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#126

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 9:49pm

"No. I am doing it as his friend"

Yet you jumped at the chance to start a thread with the closing notice information, later adding the (after 1 performance) dig, bolded the words 1 performance, referred to the 1 performance a few more times, even mentioning the last time this happened was the year that Nick was born, most with exclamation points.

With friends like that.....

#127

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 9:53pm

These writers are significantly younger, and thus presumably less experienced. Unfair comparison, different league. At 23, you're what, a year, maybe two out of college? I'm sure you'd love to be held to the same expectations as people who have been working for 20 years more than you when you first graduate from college, right?

I'm not saying the entire problem is that people should be pitying them, because they should never have been thrown to the Broadway wolves by their producers in the first place. I think that's the bigger problem than how audiences would critique them. One led to the other, after all. This show, as with the work of many promising young composers, belongs in an environment that will foster their learning and development processes. Not one where they're going to be eaten alive and that is inappropriate for the stage they're at.

A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 5/7/08 at 09:53 PM

#128

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:06pm

Oh Mike...are we going to this again? we used to be buddies here .. remember XANADU days....on my thread.. you even came up with the word fANADU..what happened?

WHY DO YOU Take all the oppurtunity to jump on my throat? I hate to do this....

Let's face it...you got upset with me bec. I hung out with WBAF and you never gotten over it...

******

wbaf from singingbackup
on 12/28/07 @ 12:53:47 AM
next time we chat remind me to tell u what awful thing WBaF did to me...twice.

Hope ur holiday is great

*****

^^^^ you were upset with him bec. he did not showed up with your supposedly "date"

Now- I went to see SOUTH PACIFIC with RyToast and he is friends with WBAF. He showed up at the stage door..so what do you expect me to say to him? oh please DO NOT hang out with me bec. someone hates you? or please DO NOT GO to my tree house bec. one of my friend does not like you bec. you did not show up?

Yes. I made plans with him the week earlier..but why should YOU include me on your fights with him...WHY?

You got upset at me when I posted that I stage door with him...per your pm

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i gotta say from singingbackup
on 3/16/08 @ 12:25:25 AM
After the way WBAF treated me, I am kinda surprised you hang out with him, guess you condone that kind of behavior

****

I responded to you and you never answer me back:

Call me tommorow and we will talk from jaystarr
on 3/20/08 @ 09:06:33 PM
Mike

I waited for days....

I want to talk to you tommorow... okay youre still my friend! actually my 1st friend here..so I dont wanna loose you

Jay

*******

I went to jeffreydogg's party to greet him.. I was in a hurry bec. I will be seeing GYPSY and remember I never met you in person, so I did not noticed you in table full of guest... and what have you done after I left -you made some snarky comments after I LEFT- what made you think NO ONE in that table is not a friend of mine and did not tell me what you said...but I let it go...

I talked to jeffreydogg on my cellular to talk to you-- but still you never call me...

******
then you got upset at me for being friends with Without A Trace:

this is what i mean from singingbackup
on 3/16/08 @ 05:07:08 PM
from your post today

"I made plans with RyToast to see Next to Normal (actually supposed to be last 3/1 but I cancelled it bec. of the snow storm in Boston & CT) and lunch with RyToast, Without A Trace & Wanna Be a Foster, but due to unavoidable circumstances...we had to cancelled it on the last minute. Though these two sweet guys, RyToast & Wanna Be A Foster..."

SWEET GUY? really. And from reading your post it doesnt sound like he called you for lunch, and what could you say but yes, sounds like you had plans well in advance..... read your own words and your own actions.

And I know back in June/July we discussed how mean, nearly cruel WithoutATrace was on the board to anyone who was a fan of Xanadu, basically calling us losers and idiots for liking such 'god awful' crap (or words to that effect.) Those of us of a particular age too.

********

Yes.. I did not like Without A Trace before but you know what...after I met him.. he is the sweetest guy and I MOVE ON...and put the past behind me...

Wanna BE A Foster never did anything wrong with me...he is always nice to me.. so why should I treat him bad?

Please these personal attacks of yours is getting old.. I am sorry to post this.. but PLS LET ME KNOW ~What Have I done to DESERVE your bullying? or hatred towards me?

Mike.. I am ready to move on...you have no idea on how many people I did not get along here first~ I did not hold any grunch/ ill feelings towards them... I met them in person and I learned and MOVE ON... Please do the same thing....and let's not embarrassed ourselves furthermore. Please!

J*

PS Guys- I apologize for the drama...I just DONT deserve to be treated like this. My conscience is clear and I have not done any wrong doing.

also the I just copied and paste the article from Playbill saying one performance...

Updated On: 5/7/08 at 10:06 PM

#129

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:09pm

My heart goes out to all who are involved in GLORY DAYS. Be proud guys. You gave broadway a new musical, one that had a lot of heart in it. I hope you will give us another show soon. When this happens it is a tragedy for all involved.

And those on this thread who take joy and thinks its funny or amusing when something like this happens are terrible people. This people all did the best they could and I applaud them!

#130

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:12pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

I just got home from work, opened Playbill. and started laughing.

WithoutATrace, I hope you got to see this!

"If you are going to do something, do it well. And leave something witchy." -Charlie Manson

#131

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:26pm

Munkus, WithoutATrace did indeed see it. AdamGreer, he and I were all at the first preview.

Someone said to me tonight: Wouldn't you want to be 23 and have a show on Broadway regardless of whether or not it closed on opening night?

Truly? No. I'd rather not have people remember me as the guy who wrote the show that closed on opening night.

I don't care how much or an age difference there is. This isn't school. It's as high as you can get. EVERYONE who works in this industry should be judged the same way. Period.

"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

#132

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:34pm

Do people really forget how young Jerry Herman was when he did his first show? Or Mr. Sondheim writing lyrics for West Side Story? Or Mr. Schmidt for The Fantasticks? It's not about the age - it's about the work. That's the end of the story, I'm afraid.

#133

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:37pm

I have been blessed in my day to have performed in a few shows written by a good friend of mine in his early 20's at the time (we both were) and his stuff was far better than what I witnessed at Glory Days. It took him some years later to garner any real success musically speaking, so often it takes time to find your voice or in his case get the opportunity to showcase his work. I think the key is that regardless of their age, what the creative team of Glory Days produced was not quite up to the quality that would have helped it succeed. I really didn't care for the show, but it's sad that there is one less lit marquee on Broadway.

It really isn't cause for celebration--no show closing or in trouble is a good thing.

#134

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:40pm

I feel bad for everyone involved. I truly didn't think it was that bad of a show. I kinda wanted to see it again. I guess this means no OBCR?

Rent The best show on Broadway. I was at the closing. BEST night of my Life. April 29th 1996-September 7th 2008 12 years of love "No Day But Today"

#135

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:41pm

Plus, they made such a HUGE deal of their ages in all the marketing, like if it's written by really young, inexperienced guys, it MUST be good, and fresh, and original.

That just smacks, to me, of a certain arrogance and entitlement that makes me all the less sorry for them.

#136

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:42pm

"Do people really forget how young Jerry Herman was when he did his first show? Or Mr. Sondheim writing lyrics for West Side Story?"

Sondheim was 27 when WSS opened. Laurents and Bernstein were 39, I think...

Just throwing it out there....

#137

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:49pm

Sondheim was 24 when he wrote "Saturday Night" showing great potential, though shelved for such a long time.

#138

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 10:49pm

Such drama, and I don't mean Glory Days closing. Jay Starr seems to be very well liked, yet someone else on the board takes pleasure in wanting to take him down a few pegs. How pathetic.

Gymdude, I totally agree with you.

#139

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 11:00pm

I don't care how much or an age difference there is. This isn't school. It's as high as you can get. EVERYONE who works in this industry should be judged the same way. Period.

Everyone in the theater industry should be held to the same standards? Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds? If that were the case, if everyone were expected to produce at the highest possible level, how would we ever find new talent? You can't start at the top -- the first thing you write isn't going to be at the level of Sondheim or whoever else that deserves to be on Broadway. Everybody's got to start somewhere, and be allowed time to develop their voice. Should you not have work on Broadway until you and your work are ready? Absolutely. But that everyone "in this industry" should be judged the same way? That is ridiculous.

A work of art is an invitation to love.

Updated On: 5/7/08 at 11:00 PM

#140

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 11:15pm

Everyone currently working on Broadway should be in the same pool as one another. Period. There shouln't be levels of how prepared you are to work on Broadway. They're out in the real world now. There aren't "grades" or levels.

"I know now that theatre saved my life." - Susan Stroman

#141

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/7/08 at 11:37pm

You said "in this industry." Not "on Broadway." There's a big difference. I get wanting -- and expecting -- what you see on Broadway to be the best of the best. And I'm not arguing that. And I think your point is exactly why people are saying that this show should not have been put on Broadway in the first place. There are levels of how prepared you are for Broadway. Of course there are. That's only logical. Saying there "shouldn't" be levels of preparation is like saying that everyone who ever sets out to write a musical should be doing so at the same level of ability and quality. What sense does that make? Where does this logic that there should be no other level than the best of the best put the entire workshop and development process? It's not that they shouldn't be. It's that you just shouldn't be seeing the varying levels of "unprepared" on Broadway.

A work of art is an invitation to love.

#142

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:17am

It's reasons like this that I always go to first previews...you just never know when a show will close. I am *thrilled* that I got to see this show (bad as it was) and I can now say with pride that I saw a one-performance flop musical on Broadway. I will cherish my signed playbill always...

#143

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:21am

I'm very glad I got to see it as well. I'm sad I didn't stay to get my playbill signed though. But the only reason I went to it in previews was because I needed to go to a show no longer then 90 minutes so I could run over to Sunday in the Park to get that playbill signed.

#144

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:27am

"...and let's not embarrassed ourselves furthermore. Please!"

Too late.

Enough with the imaginary popularity polls . These type of "I'm special and have more friends than you do" pissing contests are beyond juvenile.

To me, anyone who publicly post private messages on a board without the author's permission is no better than a troll. To post any message that includes an individual's name other than the one they post by is wrong and shows a lack of judgment and class.

Rest in peace, Iflitifloat.

#145

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:29am

"Yes.. I did not like Without A Trace before but you know what...after I met him.. he is the sweetest guy and I MOVE ON...and put the past behind me..."

Jay: You didn't like me before you met me? Is this because I hated XANADU? I'm glad your opinion changed after we met. I definitely consider you a good friend.

#146

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:38am

I just ordered the opening night GLORY DAYS playbill from playbill.com...I must be insane. But this shows how much I love flop musicals!

#147

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 12:50am

People will remember the very best and the very worst. It is better to be one or the other then just plain mediocre.
It is better to have written a flop that got produced and failed then to never had anything produced at all. They will return if they indeed have the chops and will not make the same mistakes again!

Those Blocked: SueStorm. N2N Nate. Good riddence to stupid! Rad-Z, shill begone!

#148

Posted: 5/8/08 at 1:01am

Updated On: 5/6/09 at 01:01 AM

#149

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 2:33am

I figured Ghostlight would still record this, but I could be wrong.

#150

re: GLORY DAYS closed per playbill

Posted: 5/8/08 at 2:41am

It's been quite interesting reading the posts in this thread and the other Glory Days' threads. And after all that reading, well...

-I'm sure that the writers will be fine.

-I think a distinction has to be made between "THEY were not ready for Broadway" and the "SHOW was not ready for Broadway". There is a difference. Even experienced writers have projects that take years to get from page to (Broadway) stage.

-As for who to "blame", well... Since it takes money to get a show up and going on Broadway - or anywhere else for that matter - the Producers could be faulted. -Well, rather their level of artistic judgement. However, someone had to be the one who got the fire and buzz going, and keep it going. And from all accounts, that would have to be the director. I don't think the writers can be blamed for the failure of this production. Someone believed in them, someone earned their trust, and they just followed through. Again, I believe the SHOW was not ready for a more high profile production. Not all first- (and only-) timers can hit one out of the park like Sherman Edwards (1776).

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