Farewell Finding Neverland.- Page 2
Farewell Finding Neverland.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#25
Posted: 8/15/16 at 1:21pm
There are several examples of the actors getting bashed.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#26
Posted: 8/15/16 at 1:47pm
Where have actors gotten "bashed" on here? I see no problem with critically assessing different performers' takes on a role.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#27
Posted: 8/15/16 at 5:34pm
^ Claiming that Matthew Morrison is the reason the show didn't get Tony nominations and why the show closed when it did. That's not objective even handed critical assessment that's vitriol.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#28
Posted: 8/15/16 at 5:41pm
Sunny11 said: "^ Claiming that Matthew Morrison is the reason the show didn't get Tony nominations and why the show closed when it did. That's not objective even handed critical assessment that's vitriol.
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It's ridiculous to think that the show didn't get any nomination because of Matthew Morrison, it didn't get any because it's garbage. It's very different.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#29
Posted: 8/15/16 at 6:18pm
imeldasturn said: "Sunny11 said: "^ Claiming that Matthew Morrison is the reason the show didn't get Tony nominations and why the show closed when it did. That's not objective even handed critical assessment that's vitriol.
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It's ridiculous to think that the show didn't get any nomination because of Matthew Morrison, it didn't get any because it's garbage. It's very different.
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Another classy comment. Just charming.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#30
Posted: 8/15/16 at 6:27pm
imeldasturn's comment on the show being "garbage" isn't exactly incendiary. I, for one (and, really, many others), agree completely. There are shows in the world that plenty of people think—and are entitled to think—are garbage, and they shouldn't be condemned for saying so.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#31
Posted: 8/15/16 at 6:43pm
"There are shows in the world that plenty of people think—and are entitled to think—are garbage, and they shouldn't be condemned for saying so."
Except when the term is applied to the likes of Sunday in the Park With George, Falsettos, Fun Home, Hamilton, et al. Then people like you sing a very different tune.
And Sunny makes a very valid point. The thread was posited as a well-wishing send off to the show. It was not meant for the haters to flock here like vultures in all their ugliness. You didn't like the show? Then go elsewhere.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#32
Posted: 8/15/16 at 6:50pm
After Eight, I'll defend wholeheartedly your right to say that shows like those are garbage just as much as I'll defend the rights of others to call you out on how crazy you are. Free speech is a two-way street.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#33
Posted: 8/15/16 at 7:04pm
BC,
What you fail utterly to understand is there is a time and a place to say certain things as well as to refrain from saying them.
It's called seemliness. Propriety. Decorum.
These concepts may be wholly foreign to you, but not to others who value and abide by them.
So to spell it out for you in the plainest of terms: this thread is not for haters. So begone.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#34
Posted: 8/15/16 at 7:11pm
I think the issue is that there's a difference between criticism and explaining what you disliked about the show or what you saw as weak points (such as the criticisms of the actors), and just outright saying "It was garbage." That's not criticism, that is an incendiary statement, and I do feel that the people who think people are wrong to complain about this being called garbage would be singing a different tune if someone called something THEY considered good or a masterpiece as garbage. Art is subjective and everyone has different opinions, but calling something "garbage" still sounds too incendiary to me, and also seems to imply that you're holding this as fact rather than opinion, which people will take offense to (but I might be reading the tone of that wrong - I am autistic, so forgive me if I'm wrong in that respect).
I just think there's a big difference between "This actor felt weak", or even just "I didn't like this show" or "I felt this show was bad" and "This show is garbage." The first two are criticisms and expressions of opinion, the third is trying to express a subjective opinion as fact, which is offensive. Everyone has different tastes and opinions and with something like theatre, all are valid since art is subjective. And it shouldn't be too hard to express a negative opinion of something without insulting it and thus also indirectly insulting people who may hold a positive opinion of it.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#35
Posted: 8/15/16 at 7:35pm
I'm sad to see it go, I will be at the final performance this weekend, and I also look forward to seeing it on tour.
I think Tony Yazbeck is excellent, I've always thought he had just the right amount of "playful" with the kids. I always find his scene & duet in the garden with Peter very moving.
I also adore Laura Michelle Kelly and think she is perfect for this role.
I've also really enjoyed watching the boys grow over the past year. It's been a treat to see them play the different roles and see them get better each time.
Carolee Carmello's voice is beautiful and while I'm sad that Tuck didn't work out for her, I'm thrilled that she returned to close out this one.
I saw Anthony Warlow and Terrence Mann as Frohman/Hook, and consider myself very fortunate to have seen both of them. Every other time I've seen it, Paul Slade Smith was in the role and I thought he was great too.
Do I think the set and choreography could be better? Sure. The book? I don't know, I loved the movie anyway so I'm not bothered. But I can overlook that stuff when a show just gets into my heart, and this one does. I will miss it very much.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#36
Posted: 8/15/16 at 8:06pm
"I'm sad to see it go,"
Eliza2,
So am I, and I too will miss it very much. Broadway so desperately needs musicals with heart like this one. I hope you enjoy the final performance.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#37
Posted: 8/15/16 at 8:37pm
After Eight said: "Its qualities --- attractive music, the spirit of innocence --- and its ideals --- kindness, tenderness, consideration for others --- are reviled by the powers that be who unfortunately rule the roost in our theatre nowadays. The show was thus fated to incur their wrath and scorn from the outset. It's amazing then that it ran as long as it did.
I hope it will meet with success in its future venues.
And I most definitely hope Gary Barlow returns to Broadway with more scores. Heaven knows we need melodic music in our musicals!
I couldn't agree with you more. I lo bed the show and still can't believe the harsh treatment it recveived by people anxious to lash out at Harvey Weinstein.
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#38
Posted: 8/15/16 at 9:42pm
Eliza2 said: "I'm sad to see it go, I will be at the final performance this weekend, and I also look forward to seeing it on tour.
I think Tony Yazbeck is excellent, I've always thought he had just the right amount of "playful" with the kids. I always find his scene & duet in the garden with Peter very moving.
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I could not agree with your more about Tony. I loved his playful with both the kids, with Sylvia and others - and of course, because he is a "Dancer with a capital D", his "shadow dance" with Laura in act 2 is just special.
In reference to the lack of chemistry someone felt with the kids, I do feel - actors are not machines and have different chemistry/lack of chemistry with different actors. It's not a criticism about a lack of professionalism - it's just human nature. And I think all 4 Barries had different degrees of chemistry with a variety of co-stars (well maybe not Alfie so much but he wasn't really there long enough to develop that chemistry yet). And as the show ends, there are now seven boy actors - four of whom rotate into more than one part..with three playing Peter regularly. This has to make a difference in what people see.
If you ever saw the Neverland twitter, it's impossible to say that NO one cares that the show is closing. It has many many fans....now matter how poorly the show was judged to be.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#39
Posted: 8/15/16 at 9:51pm
thank God this show is ending. it ran about 16 months longer than its quality would suggest it should have. I wish everyone in the cast and crew a successful future (hopefully in better shows along the lines of Fun Home, Sunday in the Park With George, Falsettos and Hamilton).
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#41
Posted: 8/15/16 at 10:08pm
I haven't gotten to see the show yet, but from what I've heard and seen of it it sounds like a charming show that I'd enjoy. Sad that it's closing before my trip to Broadway over Labor Day Weekend, otherwise I would have considered seeing it. At least it will be showing in Baltimore in June 2017. I'll have to look into seeing it then.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#42
Posted: 8/15/16 at 10:27pm
gypsy101 said: "thank God this show is ending. it ran about 16 months longer than its quality would suggest it should have. I wish everyone in the cast and crew a successful future (hopefully in better shows along the lines of Fun Home, Sunday in the Park With George, Falsettos and Hamilton).
One of the great things that distinguishes us is taste. You loved Fun Home, I hated it (and I am NOT a homophobe)...I just thought it was relentlessly dreary, I didn't think there was anything special about the direction, I hated Emily Skeggs' performance, and I was underwhelmed by Michael Cerveris' role itself to the point of having complete disbelief that he won a Tony. I LOVED Neverland, although I do agree that the first 30 minutes, despite having some very good songs IMO, was sluggish. Any deficiencies were more than compensated by the scene leading up to Sylvia's death, which was as entertaining and moving as anything I saw that season. I also loved Hamilton and Sunday in the Park, although the latter had to grow on me. I have never seen Falsettos -- its original run occurred when my wife and i were raising (at the beginning) an infant and a 15 month old, so we rarely got to the theatre -- and am looking forward too seeing it this season.
I think it sucks to be happy that a show is closing, when a lot of people will be out of work and you know from this board has a lot of people who love it. If that were the case, i would be celebrating Fum Home's closing, which I would never do.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#43
Posted: 8/15/16 at 11:38pm
I never saw this show on Broadway but hope to catch it on tour. No comment on quality but it seems like one that will do well on tour and especially in regional and amateur productions down the road
Farewell Finding Neverland.#44
Posted: 8/15/16 at 11:43pm
I wouldn't call this show garbage necessarily... It does have some pleasant songs and Laura Michelle Kelly is a queen but overall the quality of the show is mediocre. Is it amazing? No. Is it the worst thing ever written? No. That belongs to a select few shows. COUGH FIRST WIVES CLUB. I've met people who hate Sondheim and so I try to be more open to other people's opinions. Do I think it should have ran this long? NOPE. There are so many more shows that were actually good quality that deserved to run longer. What you have to give Finding Neverland credit for is it's commercial appeal. Commercial appeal unfortunately has nothing to do with quality. This show isn't quality, it's more quantity. If that makes any sense LOL
Farewell Finding Neverland.#45
Posted: 8/16/16 at 1:16am
I'm one of the ones who ADORED it in Cambridge. I'm curious if the changes they're making at the beginning will return that section more like the way it was at ART. I quite enjoyed the early songs that got cut: the prologue with the nightmare clocks, "Better," and "Rearranging the Furniture" -- my avi here is from "Rearranging the Furniture." I thought "Better" was an intense and sharply choreographed "I Want" song.
Never saw it in NY, can't decide whether to see it on tour...
Farewell Finding Neverland.#46
Posted: 8/16/16 at 2:32am
Fine! I guess I am allowed to be critical too then?
Everything that I have read of the real JM Barrie described him as an introvert. From the bootlegs I saw at ART I though that Jeremy did not accurately portray that at all, he was hyperactive, the opposite of shy. I thought that Matthews more low key protrayal was more fitting for that character. He was also more age appropriate.
Farewell Finding Neverland.#47
Posted: 8/16/16 at 2:35am
Jarethan said: "I think it sucks to be happy that a show is closing, when a lot of people will be out of work and you know from this board has a lot of people who love it. If that were the case, i would be celebrating Fum Home's closing, which I would never do."
I have a firm belief in quality over quantity, and also that each of the wonderfully talented members of the cast and crew will work again hopefully in a better show. Obviously most people don't have the luxury to say no when they are offered a job in a Broadway show so I do not fault them in any way. Sorry for offending you.
(also re: Fun Home I disagree it was relentlessly dreary and there were many spots of humor and fun, but obviously due to the subject matter some dreariness was called for)
thanks for the support BC!
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#48
Posted: 8/16/16 at 6:34am
"I have a firm belief in quality over quantity,"
Nice to know your "beliefs" are "firm." Now if only you knew what quality was....
BC said: "Gypsy wins." Yes, the boorish clod award. But not by his lonesome. He shares it with you.
Is even a modicum of maturity really too much to ask for on this board?
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Farewell Finding Neverland.#49
Posted: 8/16/16 at 6:48am
"I think it sucks to be happy that a show is closing, when a lot of people will be out of work and you know from this board has a lot of people who love it."
I agree. It takes a real gem to do that.
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