Gavin Creel, Raul Esparza, Cheyanne Jackson- Page 2

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:30pm

My involvement in this thread has nothing to do with whether we should discuss or speculate about anyone's sexuality. I love gossip as much as the next person. What I object to is the attitude of some on this thread that say, and I am paraphrasing, that it is the duty of every gay man to proudly shout to all that will listen that he is gay. Some feel it isn't enough for Gavin to live a gay lifestyle, but that he has to announce it to anyone he comes in contact with, beyond the 100 or so people in a room at a live performance. That I have a problem with. It should be enough that he has a relationship with a man, feels comfortable to show affection to that man, privately and publicly. That is all that should be required. Any thing more than that is gravy, if he wants to go there.

It is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation with the mentally challenged. Chita, feel free to continue your rant.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:30 PM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:32pm

There have been plenty of instances of "outing" of straight couples in the theatre communtiy - online "outing." People got upset then, too. It's not information that should be spread publically by anyone but these people themselves.

You want to debate someone's sexuality? The internet isn't the place to do it.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:32 PM

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:35pm

"ass" "mentally challenged" ...I don't know baddad, it's hard to match that repartee.

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:36pm

I call them as I see them.

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:38pm

ok. here it goes, in the style of baddad.....

SO'S YOUR OLD MAN!

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I see someone found the edit button.

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Does Gavin stop short of giving a mainstream media interview where he outs himself because he wants to retain his privacy or he wants to retain the possibility of better paychecks in his very promising future. Nothing wrong with either reason. I just objected to hearing that he is out.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:38 PM

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:48pm

I do apologize for the mentally challenged comment, I have no way of knowing if you are or not. But I stand by the ass comment.

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:53pm

Object all you want; it's a technicality of a definition.

Posted: 7/21/05 at 2:53pm

Don't! I am an ass and mentally challenged. Don't be a wimp and stand by your statements. You are turning into an ugly stereotype right before our screens.

edit:

no it's not a technicality. It's a fact. Show me a piece of mainstream media press where he discusses his male partner or his preference for male partners. You can dress it up all you want, luv, but TECHNICALLY you are wrong.
Updated On: 7/21/05 at 02:53 PM

[jazzyshinyfeet]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:33pm

Wow. This really took an interesting turn. Thank you all for your insight. I thought when I posted this someone would have answered back, Gavin is Single, Raul and Cheyanne are not.
I never realized it would go into the gay/straight?in?out?.
But that's what is so fun about the Boards. You never know where they will go.
Thanks

[WonderBoy]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:38pm

Oh, who cares! Let's just stay here locked up for another half an hour. The police are on their way and there are two dead bodies in the study!

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:40pm

Keep talking at me, Chita. It's very becoming. If he'll talk about it at a performance, that's not hidden.

I must be "wrong" because I'm straight.

Typical turn of events, jazzy.

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 03:40 PM

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:41pm

Huh?

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:42pm

Oh, I'm sorry! Did I put words in your mouth?
Gosh, silly me!

Updated On: 7/21/05 at 03:42 PM

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 7/21/05 at 3:43pm

I hate when people put words in my mouth, especially since my mouth is usually full of something else.

Posted: 7/21/05 at 4:00pm

Yes . I can imagine. Living with two men.

[eslgr8]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:32am

I started quite an argument, didn't I? I hadn't visited the thread since my original posting. I must say that I agree with you, Chita, 100%. I know that I will raise baddadnpa's hackles if I say that his comments indicate to me some unresolved discomfort with his sexuality, and I'm sure he will deny any such thing, vehemently I would guess. On the other hand, Chita, you have expressed yourself eloquently, and your postings show that you have given the matter a great deal of intelligent thought. I salute you for having made your points so perfectly that I have nothing to add but my thanks.

[eslgr8]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:50am

Judging from these pictures taken on Rosie's Gay Cruise, it does seem that Gavin (shown with partner Robbie Roth) WANTS to come out. On the other hand, look at this warning on his website message board: "This is a message board to discuss Gavin Creel and his current projects. No threads will be allowed about his personal life. Let's stick with his career. Thanks for posting!" This is precisely the stipulation of a performer who doesn't want to say that he's gay. It makes me feel sad for him, because he seems to want to have it both ways.





Updated On: 7/22/05 at 03:50 AM

[luvtheEmcee]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 10:23am

I hate this. And maybe I'm being courageous in bringing this thread back.

But who are you to say that you know what Gavin "wants" and to say it with such confidence? That's just pretentious. Not your job to psychoanalyze. And why is it so wrong that people ask discussion on a site like that to remain about his work? What happened to privacy and respect? I respect and applaud your pride, but it seems like it's blinding you to the fact that what we see about these actors should be about their work, if that's the way they would like it to be. It's more than likely that the webmaster or person who posted that request did it out of respect to the actor, not necessarily because he asked it to be that way; that's common courtesy. Don't you have any perception of how messy PUBLIC discussion of an attractive, popular actor's personal life can get? Accusations? Rumours? Things that could be hurtful? Not even so much because who he's dating is information that he might not want circulated (as a hypothetical, I surely don't know what he wants), but just because people can be so damned tasteless in their commenting - and I'm not even talking about just the gay/straight question - I mean personal affairs in general. It's a sticky, sticky subject, especially when it's being discussed on something so widely accessible as the internet. Work is not about sexual orientation. It's not about personality. This also seems to be blinding you to the fact that you can't make such sweeping judgements and impose the way you feel on others, and expect everyone to do as you do. It's narrow-minded, unfair and perhaps even slightly deluded.

Live and let live - these people aren't objects.

We might as well all talk to walls. This certainly isn't something on which the two sides will see eye-to-eye, no matter how many times it comes up, and no matter how many times a certain actor gets pulled into the discussion, at least tangentially. That's the kicker that causes me to jump, and it had to be said, even if at this point at the risk of redundancy.

Oh. And condescension = eloquence? HA! Give me an effing break. That's the most twisted thing I've heard all week.

Updated On: 7/22/05 at 10:23 AM

[TheOneAndOnly]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 10:29am

AFAIK, Robbie Roth is Gavin's WRITING partner. At Gavin's "Prom King" back in March, it seemed very clear that they were great friends, writing partners, and nothing more..

Nothing from those pictures, or by appearing on Rosie's cruise makes anyone gay or straight. Goodness get over it already.

[WickedGeek28]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 10:41am

It just comes down to one idea, "Who cares?" Does it amtter if he's gay, out, bi, no. He's a good performer and that is what we should be discussing.

[willact4food]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 1:41pm

Alright, I have got to comment on this. After reading all the posts, here is what I have to say:

It's not about everyone knowing you are gay, it's about making an awareness. I live in Texas, and I only wish there was more gay awareness down here. People are so close minded and set in old ways that they totally shun gay people because they think we live some awful lifestyle full of diseases and such. By these performers being out as much as they are, maybe it just speaks to one person. And if that's what it takes to get more people accepting of the gay culture, then so be it. People don't have a problem with straight people, they have a problem with gay people. Cheyenne is doing his part by talking about it in interviews and other things like that...baddadnpa, I don't mean any disrepect towards you, but why not talk about it? Until this world is fully okay with gay people, we have to keep talking about it until everyone is accepting.

Sorry, I just had to put in my thoughts.

Love,
Brandon

[eslgr8]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:39pm

Brandon, you are so right! A number of people who are part of this thread (either as posters or as names mentioned in the post) just don't "get" it. A celebrity who is comfortable being gay only in certain situations or among certain people still has issues with his orientation. Regardless of how they try to explain it away, it comes down to one thing: Fear. Fear of losing fans, fear of losing roles, fear of rejection. Any other explanations (privacy, it's only about the work, etc.) are smoke screens. How many straight celebrities hide their orientation? Pretty much none. How many gay celebrities do? Pretty much most. So when a celebrity comes out, he does the entire community a service, especially as it relates to people in Texas or Oklahoma or even "red" parts of my state, California. He raises awareness, breaks stereotypes, and forces fans to examine their prejudices. Very few out celebrities express regret at their coming out. In contrast, every celebrity who invents excuses for not saying the simple words, "I'm gay," does our community a disservice by allowing people to continue with their cluelessness, stereotypes, and prejudices. For every teenager inspired by a Cheyenne Jackson or Rufus Wainwright or Anthony Rapp, there are countless others searching for role models, only to find that almost every one of their favorite actors or recording artists is, or appears to be, straight. The gay community is asking for marriage rights. Gay people are asking for the right to to serve in the military. We cannot be invisible if we want these rights. Openly gay celebrities help our causes and help our youth and help our brothers and sisters tremendously. And the closeted or merely quietly gay ones do nothing, and in doing nothing play into the hands of those who would silence us or even worse. Bravo to those who've come out, and to the others: Be inspired by the courage of your openly gay colleagues and don't let your fears win out.

[CurtainPullDowner]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:08pm

I say come out when u are good and ready and do it for yourself, no one else.
Baddadnpa, u live with 2 men!?
Now that's interesting, and thanks for the help.
Does Raul have a wife and a BF, I'm confused.

[BroadwayBaby6]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:09pm

Gavin went on the Rosie O'Donnel produce gay Family cruise with his partner and they have been featured in coverage of that cruise.

As for Raul...has anybody seen his wife? I can think of one Broadway star who was married to a fag hag and was basically screwing boys left and right....

[freeadmission]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:18pm

I, for one, would be much happier if more ga.y people acted like Gavin (if he is, which seems to be a matter of contention). Live your life. Why should he have to make a statment as if he were some dignitary or something? THAT is what annoys me as a straight person. It drives me mad when people shove their ga.yness down people's throats. If you want it to be normal, ACT like it's normal and don't make such a hoopla over it. It's just annoying and makes me dislike the "ga.y community" just a little bit (and then a little bit more) every time some actor is like, "WOOOOOOOO!! Hom.ose.xuality!!!" Wouldn't YOU be annoyed if I, and a bunch of my straight friends, marched down the street proclaiming our straightness? Ugh.

(I apologize for the odd punctuation...there's a mind-of-it's-own and irremovable filter on my computer.)