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Posted: 2/1/11 at 9:24am

Is it just me, or has the Foxwoods/Hilton had it's share of expensive but troubled productions?

The Pirate Queen, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and Spiderman...

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 9:40am

Let's not forget the Show the theatre was built for: Ragtime.

Has ANY show recouped in that theatre yet?

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 9:41am

Add Hot Feet to that list.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 9:45am

I actually think the revival of 42nd Street recouped.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 9:59am

And you left out that mess YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:01am

^it's better that way, Jordan.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:07am

Young Frankenstein was a waste of Sutton Foster's talents.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:21am

Spiderman is a flop?

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:28am

42nd Street did not recoup, though it reportedly came close. Maybe Grinch?

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:30am

No, Spiderman is not. It is, however an expensive but troubled production.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:31am

Spiderman definitely fts the category "expensive but troubled"

#12

That theatre is just absolutely terrible. It's a cavernous barn of a theatre where the balcony feels like it's on another continent. It'd have better acoustics if it was underwater. And due to its enormous size, the only shows that can really hope to fill it are high-cost, high-risk, bombastic musical spectacles like the ones that have been listed in this thread. Nobody's going to stage an understated revival of A View from the Bridge in that thing.

It's not so much cursed as it is suited solely for shows with a high chance of closing. Really, the only shows to have played the Foxwoods that weren't disasters were the 42nd Street revival, which did not recoup, and the limited-run Grinch.

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Updated On: 2/1/11 at 10:32 AM

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:34am

Which is why it was almost demolished in the 1990s...

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:45am

I have heard allusions to the theater being haunted, but never any concrete details. Maybe it's just haunted by years of flops past!

And what was wrong with Ragtime?! I have a special place in my heart for Ragtime - it was my first Broadway show ever!

TD

Show's I've Seen: 2011: American Idiot, Lombardi, Screwtape Letters, Adams Family, Imaginocean, Phantom - 2010: Spiderman, A Little Night Music, Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson, La Cage aux Faux, Next to Normal (twice), Fanny (City Center), Next Fall, - 2009: Finian's Rainbow, Let Me Down Easy, Toxic Avenger, Hair, Mary Stuart, 9 to 5, Avenue Q (a few times), Young Frankenstein, Cry Baby, Applause (City Center), Xanadu, Legally Blond, Glorious Ones, Gutenberg: The Musical, Spring Awakening, Company, Dessa Rose, Jersey Boys, The Color Purple, Taboo, Altar Boys, Lestat, The Weddings Singer, Hairspray, Spamalot, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Wicked, Brooklyn, Urinetown, 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee, Grey Gardens, Drowsy Chaperon, Thoroughly Modern Millie, Les Miserable, Aida, Great American Trailer Park Musical, Into The Woods, Naked Boys Singing, Cabaret, Last Five Years, Jekyll & Hyde, Corpus Christi, Side Show, Rent (a few times), Footloose, and Ragtime (First Broadway Show I saw).

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:47am

Rgtime was wonderful. It just flopped.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:57am

As the theatre was only built in the late 1990s, it wasn't almost demolished in the 1990s - It opened in 1998. Two Broadway theatres were demolished to make way for it though - the Apollo and the Lyric. While the Lyric was pretty much gutted after years as a 42nd Street grind house, the Apollo was fairly intact and had even made a brief return to legit theatre in the late 1970s/1980s. (It housed On Golden Pond, Bent and The Fifth of July, but then reverted back to films quickly after a play called The Guys in the Truck closed on its opening night in 1983. It was also a concert venue called the Academy before its demolition.)

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 10:57am

It couldn't make the minimum % for long enough to pay back the investment. That's why Spidey PROBABLY will flop. I wonder what the % of FULL PRICED seats is for it to recoup in 7 years. That's an AWFUL long time for a show to go in order to make back the investment.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 11:01am

Thanks, smaxie. My info was wrong...

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 11:02am

I've always wondered how Wicked would have fared there.

I also sat in the balcony one of the times I saw Ragtime there, and I felt very removed from the action on stage.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 11:40am

When I saw Spider-Man recently from the balcony, I was actually very surprised that I didn't feel too far away. Perhaps it was because the show was so in-your-face, but I liked my third row balcony seat for Spider-Man better than my sixth-row mezz/dress circle/flying circle (or whatever) seat for Young Frankenstein. It probably also helped that I had a ton of legroom in the balcony.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 11:46am

While I certainly won't defend Hot Feet or Young Frankenstein as having any artistic merit (I didn't sit through The Pirate Queen), I will say that the Foxwoods is actually my favorite of the giant barn theaters on Broadway.

Unlike many other theaters, the balcony is quite comfortable and well-maintained. The seats aren't at a weird angle, and although you are far away, it isn't nearly as bad as the Palace and the Gershwin, or even the balcony in smaller spaces like the Lyceum or the Walter Kerr.

Plus having the entrances on 42nd and 43rd makes it much faster to get out when the show is over. It took me a solid 15 minutes just to get out of the building when I saw Promises, Promises.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 11:50am

It's not 100% clear that Ragtime flopped, in the technical sense. Drabinski was cooking the books, moving money from Phantom (Toronto), Ragtime and Show Boat to his other shows. It's possible that without that "intervention, Ragtime would have been considered a hit.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 12:01pm

It also seemed to close early despite pulling in some pretty good numbers. I don't know what the running costs were like, though...

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 12:07pm

Reading about the Apollo....or was it called the New Apollo...breaks my heart, since "Fifth of July" was my first Broadway show.

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Posted: 2/1/11 at 12:43pm

The Gershwin is cursed. It's hosted flop after flop. Of course the biggest hit on Broadway lives there now. So maybe the curse moved?

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