and many minor shows that seemed major to me at the time...all of which got lost or thrown out when my parents moved after I was in college. What can I say? You lose things in life. Isn't that what the show's about? You lose things and then you CHOOSE things. Or is that some other Sondheim show? (Or ALL of them?)

I was 15 and Follies became part of my life, part of who I am, how I view relationships and how I experience and process regret and nostalgia and passion. (Kringas and I were wondering: What is it about 15-year-old-gay boys and Follies? The allure seems to endure.) I dragged friends and relatives to those $2 tickets--and none of them loved it as much as I did, no one seemed as obsessed by it as I was. I would have been so happy if I had been able to log on to a BroadwayWorld and argue about Ethel Shutta vs. Fifi D'Orsay.

Later, after the show closed, when I was in my 20s and I was hopelessly in love, I was Dorothy Collins, leaning against the slantboard, Losing My Mind. When I was brittle and bitchy and breaking up with someone, I was Alexis Smith and WAIT! I was just beginning. When I was faced with big decisions they were the Road I Didn't Take--the words of which seemed so much more profound than Proust or Pound. When I couldn't find the Right Girl (well, Guy), it was because I had the God-Why-Don't-You Blues, but In Buddy's Eyes I was Young and Beautiful. And most of the time, I was a Clever-but-Ever-So-Sad Broadway Baby who was Still Here. Even when it rained, it went pit-pitty-pat, pit-pitty-pat-pitty. I oozed Follies through every pore.

I memorized every tongue-twisting word of The Girls Upstairs and Lucy and Jessie and Love Will See Us Through. They are still engraved in my mind, and I will probably end up in a nursing home someday, drooling and babbling to myself that Lucy wants to be classy and Jessie wants to be Lassie and soul-stirring / bolstering and what-the-hell-was-his-name, you know, the old guy?

I saw the 1985 concert twice--no ticket stubs, again, SORRY--once with a cherished ticket I really couldn't afford and once as the guest of a friend who was working with Great Performances. It was wonderful to see it and hear it again, but where, I wailed, were the ghosts? Where was Boris Aronson's set? Where were Florence Klotz's costumes? Where were those performers who could have been there--for REAL--and who weren't just "still alive" but still great! So what if Carol Burnett was Still Here--she had never been THERE to begin with! She may have been stinko by her pool but not because she'd been called pinko, like Yvonne DeCarlo and the gals of her generation had been.

Where was Ethel Barrymore Colt? Where was Mary McCarty, godamnit!

And where was Michael Bennett's magic?

But I watched the concert, somewhat melancholically, both times, bought the album, bought the CD, the laserdisc, the DVD, the London cast, met Dolores Gray and listened to her stories. I went to the Papermill (which was hard), the Roundabout (which made me ANGRY) and finally decided, that the Follies I loved can never be revived. It's gone, like the ticket stubs and the window card, like Michael Bennett's showgirl ghosts and the Weismann Theater and the rubble of the Roxy and Gloria Swanson.

"Oh dear God," as Sally says, "it is tomorrow."

But you know what? I can't wait to see the Encores Follies. NOT because I think I'll see MY Follies again. I can't wait to see the Encores Follies because I'm going to see YOUR Follies.

And who knows? Maybe YOUR Follies will be good. REALLY good.

I hope so. As Phyllis says, "Hope doesn't grow on trees; we make our own and I am here to tell you it's the hardest thing we'll ever do."


Updated On: 1/28/07 at 09:02 AM

#42

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wow, PJ!! I personally don't know much about the show, but that post was wonderfully written!

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#43

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i know it wasn't very good but i would love to have a recording of the roundabout 2001 production, but that's not possible.

my hope of hopes is that a more complete original 1972 cd will someday magically appear.
"The theatre is so endlessly fascinating because it's so accidental. It's so much like life." - Arthur Miller
#44

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PJ, it's not 15-year-old gay boys for whom FOLLIES endures, trust me!

I feel the same way as PJ about all the "revivals," but I did like the London production when I saw it (although I have never heard the CD).

The Roundabout production was mostly dreadful, I agree. I was UPSET that they "ruined" the show!

I still recite lines from the sho--exactly as they were delivered) in my daily conversation ("What we need is a drink!"). Even as I sit and watch GREY GARDENS, I am thinking of how John McMartin is the only surviving star of FOLLIES and what an important place he holds in my development.

For me, though, it will always be a show that makes me think of my parents because they were OBSESSED with the show, which is how I became OBSESSED with it. It is emblematic of their greatest gift to me and my fondest memories from childhood: the theatre.

(I am so happy someone else said it: Carol Burnett, we love you, but that was a tragedy. I even did a better job with that song when I performed it at a party once...although others in attendance may have labeled it a "tragedy" as well.)
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#45

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PJ, that I think may have been my most favorite post EVER here. I loved it and may I ask what day you are going to see it at Encores?

Who doesn't enjoy pulling a friend down to sit and chat and use the priceless "Let's dish" line?
#46

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I'll be at Encores Saturday night, CIfC, and thank you.

Miss P--you're right about some of Follies lines--and line readings.

I can't simply say "What we need is a drink."

It has to come out like John McMartin's "What we NEED...is a DRINK!"


Updated On: 1/28/07 at 02:18 PM

#47

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Exactly, PJ!

Lovely post, BTW. re: FOLLIES recording I'd like to hear...
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#48

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I saw the original production of FOLLIES several times. It was easy to get tickets for because it never sold out during its entire run. I think I got my first pair of tickets through a broker--the reason why eludes me. However, every other time I saw it, I stood on line at TKTS and once got first row seats from there.

I also saw the 1985 concert. I don't remember how I got those seats. Perhaps Lincoln Center regulars had been given advanced notice and I purchased mine through a brochure I received in the mail. Yeah, I think that was it. I do recall my mother joined me for that event. It was electrifying. It was Mom's first time through FOLLIES and she loved it.

I saw the London production but it was after Delores Grey had left and was replaced by Eartha Kitt--who was sensational. The rest of the production left me cold because there were quite a few understudies in for major roles. Also, the set looked like a flying pancake. I recall sitting in the first row for that performance, too!

Saw the Papermill version and wasn't fully impressed with that one, either. The sets, lighting and costumes sreemed to be much too bright and cheery for the story being told. Ann Miller's makeup made he look more like a clown than a former Follies girl.

And yes, I caught the Roundabout revival. It was a major diapointment. Not so much as for the cast, but for the direction and concept. I do recall being impressed with Judith Ivey's rendition of "Losing My Mind". I caught the show toward the end of its run and her vocal prowess had really improved--or so I was told.

I don't have ticket stubs to prove my attendance at these shows, but I do havet he Playbills for what it's worth.
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#49

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Re: the Roundabout revival, I was stunned when Blythe Danner was nominated for the Tony when I thought she was the worst of the leads. I found that whole production depressing.

Nothing can ever compare to the original. I know I sound OLD, but what can I say? I AM old.
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