Gavin Creel, Raul Esparza, Cheyanne Jackson — Page 2

There have been plenty of instances of "outing" of straight couples in the theatre communtiy - online "outing." People got upset then, too. It's not information that should be spread publically by anyone but these people themselves.

You want to debate someone's sexuality? The internet isn't the place to do it.

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Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:32 PM

I call them as I see them.

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I do apologize for the mentally challenged comment, I have no way of knowing if you are or not. But I stand by the ass comment.

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Don't! I am an ass and mentally challenged. Don't be a wimp and stand by your statements. You are turning into an ugly stereotype right before our screens.

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no it's not a technicality. It's a fact. Show me a piece of mainstream media press where he discusses his male partner or his preference for male partners. You can dress it up all you want, luv, but TECHNICALLY you are wrong.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:53 PM

Oh, who cares! Let's just stay here locked up for another half an hour. The police are on their way and there are two dead bodies in the study!

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Huh?

I hate when people put words in my mouth, especially since my mouth is usually full of something else.

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I started quite an argument, didn't I? I hadn't visited the thread since my original posting. I must say that I agree with you, Chita, 100%. I know that I will raise baddadnpa's hackles if I say that his comments indicate to me some unresolved discomfort with his sexuality, and I'm sure he will deny any such thing, vehemently I would guess. On the other hand, Chita, you have expressed yourself eloquently, and your postings show that you have given the matter a great deal of intelligent thought. I salute you for having made your points so perfectly that I have nothing to add but my thanks.

I hate this. And maybe I'm being courageous in bringing this thread back.

But who are you to say that you know what Gavin "wants" and to say it with such confidence? That's just pretentious. Not your job to psychoanalyze. And why is it so wrong that people ask discussion on a site like that to remain about his work? What happened to privacy and respect? I respect and applaud your pride, but it seems like it's blinding you to the fact that what we see about these actors should be about their work, if that's the way they would like it to be. It's more than likely that the webmaster or person who posted that request did it out of respect to the actor, not necessarily because he asked it to be that way; that's common courtesy. Don't you have any perception of how messy PUBLIC discussion of an attractive, popular actor's personal life can get? Accusations? Rumours? Things that could be hurtful? Not even so much because who he's dating is information that he might not want circulated (as a hypothetical, I surely don't know what he wants), but just because people can be so damned tasteless in their commenting - and I'm not even talking about just the gay/straight question - I mean personal affairs in general. It's a sticky, sticky subject, especially when it's being discussed on something so widely accessible as the internet. Work is not about sexual orientation. It's not about personality. This also seems to be blinding you to the fact that you can't make such sweeping judgements and impose the way you feel on others, and expect everyone to do as you do. It's narrow-minded, unfair and perhaps even slightly deluded.

Live and let live - these people aren't objects.

We might as well all talk to walls. This certainly isn't something on which the two sides will see eye-to-eye, no matter how many times it comes up, and no matter how many times a certain actor gets pulled into the discussion, at least tangentially. That's the kicker that causes me to jump, and it had to be said, even if at this point at the risk of redundancy.

Oh. And condescension = eloquence? HA! Give me an effing break. That's the most twisted thing I've heard all week.

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Updated On: 7/22/05 at 10:23 AM

It just comes down to one idea, "Who cares?" Does it amtter if he's gay, out, bi, no. He's a good performer and that is what we should be discussing.

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Brandon, you are so right! A number of people who are part of this thread (either as posters or as names mentioned in the post) just don't "get" it. A celebrity who is comfortable being gay only in certain situations or among certain people still has issues with his orientation. Regardless of how they try to explain it away, it comes down to one thing: Fear. Fear of losing fans, fear of losing roles, fear of rejection. Any other explanations (privacy, it's only about the work, etc.) are smoke screens. How many straight celebrities hide their orientation? Pretty much none. How many gay celebrities do? Pretty much most. So when a celebrity comes out, he does the entire community a service, especially as it relates to people in Texas or Oklahoma or even "red" parts of my state, California. He raises awareness, breaks stereotypes, and forces fans to examine their prejudices. Very few out celebrities express regret at their coming out. In contrast, every celebrity who invents excuses for not saying the simple words, "I'm gay," does our community a disservice by allowing people to continue with their cluelessness, stereotypes, and prejudices. For every teenager inspired by a Cheyenne Jackson or Rufus Wainwright or Anthony Rapp, there are countless others searching for role models, only to find that almost every one of their favorite actors or recording artists is, or appears to be, straight. The gay community is asking for marriage rights. Gay people are asking for the right to to serve in the military. We cannot be invisible if we want these rights. Openly gay celebrities help our causes and help our youth and help our brothers and sisters tremendously. And the closeted or merely quietly gay ones do nothing, and in doing nothing play into the hands of those who would silence us or even worse. Bravo to those who've come out, and to the others: Be inspired by the courage of your openly gay colleagues and don't let your fears win out.

Gavin went on the Rosie O'Donnel produce gay Family cruise with his partner and they have been featured in coverage of that cruise.

As for Raul...has anybody seen his wife? I can think of one Broadway star who was married to a fag hag and was basically screwing boys left and right....

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