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Great Shows...Terrible Scores or Shows That Should NEVER Be Revived!

Celebrating my 40th year working in  many Broadway houses through the years and YES I've seen a lot of shows...but not all of them were as good as some of you heard.     Here is my list of great shows with terrible scores and visa versa...In my opinion, of course.

"Smile"   For its time, it was a really good show, but the songs (except for Disneyland) sucked.

"Uptown...Its Hot!"    Maurice Hines' vehicle that sucked, but songs were great.

"Ain't Broadway Grand"    Lousy Show....Great Songs

"Legs Diamond" ..Really good show....Songs were dreadful

"Grind"     Eh ...ok show......good tunes

"Carrie"   I thought this show ...for its time...was surprisingly good.    The songs were frightening.

 By the way...Carrie OBC  was sold out everynight when I worked at the Virginia Theatre back then... to this day, we are still puzzled at its early closing.

 

Please share your stories and opinions. 

 

 

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And that was Gregory Hines in Christmas Is Comin' Uptown, not Maurice.


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Malinda, you must be an incredible optimist.

I did not see Carrie; otherwise, I think every one of those shows sucked HORRIBLY, and none of them had a good song, let alone score.  At least, Comin' Uptown, which you did NOT mention but someone else did, was professionally done, if ill conceived.  I actually wonder whether any Christmas themed show can succeed.  Who wants to see a show about Christmas in February (or March or April...)?  A Christmas number in a show that is otherwise not about Christmas is a different thing.

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Jarethen. I did NOT mention Comin' Uptown because I did not see that show. However...I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think Comin'Uptown was an updated Scrooge like musical if my memory serves me correctly. Anyway it probably sucked.

Can you share some of your great shows... Terrible scores with me.
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Fiorello. I'm not questioning the... quality of the show or its score, but I just dont see it having any kind of successful run (even if only a limited engagement) on Broadway nowadays, and the more time passes, the more dated the show gets and fewer and fewer people will know who he was, or even be interested in seeing a musical about him. I can see it having successful concerts, though, as it has had.
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Malinda5000 said: "No...my dear. Maurice Hines starred in Uptown...Its hot! In December/January 1985-1986 at the Lunt-Fontanne Theatre. I worked the Lunt since 1977 until 1995."

Then your memory is fading, honey. IBDB, Playbill Vault, the NY Times, Getty Photos, eBay, and most other sources not only agree that Gregory Hines was the star, but that the show ran for 19 previews and 45 performances from December 1979 to January 1980.


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#12

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...and now I realize I was confused. It was Maurice Hines in Uptown... It's Hot! (totally different show), which did run in roughly the timeframe you said (though IBDB suggests it was January/February of '86). Mea culpa, though I guess the moral of the story is a Hines Brother in a show with Uptown in the title did not a hit make.


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#13

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I directed a regional staging of SMILE a few years back, and it was taken to exceptionally well by audiences and critics. The licensed version through Samuel French most certainly has some gems in there -- aside from "Disneyland".

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I love the scores to Legs Diamond and (most of) Carrie.  I get why some hate Carrie, especially in its original Broadway form, for its 80s pop stylings and hackneyed lyrics (Out for Blood is the only number I hate), but I think Legs Diamond has a really fun and solid score.  I was singing along with it only a couple of weeks ago.

I think Spring Awakening has some strong music, but I absolutely hate the book and lyrics.

Brooklyn is a show I hope will remain dead.  One of the most irritating scores I've ever heard.

What's with all the patronizing "honey" and "dear" and "darling" going on these days in several threads?  Why does anyone intentionally wish to sound like an insufferable douchebag?  It's really gross.  Do they actually feel superior when they say it?  Or worthy of respect?  I don't get it.


"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
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Mister Matt said: "Brooklyn is a show I hope will remain dead. One of the most irritating scores I've ever heard."

 

Literally the only reason I would hope for a revival is so that all the people I tell it was the worst show I've ever seen on Broadway have the opportunity to experience it for themselves. I had to leave the theater because I couldn't stop laughing inappropriately. Church giggles are the worst...but still not as bad as the show itself.

 

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My dear... You don't have to be rude. You may be referring to "Comin' Uptown" a musical Starring the late Gregory Hines...if so...then you are correct. However...if you would type in the title of a musical called "Uptown... It's Hot". You'll see that Gregory's brother Maurice Hines starred in this short-lived show in early 1986. I worked the Lunt when this was playing. So before you try and memory shame, knows your facts.
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Malinda5000 said: "Applause

Woman Of The Year

Victor/Victoria

No Revivals Please!!!
"

I have to say that IMO none of the above were great musicals, but I agree with you re the scores.  Woman of the Year in particular must represent the absolute bottom for Kander and Ebb;.  To me, Applause was an entertaining musical buoyed by Lauren Bacall's charisma.  Woman and V/V were slogs, although V/V was occasionally entertaining.

Re your earlier request, I am trying to remember shows that I have loved, but for which I never purchased the cast recording.  Then I thought of several which I did purchase, and listened to about once.

-- Grand Hotel -- its success was due to Tommy Tune's direction / choreography / design concept.  The score is almost impossible to get through.

-- Damn Yankees -- I don't know if this is a great show -- I have always thought it was cute and periodically boring -- but it was a huge hit in its original run, and still gets revived.  Has a few good songs, but most are far inferior to the authors' score for The Pajama Game.

-- Me and My Girl -- I saw it three times when it ran in the early 80s and loved it every time; because of Robert Lindsay, a terrific production design, a very enjoyable (and funny) book, brilliant direction by Mike Ockrent, and terrific choreography.  The score was very weak IMO.  Even Lambeth Walk, which was a thoroughly delightful, crowd pleasing show-stopper, is not much of a song.  The melody is incredibly catchy, but just repeats the same theme over and over again.  

-- Book of Mormon -- IMO, and this is probably controversial, the score is cute and is not the reason the show is such a hit.  The book (and its sheer audacity, sweetness, cleverness), the direction, the set design, the cast choices (I have seen it multiple times and have thought that every cast I saw was as good as the opening night cast) are the reason it has become a monster hit.  It is NOT a bad score, it is just to me the weakest link in an incredibly strong fence.

-- Annie -- Despite Tomorrow, Easy Street, and Its a Hard Knock Life, I think the Annie score is second tier.  The first time I saw Annie, I didn't even like it; I eventually concluded that it was due to my disappointment that the score wasn't up to the rest of the show.  I know this is a big IMO, but there is an awful lot of filler.

-- Big River -- I will state up front that I did not like Big River; in a very bad year, it won the Tony for Best Score.  I bought the cast recording and had to listen to it 3 or 4 timers just to get through one full playing.  I tried other times as well, and decided that the score was the worst part of the show.  Of course, any show whose highlight is the scenery is an issue.

-- They're Playing Our Song -- cute show that was the big hit of its season.  The score was not the reason why.  I bought the cast recording and listened to it a few times; concluded what I thought when I saw it, that the score was the letdown.  Also possible that opening the same time as Sweeney Todd didn't help in assessing this score.  Bubble gum...after the sugar has gone.

-- Billy Elliott -- Again, probably not a view shared on this site, but a very entertaining show, whose main strength was its direction IMO.  Particularly in the first third of the show, every song (I may be forgetting one that snuck in) fit my definition of filler.  There were a few good songs (or at least moving songs, as directed), the most impressive being Solidarity (or whatever its title was).  In one number, the music was incredibly beautiful and (along with gorgeous choreography) lifted the entire show; but that music was not original...it was from Swan Lake.  I have always assumed that the score was the reason the show was not a bigger hit than it was (had the show been selling better, the fact of a high nut due to all the kids in the cast wouldn't have mattered.

-- Grease -- I did not like Grease it its original production; the main reason was the score.  If there was a r very good song in the show, I don't remember it right now.  The movie added virtually every song that immediately makes you think of Grease when you hear it: Summer Nights, Hopelessly Devoted to You, Grease, You're the One That I Want were all added in the movie.  Once you get past the enjoyable 'Greased Lightning' and 'Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee', not exactly great songs themselves, you are left with a lousy score for a show that ran 8 or 9 years.

-- The Best Little Whorehouse.  The song it is most famous for was added for the movie.  The score was the weakest link in a show that had a good book and great direction / choreography by Tommy Tune.  Try listening to the cast recording and see if you don't agree with me.

These are the ones I think of.  Someone might say '1776' but I think the score was excellent; 

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I love the fact that you have a rich background in the theatre. I too saw "Me and My Girl" it was the first show I saw at the new Marriott theatre back then. I thought Big River sucked to high heaven both score and book but better that show winning Best Musical than that awful Song and Dance.

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I remember that show playing at the Music Box a few years back. It dealt with mental health issues I think. I may work nowadays because Dear Evan Hansen deals with mental health too....right? I did not see In My Life...or DEH. But I did see a show called Is There Life After Highschool back in the day. Talk about dreadful. That show dealt with mental health as well.
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Malinda5000 said: "I love the fact that you have a rich background in the theatre. I too saw "Me and My Girl" it was the first show I saw at the new Marriott theatre back then. I thought Big River sucked to high heaven both score and book but better that show winning Best Musical than that awful Song and Dance.

there are a number of people frequently on this board who have a lot more knowledge / viewing experience that I do.  I participate as a 50 year audience member who saw a lot of shows; there are others who are / have been actively involved in the theatre for just as long, and have seen 'everything'.

Re Song and Dance, I have to tell you that the original London production was an A+.  I traveled to London on business when it was appearing at the theatre that eventually played Les Mis for its first 20 or so years...cant remember the name, but it was a BIG theatre with a big stage.  I loved it so much that I saw it four times in three trips.  Then the Broadway show opened.

Everything about the show was far inferior to the London production, beginning with the size of the stage.  The London stage was much larger and could handle the incredibly athletic choreography; I assume the choreography for Broadway was new; whether it was or not, it was a real disappointment.  The Broadway production reminded me of something that had the life sucked out of it.

Even the 'Song' score, which I loved in London, didn't seem as good; I assumed at the time, it was because the orchestra was not as big and as present (the orchestra was on stage in London) and that the orchestrations were neutered.  I also did not feel that Bernadette Peters was as good as MartiWebb in London, but part of that was due too the 'homogenization' of the Broadway production.

 

 

Updated On: 12/19/17 at 07:31 PM

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Wow, Jarethan, you certainly dumped on a number of successful, if not landmark shows. I agree with some of your opinions, and yes, expert staging can conceal a multitude of flaws. But only a couple of your shows have what I would call a "terrible" score. Not all scores are West Side Story or Guys and Dolls or Carousel. Hell, even Chorus LIne's score, when removed from its brilliant musical staging, is barely above average.

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